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Science is the basis of public schooling
Anchorage Daily News ^ | 10-14-05 | Stephen Haycox

Posted on 10/14/2005 10:28:52 AM PDT by akdonn

It's odd there should be so much "science abuse" in popular discourse today, attacks based on the proposition that science might be wrong and should be "debated" with faith.

Science is the basis of our public education system; everything we teach in school is based on science, not on faith. The U.S. Constitution prohibits teaching based on faith, for the very good reason that in a democracy there's no way to choose which faith the education might be based on.

Rejecting what de Tocqueville called the "tyranny of the majority," i.e., majority rule, against which the Bill of Rights is our chief protection, science is the only possible basis for education, for it is neutral.

Science abuse abounds. Evolution and global warming are the two most prevalent examples, but there are many more, including stem cell research, relativity and even plate tectonics. The call for "debate" on these basic explanations of reality manifests a confusion regarding the nature of science and faith.

Faith is a phenomenon understood as truth based on the word of another. In the case of religion, the "other" is sacred scripture. Science, on the other hand, is phenomena understood as truth based on measured observation and rational analysis of the results. Science is empirical; faith is spiritual.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Philosophy; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevolist; evolution; homophones; intellegentdesign; moose; publicschools; science; scienceeducation
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Oh no, not another University Professor explaining the obvious...
1 posted on 10/14/2005 10:28:55 AM PDT by akdonn
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To: akdonn

I don't know why this is so hard...

Science is the study of WHAT IS.

Religion, Philosophy, etc., is the study of WHY IT IS.

It not that difficult.


2 posted on 10/14/2005 10:32:30 AM PDT by oldleft
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To: akdonn
"Rejecting what de Tocqueville called the "tyranny of the majority," i.e., majority rule, against which the Bill of Rights is our chief protection"

Remind the folks losing their homes in New England about their protection under the "Bill of Rights." Majority rule is still in effect with SCOTUS taking our rights away at a whim.

3 posted on 10/14/2005 10:35:19 AM PDT by ConservativeBamaFan
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To: oldleft

I have numerous rare textbooks dating back to 1790 and they give credit to God as chief scientist.


4 posted on 10/14/2005 10:35:54 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: oldleft

No kidding. I don't even see this as a subject worthy of a political forum...


5 posted on 10/14/2005 10:37:32 AM PDT by akdonn
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To: Sacajaweau

There's even a religion based on Christ, the scientist.


6 posted on 10/14/2005 10:39:24 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: akdonn
No kidding. I don't even see this as a subject worthy of a political forum...

And yet, you posted it.
7 posted on 10/14/2005 10:40:17 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: Sacajaweau

Hey, the big G *was* chief scientist in the 1790; they had to believe something...


8 posted on 10/14/2005 10:40:46 AM PDT by akdonn
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To: akdonn
This article and all others like them are the product of gross ignorance or willful disinformation. I don't know of many people who want to debate "faith" verses "science". What has to be looked at is the "faith" of evolutionary theory. The hard science of the last 15 years has crushed evolution as a viable theory. If we are going to promote real science and not blindly follow a faith then this has to be rationally investigated and debated.

In my view both evolutionists and young earth proponents try to force science to fit their belief system. I feel that the evidence of ID is clear and compelling to anyone with a decent science background who will honestly look at the facts in light of recent discoveries in biology and astrophysics - among many other "hard" science fields.

9 posted on 10/14/2005 10:43:03 AM PDT by bluetone006 (Peace - or I guess war if given no other option)
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To: akdonn

"The U.S. Constitution prohibits teaching based on faith..."

Where is does it say that? Is it in the same Article that authorizes the creation of Dept of Ed?

Oh well, I guess I have an abridged version of the Constitution.


10 posted on 10/14/2005 10:43:45 AM PDT by IchBinEinBerliner
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To: akdonn

Science is *not* the basis of public schooling.

All curriculums are based on a philosophy of education.

Perhaps this man's misunderstanding is a reason "public schools" are in such trouble?


11 posted on 10/14/2005 10:44:26 AM PDT by Theo
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To: ConservativeBamaFan

"Remind the folks losing their homes in New England about their protection under the "Bill of Rights." Majority rule is still in effect with SCOTUS taking our rights away at a whim."

Ok...so that means evolution should take a back seat to faith? Or, was that a red herring?


12 posted on 10/14/2005 10:44:35 AM PDT by akdonn
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To: akdonn
Science, on the other hand, is phenomena understood as truth based on measured observation and rational analysis of the results.

I'm on the side of science, but I have to disagree. It's semantics, but "truth" has no place in science. We do not say we have "the truth" as religions do. We can only say "This is how things work, to the best of our knowledge, using a proven process."

13 posted on 10/14/2005 10:46:07 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: oldleft
1. The two viewpoints espoused by the author are not mutually exclusive!

2. Quoting de Tocqueville is dangerous. He marveled at the faith of Christians in America and felt that American's faith was the secret of their strength and success!
14 posted on 10/14/2005 10:46:35 AM PDT by elephantlips
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To: JamesP81
>No kidding. I don't even see this as a subject worthy of a political forum...
>>And yet, you posted it.

Hey, there has to be
something to fill the spaces
between Natalee

threads, immigration
threads, Harriet Miers threads
gay agenda threads,

euthanasia threads
and Bush-is-a-RINO threads.
Creation does fit . . .

15 posted on 10/14/2005 10:49:10 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: bluetone006

"This article and all others like them are the product of gross ignorance or willful disinformation."

Oh my! Since *you* feel that way it must be absolutely, undeniably, true. Every scientist in the wide range of sciences over many years must ALL be wrong.

YOU! OUT OF THE GENE POOL!


16 posted on 10/14/2005 10:50:53 AM PDT by akdonn
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To: akdonn
Science is the basis of our public education system; everything we teach in school is based on science, not on faith. The U.S. Constitution prohibits teaching based on faith (in government-owned schools).

Hence, the REAL reason Public Schools were created in the first place.
17 posted on 10/14/2005 10:52:56 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (11, 175, 77, 93 - In Memory Always)
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To: akdonn
It struck me that the Bill of Rights was meant to be protection, yet it is constantly ignored by the majority on SCOTUS.

Just mention Intelligent Design and you're branded a backwards, Bible thumping, toothless, blind fool who wants to throw away "separation of church and state" and plunge the populace into willful ignorance.

18 posted on 10/14/2005 10:56:15 AM PDT by ConservativeBamaFan
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To: Theo

Quite right! The basis of public schooling is READING and parenthetically writing. Literacy opens everything else up. Math is the second necessity. Yet we continue to degrade and ignore the two/three most important functions of schooling and emphasize the extraneous. Science? Please. Does the study of science really begin at the beginning--with the unanswerable, the nondemonstrable? Hardly. That's like starting the study of math with vectors.


19 posted on 10/14/2005 10:56:50 AM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: Kerretarded
The U.S. Constitution prohibits teaching based on faith.

Where?

20 posted on 10/14/2005 10:57:46 AM PDT by DesertSapper (I Love God, Family, Country! (and dead terrorists))
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