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Life or Death Flu
Town Hall ^ | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 10/14/2005 11:25:03 AM PDT by JoeBob

Edited on 10/18/2005 8:32:53 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON -- While official Washington has been poring over Harriet Miers' long-ago doings on the Dallas City Council and parsing the Byzantine comings and goings of the Fitzgerald grand jury, relatively unnoticed was perhaps the most momentous event of our lifetime -- what is left of it, as I shall explain. It was announced last week that American scientists have just created a living, killing copy of the 1918 ``Spanish'' flu.


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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: flu; influenza; krauthammer; outbreak; pandemic; publichealth; spanishflu
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The mad scientists are at it again. Lord, save us from the Dr. Strangegloves!
1 posted on 10/14/2005 11:25:04 AM PDT by JoeBob
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To: JoeBob

According to a Freeper who posted the other day, bird flu is more deadly than other forms because bird body temperatures are normally much higher than mammals'. So if you need a temperature of maybe 106 to kill normal flu virus, bird flu virus will continue to thrive at that temperature.

If there is even a small chance of these scenarios taking place, then Krauthammer is quite right to worry. We have no idea where the Spanish flu came from, or why it vanished as suddenly as it came. Next time, it might not vanish, but continue mutating into new forms as ordinary flu does.


2 posted on 10/14/2005 11:33:21 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: JoeBob

Viruses can't tell who's Muslim and who's not.


3 posted on 10/14/2005 11:34:55 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: JoeBob; RightWingAtheist; Physicist

Sounds similar to the book, "The Satan Bug".


4 posted on 10/14/2005 11:35:28 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: JoeBob
``the agent of the most important disease pandemic in human history.''

Hyperbole. Bubonic Plague had a huge impact on history. But Spanish Flu in 1918, although it killed many people, had negligible impact.

5 posted on 10/14/2005 11:39:38 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Cicero
If the *civilized* nations of the world cannot control the proliferation of nuclear weapons how could we hope to control the suicidal muslims who are bent on destroying us?

I think we all have very good reason to worry that the mullahs with their unlimited financial resources from oil will try to get their hands on this stuff to rid the world of the *infidels*.

Semper Paratus is correct that a virus doesn't discriminate but the muslims don't care.

6 posted on 10/14/2005 11:43:34 AM PDT by JoeBob (If you live like sheep the wolves will eat you.)
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To: JoeBob

Our species has a death wish.


7 posted on 10/14/2005 11:44:01 AM PDT by tomahawk
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To: hummingbird; dd5339; teawithmisswilliams; DrGunsforHands; Judith Anne; 2ndreconmarine; ...

Ping!


8 posted on 10/14/2005 11:45:18 AM PDT by EBH (Never give-up, Never give-in, and Never Forget)
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To: tomahawk

Not this Species! I want to live forever just to be able to bug the Dim bulbs. :)


9 posted on 10/14/2005 11:46:13 AM PDT by JoeBob (If you live like sheep the wolves will eat you.)
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To: JoeBob
Time to produce a vaccine for the 1918 flu and inoculate everyone, or at least everyone in this country.

Now that we have the virus, the vaccine is no more difficult to develop than any other flu vaccine.

So9

10 posted on 10/14/2005 11:55:34 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: JoeBob
The mad scientists are at it again.

At what? Saving your ass again? That's right.

Pandemics happen. They always have. But now we can fight back. We can grow these viruses, we can take them apart, we can figure out how they work, we can learn how to defeat them.

Vaccines have saved hundreds of millions of lives over the last century. But we can't have those unless scientists are permitted to study the viruses, and yes, that means growing them in the lab. Especially the most dangerous ones.

People who want the benefits of science, while heaping scorn upon scientists and their methods, remind me of the people who want the benefits of freedom, while heaping scorn upon our military.

11 posted on 10/14/2005 11:56:14 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Servant of the 9

Seems sensible.

Any professionals out there to comment?


12 posted on 10/14/2005 11:59:46 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Physicist
I recommend, "The Great Influenza: The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague In History," by John M. Barry...a relatively new book about the 1918 pandemic.

This kind of flu boils down to this...your lungs fill with blood and you drown.

13 posted on 10/14/2005 12:01:20 PM PDT by paulat
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To: JoeBob
This is big. Very big.

Between the threats of Moslem nukes, ordinary large earthquakes and killer asteroids, this one is still five mutations away from being interesting.

14 posted on 10/14/2005 12:03:40 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: paulat
Book excerpt and excellent reviews at amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007XWMZQ/qid=1129316306/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9961854-0948814?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

15 posted on 10/14/2005 12:03:56 PM PDT by paulat
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To: JoeBob
Semper Paratus is correct that a virus doesn't discriminate but the muslims don't care.

But vaccines--or rather their administrators--can. Do you expect the vaccines to come from the U.S., or from the Islamic world?

Beyond that, our society is much better equipped to quell outbreaks, stabilize victims, and prevent the transmission of disease than a poor society, even in the complete absence of a vaccine. The next pandemic (and it is coming) will not hit all societies equally.

16 posted on 10/14/2005 12:04:09 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: JoeBob

Bump for later read.


17 posted on 10/14/2005 12:09:59 PM PDT by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: JoeBob
Questions: 1. Why recreate this virus? 2. Why publicize the fact that we have recreated this virus?
19 posted on 10/14/2005 12:16:10 PM PDT by manwiththehands
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To: Judith Anne; Dog Gone; Mother Abigail

FYI - I know there are other knowledgeable freepers who post on the Avian flu threads but can't remember all the names.

If any of you comment on the article or comments, please ping me. I always value your opinion, when I can understand it...


20 posted on 10/14/2005 12:19:58 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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