Posted on 10/14/2005 12:38:54 PM PDT by Theodore R.
Phyllis is kind of late getting on the Grumble Train. This sounds really tired.
Any stats on the chances of seeing the light (becoming a conservative) and deciding to go back to the darkness (liberalism)? I think that once you "embrace" conservatism, it's harder to go back to being a lefty than vice versa.
'won't really know much of anything for a couple of years at leas"
Yeah, another persuasive argument for her nomination.
You beat me to it!
You missed my point. I said more hearts and minds needed to be changed first. And no, I don't think voters are ready at 'any point in time' to vote on any issue. That's not elitist, that's common sense.
The anti's might be right.. considering the representatives they(GOP) elect.. Most ARE RINOs.. Very few elected republican representatives are for tearing the federal government down to its roots.. <<- a republican.. all else are RINOs..
I would wildly speculate that %40 or more of the GOP is RINO. But what choice have the voters had?
It is not an argument at all merely the statement of a fact. And that fact applies to ALL appointees including Clarence Thomas who was attacked in the same way as Mier which the same arguments that he "could not be the best candidate" blah, blah, blah.
You haven't the acumen to discern anothers argument. You can't even make your own.
Your comments make no sense. VOTERS elect people not the GOP. And if the majority of the party are "rinos" then there is no such thing as "rinos"
Only lunatics are for "tearing the federal government down to its roots" as if that nonsense had any meaning anyway.
Not like they even know what those roots are anyway or understand the Constitution which was set up to create that government.
Was Thomas questioned (attacked??) about aff. action or something? I cannot recall.
You said that somehow it is "not time" to overturn Roe (shorthand expression there, I think you know what I mean). How can it possibly be preincipled to decide overturning as a matter of timing? Dred Scott - "Oh the people aren't ready to overturn that, yet."
Do you really think "timing" is a relevant criteria for reaching conclusion on Constitutional matters? And don't go all sophist on me and get into there has to be a case and all that. I know that. But if a case came, shoudl the court say, "Well, Roe was incorrectly decided, but it's just not time, yet, to correct the error."
And as for the effect of Roe (shorthand again), you object to returning the issue to the people "just now, because ... [ you insert reason here. I am not going to put words in your mouth on this reason ]".
I say the people are already capable of being in charge of their own affairs, and I think it is elitist to say that the people need to have their options in this regard held in check by 9 men in black.
Your way might reflect some "common sense," but whatever "common" it is, I reject it.
I take the approach of the dissent in Planned Parenthood. ROe and Planned Parenthood are badly decided law. They were at the time, they are now, and they should be overturned at the earliest possible opportunity. Just on legal grounds, and restoring debate and control of the issue to the people.
My post was not to you so you could have saved your self the trouble of responding.
Like I said....I didn't feel like it, so lets move on
Calling a statement of fact an argument indicates you have no knowledge of logic. We can add that to the other areas of which you seem to have no knowledge: history, politics.
If you want to read what a conservative pundit who is for the Miers nomination is saying, I would recommend Hugh.
Well, I wasn't as sure at first either. The day of Roberts' swearing in at the Supreme Court, her name was announced. I didn't even know who she was! But I also hadn't had a dog in the fight. Remember when it was clear Roberts would be confirmed and everyone was looking forward to the next pick? A bunch of people here were campaigning for this or that person! No doubt they all were well qualified (I'd probably look like an idiot in their presence.:), but this was the president's pick to make. I don't think he meant to offend anyone on the right, especially considering the relatively poor quality of some rebuttals from them ("Sexism"? That charge was blown out of the water by the myriad of people who were hoping for either Owen or Brown to be nominated). If Bush would have forseen the outcry, I doubt he would have named Miers.
Just my $.02.
There was great outrage that such a young man was nominated with so little experience etc. same as Miers. Even most conservatives had the same beliefs.
He was defended by Sanford, Hatch, Simpson and Spector in the Senate when the RATs attacked.
Just because RINOs (moderates) have acquired increasing power in the party leadership since the 70's doesn't mean they don't exist. From your ignorant statement, I take it that you are not a strong conservative.
"Calling a statement of fact an argument indicates you have no knowledge of logic. We can add that to the other areas of which you seem to have no knowledge: history, politics."
Yes, even Bush supporters, I'm sure are bowled over by your weighty argumentation and refutation. Please, I beg all of you to pay attention to the aptly named "justshutupandtakeit up the shoot" and be enlightened by the circular reasoning and strawmen worthy of 6th grade debate class.
"They make up their mind in advance that Miers is the best choice, then cry about others making up their mind in advance that she is not.
They whine about the attacks on Miers, then launch attacks themselves against those who disagree.
They scream about how their voices should be heard, yet whine when other voices with opinions differing from their own are heard. " ...from Joklahoma
Indeed. Their strawmen arguments are worthy of what we expect from Liberal Democrats. They certainly want to cling to power for the sake of power...if only principle were involved.
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