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Dude. I live in Frisco. I go to all of the commie rallies. The left is lousy with people who hate America. So you say you aren't one of them? Whoopty-frickin'-doo! The very fact that you come on to this thread and spew a bunch of whiny nonsense, while ignoring the plain reality that many of your fellow lefties are evil, lying haters of America, makes me think that you, yourself, are a profoundly dishonest person. Thus, I conclude that you almost certainly hate America.

I'm genuinely curious about this: What exactly have the liberals you've witnessed done or said that makes you think they hate America? I've seen and heard lots of statements that lead me to believe they share my dislike for this government and its policies, but nothing that screams "I hate America."

Please give me some examples of mainstream liberals showing their hatred. I'm not looking for the wacko fringe (unless you want me to turn around and present Fred Phelps as a "typical conservative"), I'm looking for the real thing.

I'm genuinely curious about this: What exactly have the liberals you've witnessed done or said that makes you think they hate America?

First, you'd have to begin with defining what the USA is and for that, we can look to its roots. The Founders were primarily well-educated Christian men who firmly believed in limited government and the necessity of Judeo-Christian morality as the cornerstone. They were all considered liberal for their time, but would be considered extreme right-wing if they were alive today.

The difference between what we call Conservative and Liberal today is based primarily on those founding principles - Conservatives believe in them and liberals despise them. Let's stick to limited government, for example. The Founders wrote the Constitution as meticulously as they could to limit the power of the federal government and hold supreme the rights of the sovereign states and, most importantly, the people. Much of the social safety net that exists in this country today (Soc Sec, welfare, public housing, food stamps, etc.), which is less a true safety net than it is a set of shackles and chains, is blatantly illegal under our Constitution, yet that same set of social programs constitute the cornerstone of liberal political philosophy today: that government should intercede in and solve all men's problems, even though the true roots of American political culture forbid this explicitly.

Now, to the degree that our government, as usually motivated by conservatives, follows the original founding principles, liberals hate it. The government (and all who favor this view) is called evil, racist, sexist, oppressive, etc. when it refuses to be a nanny for many people at the expense of other people and in violation of our Constitution. To the degree that our government casts our founding principles aside and meddles in the affairs of its citizens, lashing them with heavy taxes on everything to redistribute their money into social programs that keep participants in an endless cycle of poverty, and regulating every activity men engage in, down to the very things they do in their own homes, liberals applaud the government. So, it is quite reasonable to say that the modern liberal detests American culture and political philosophy.

The most unfortunate aspect of the modern liberal is that his hatred of government in the above sense too often translates into hating all things associated with it, such as symbols like the flag, the military who defend it, others who speak in favor of it, etc. The Vietnam War was a perfect example of this. It may have been reasonable for someone to take the position that the war was wrong, but the tremendous anger into which this opposition mutated spilled over onto the men who fought it and the flag they fought under. I believe this is because the modern liberal does not take his political position asthe result of a well-though conclusion, but as an emotional state, almost a religious belief in its utter, unshakeable faith, and thus any challenge to that belief is met with fanatical fury. Marxism, for instance, is essentially a religion because, though it has never been proven to be possible and has often proven to be deadly, its adherents still carry full faith in it as if it were the Bible itself.

To sum up, liberals generally say they don't hate America, but when one lists every essentially element of American culture, values, and political heritage, liberals reveal that they hate all or most of them, and so one must conclude that liberals only like the parts of America inasfar as those parts diverge from America, which is why multi-culturism is so popular. An equivalent example would be if I went to live in Mexico and said that I love Mexico, but only the parts where they eat hamburgers and hot dogs, sing country music and speak English. The question is then, do I really love Mexico?