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Ex-Homosexual Speaker's Campus Visit Draws Hecklers, Critical Press
Agape Press ^ | 10/20/05 | Jim Brown and Jenni Parker

Posted on 10/20/2005 4:46:43 PM PDT by wagglebee

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There, he told students that although having same-sex attractions is not a choice, acting on those feelings by engaging in homosexual behavior is; but freedom from homosexuality is available through Jesus Christ.

A concept which surely baffled the pro-homosexual leftists who believe that any sexual desire should be acted upon.

1 posted on 10/20/2005 4:46:46 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: little jeremiah; DirtyHarryY2K
Homosexual agenda ping.

This is a great story that will make the pro-homosexuals really angry!

2 posted on 10/20/2005 4:49:23 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
The sad fact is that free speech is not only stone dead on many of America's Marxist controlled campuses, but "ThoughtCrime" is also punished in these Orwellian/Stalinist intellectual graveyards.


3 posted on 10/20/2005 4:59:54 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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Homosexual Agenda Ping.

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4 posted on 10/20/2005 5:08:12 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (http://soapboxharry.blogspot.com/)
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To: Nightshift

ping a ling...


5 posted on 10/20/2005 5:09:09 PM PDT by tutstar (OurFlorida.true.ws)
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To: wagglebee

Whatever happened to tolerance and respect for those with different opinions on campus?


6 posted on 10/20/2005 6:00:07 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Jeanine Pirro for Senate, Hillary Clinton for Weight Watchers Spokeswoman)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Whatever happened to tolerance and respect for those with different opinions on campus?

Evidently, you didn't get the memo:
That only applies to us being tolerant of the left's ideology.

7 posted on 10/20/2005 6:03:35 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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A concept which surely baffled the pro-homosexual leftists who believe that any sexual desire should be acted upon.

Sex Positive advocates believe that ALL sexual desires should be acted upon. It is why they oppose abstinence. It is a supression of desires (they consider that unhealthy, not unworkable).

The homosexual agenda is merely the battering ram to society's laws and morals for the larger Sex Positive agenda (which seeks to have even kids sexually active, they've already won the argument over teen sex by getting condoms in schools, now it is just a question of "when").

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Sex-positive+movement

It seeks to end all moral judgements from sex (regardless of age, relation, sex, or species of partner). As long as you have fun getting off.

8 posted on 10/20/2005 6:52:25 PM PDT by weegee (To understand the left is to rationalize how abortion can be a birthright.)
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he told students that although having same-sex attractions is not a choice,

I've noticed that a lot of people on FR will not even accept this as a fact. They argue instead that one is not homosexual unless actually engaging in gay sex.

He advises homosexuals who find themselves unable to make the conversion to heterosexuality to do what he did -- that is, to remain celibate and seek a relationship with Jesus.

In other words Rev. Wilkins believes that there is such thing as a celibate homosexual, which many here have argued against.

9 posted on 10/20/2005 7:32:06 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded

You are completely correct. Whether it is genetic or based on
the early childhood environment it is not a choice. The exception, would be those who acquire homosexual addictions while incarcerated.


10 posted on 10/20/2005 7:54:12 PM PDT by Fast Ed97
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To: Clintonfatigued

It does not exist among indulgent liberal perspectives.

All the spam I receive on one of my websites is all of the porn nature and it all involves homosexual and bestiality acts.

Any site that identifies as Christian can anticipate receiving this type of harassment on the internet, as with cryptic and perverse messages combined with outright aggressive ones with threats and ridicule.

It seems that the issue of "homosexual acts" to those who indulge and believe in them include a high degree of violence and destruction to and about themselves as with others.

About the Baptist's statements that "homosexuality" is inherent -- not something chosen but moreorless inherent to people -- I disagree as do many others.

Perhaps what the Baptist means but is not being clear about is that compulsions and obsessive-compulsive behavior isn't chosen but moreorless inherent...and that the issue of controlling OCD is a choice (to seek help in doing so).

But I commend his message. Although we cannot "choose what we are tempted by," we can choose to denounce the temptation. And recognize temptation as what it is: not of God. That significant point is not included here by the Baptist messenger.


11 posted on 10/20/2005 8:10:09 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: wagglebee

In my experience, the Left is also intolerant of their own.


12 posted on 10/20/2005 8:11:40 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: wideminded

It seems to be you and person's who insist as you do about the importance, issue of "celibacy among priests."

PRIESTLY VOWS, what it takes, so to speak, to become a member of the Priesthood, vows declared and affirmed by individuals before God, declare an acceptance and dedication to celibacy AND CHASTITY.

They are two different issues.

Celibacy to many without chastity is simply an issue of mechanical function. And, as many of us have been discussing here, celibacy to many homosexuals in their approach to and about the priesthood simply means they agree not to marry. They do not honor the vows as to chastity and continue to affirm and insist upon an identity (and for many, behaviors) as to "homosexual" and "homosexuality."

If CHASTITY is present in a person, that entire issue would not be present, either.

Celibacy AND CHASTITY. To most -- at least who I continue to read from and about -- who declare themselves as homosexuals, they continue to denigrate and completely ignore the entire issue of chastity. CHASTITY is a significant aspect to the vows for the Priesthood.


13 posted on 10/20/2005 8:16:14 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: wideminded

It seems to be you and person's who insist as you do about the importance, issue of "celibacy among priests."

PRIESTLY VOWS, what it takes, so to speak, to become a member of the Priesthood, vows declared and affirmed by individuals before God, declare an acceptance and dedication to celibacy AND CHASTITY.

They are two different issues.

Celibacy to many without chastity is simply an issue of mechanical function. And, as many of us have been discussing here, celibacy to many homosexuals in their approach to and about the priesthood simply means they agree not to marry. They do not honor the vows as to chastity and continue to affirm and insist upon an identity (and for many, behaviors) as to "homosexual" and "homosexuality."

If CHASTITY is present in a person, that entire issue would not be present, either.

Celibacy AND CHASTITY. To most -- at least who I continue to read from and about -- who declare themselves as homosexuals, they continue to denigrate and completely ignore the entire issue of chastity. CHASTITY is a significant aspect to the vows for the Priesthood.


14 posted on 10/20/2005 8:16:24 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: wideminded

It seems to be you and person's who insist as you do about the importance, issue of "celibacy among priests."

PRIESTLY VOWS, what it takes, so to speak, to become a member of the Priesthood, vows declared and affirmed by individuals before God, declare an acceptance and dedication to celibacy AND CHASTITY.

They are two different issues.

Celibacy to many without chastity is simply an issue of mechanical function. And, as many of us have been discussing here, celibacy to many homosexuals in their approach to and about the priesthood simply means they agree not to marry. They do not honor the vows as to chastity and continue to affirm and insist upon an identity (and for many, behaviors) as to "homosexual" and "homosexuality."

If CHASTITY is present in a person, that entire issue would not be present, either.

Celibacy AND CHASTITY. To most -- at least who I continue to read from and about -- who declare themselves as homosexuals, they continue to denigrate and completely ignore the entire issue of chastity. CHASTITY is a significant aspect to the vows for the Priesthood.


15 posted on 10/20/2005 8:16:48 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: wideminded

I am suggesting, also, that you include in your figuring there the very important position of the Catholic Church and that is that homosexuality represents a disorded state of reasoning. It's DISORDED in personality and thought within the Christian reference.

So, this calls into question the character of those who identify as homosexuals and with homosexuality and behaviors as to their character.

It does not mean that persons with that or any disordered state in person are turned away from the faith. It means that they are not considered qualified for the Priesthood. Or should not be, as per what Pope Benedict has said. Also as per earlier positions from the Church, although various bishops have by self determination refused to abide by the position and taken it upon themselves to affirm a defilement of the position itself, as with the Church, accordingly.


16 posted on 10/20/2005 8:21:40 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: Fast Ed97

Most adults engaged in homosexuality who later reveal their childhood, share about an exposure to or indoctrination into homosexuality at some time in their childhood.

I agree, in that environmental context, that homosexuality can become later so integrated into a personality as to be (unrealistically) believed to be "inherent" or uncontrollable.

What the Baptist here is saying is that Christ can and does liberate. Jesus Christ will and does triumph, but he isn't a rapist, an abuser and won't force His way into someone's existence. Instead, Christ is available and waits the invitation to help, to save.

That's the message, right there, that the Baptist is saying: ask Christ to save you.

Because, in this context, yes, it is a matter of choice.


17 posted on 10/20/2005 8:25:47 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: Fast Ed97

Most adults engaged in homosexuality who later reveal their childhood, share about an exposure to or indoctrination into homosexuality at some time in their childhood.

I agree, in that environmental context, that homosexuality can become later so integrated into a personality as to be (unrealistically) believed to be "inherent" or uncontrollable.

What the Baptist here is saying is that Christ can and does liberate. Jesus Christ will and does triumph, but he isn't a rapist, an abuser and won't force His way into someone's existence. Instead, Christ is available and waits the invitation to help, to save.

That's the message, right there, that the Baptist is saying: ask Christ to save you.

Because, in this context, yes, it is a matter of choice.


18 posted on 10/20/2005 8:26:07 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: Fast Ed97

Most adults engaged in homosexuality who later reveal their childhood, share about an exposure to or indoctrination into homosexuality at some time in their childhood.

I agree, in that environmental context, that homosexuality can become later so integrated into a personality as to be (unrealistically) believed to be "inherent" or uncontrollable.

What the Baptist here is saying is that Christ can and does liberate. Jesus Christ will and does triumph, but he isn't a rapist, an abuser and won't force His way into someone's existence. Instead, Christ is available and waits the invitation to help, to save.

That's the message, right there, that the Baptist is saying: ask Christ to save you.

Because, in this context, yes, it is a matter of choice.


19 posted on 10/20/2005 8:26:57 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Wow - there have been an onslaught of articles about homosexuality lately. They're really on the attack. I am glad to see the side of truth getting energetic.


20 posted on 10/20/2005 9:23:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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