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Cornell president condemns intelligent design
©2005 Syracuse.com ^ | 10/21/2005, 12:03 p.m. ET | By WILLIAM KATES

Posted on 10/21/2005 10:26:36 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

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To: narby

You wrote:
"There's no reason to think that the current edges of our scientific understanding define where the natural world ends and God begins."

You are so right. We are hundreds and hundreds of years, if ever, away from understanding God's creation.


41 posted on 10/21/2005 11:18:57 AM PDT by jjmcgo
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To: mlc9852
I just don't understand why Darwinists are so afraid of a little competition. If you were so sure of your position, you would welcome it.

"Competition" is welcome in the form of *falsifiable* hypotheses. ID does not meet this standard and is therefore not a valid scientific theory. It is not even a hypothesis.

If schools want to teach ID in comparative religion class or philosophy, that is OK with me. I draw the line at calling it science, because it is not.

A list of complaints about the modern synthesis of Darwinism is not a theory--no matter how long it is or how many people sign on to it.

42 posted on 10/21/2005 11:22:20 AM PDT by freespirited
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To: Clemenza

"Again, you are confusing the Metaphysical (God/Zeus/Allah) with the Physical (ie the existence of Dinosaurs in the past, the age of the earth, etc.)."

It appears I have to repeat this over and over again.....it appears I have to repeat this over and over again....it appears.....

ID looks at the same body of evidence as Darwinists and comes to a different conclusion....that life did not occur by chance as per Darwinism but through Intelligent Design. That's it in a nutshell. ID proposes that, given the extreme complexity of even the simplest beginnings of life the chance of it occuring by chance is about the same as a tornado going through a junkyard and forming a 747. Possible but...cmon....get real man!


43 posted on 10/21/2005 11:23:18 AM PDT by fizziwig
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To: shuckmaster

Your retrodiction is superb.


44 posted on 10/21/2005 11:29:04 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: hawkaw

I only wish that academics like Rawlings would apply similar intellectual vigor to, for example, the equally unproven theories of global warming.


45 posted on 10/21/2005 11:30:39 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: mlc9852
I think science is wonderful

I am glad to read this.

46 posted on 10/21/2005 11:31:24 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: freespirited

You can't hide God. People understand he is the creator. I think most people have no problem with adaptation, which is of course observable. But stating humans descended from apes, well, a lot of people have a problem with that. Still, I think ID will get in.


47 posted on 10/21/2005 11:31:35 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: shuckmaster

> How dumb do those ID fruitcakes think we are?

Pretty damend dumb... and they're often right. Just read this thread. You'll see lots of ignorance on display... "evolutionis a religion, the Big Bang is a myth, blah, blah, blah."


48 posted on 10/21/2005 11:36:08 AM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: mlc9852
Actually I think the scientific theories explain that we and certain present day apes decended from an ape like creature that is now extinct.

ID can get into school but only into a religious course.

49 posted on 10/21/2005 11:38:47 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: orionblamblam
If you spent more time presenting your "facts" of evolution and less time calling others names, you might have more people on your side. You all come off as very mean-spirited, which does nothing to promote your case. Time and again I see where those defending Darwin just make fun of others. Suppose you're wrong and we all have the last laugh. Making fun of others doesn't prove you are any more intelligent.
50 posted on 10/21/2005 11:39:06 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: hawkaw

I will never, ever believe humans descended from apes until I see irrefutable proof, which I don't believe exists.


51 posted on 10/21/2005 11:40:46 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Mach9
Am I missing something? When did Big Bang and pseudoDarwinism become "valid science"?

When we were able to repeat them in a laboratory.

52 posted on 10/21/2005 11:43:36 AM PDT by DrDavid (Support Global Warming: Surf the Hebrides)
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To: mlc9852
You can't hide God.

Check under your bed. Then your closet. Let us know what you find.

53 posted on 10/21/2005 11:44:13 AM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Well I guess there has been global warming and cooling over the past. I guess what you mean is that present human activities are not causing a significant increase in the temperature of the earth.

I think what I would like Rawlings to say is that experiments need to be carried out pursuant to scientific principals and based on those observations, scientific hypothises should be confirmed or thrown out.

54 posted on 10/21/2005 11:45:15 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: DrDavid

The Big Bang theory was repeated in a laboratory?


55 posted on 10/21/2005 11:45:52 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: balrog666

You imagine yourself clever, don't you?


56 posted on 10/21/2005 11:46:16 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

Again, we didn't decend from apes. We and certain present day apes decended from an ape like create that is now extinct.


57 posted on 10/21/2005 11:47:26 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: freespirited

"Competition is welcome in the form of *falsifiable* hypotheses. ID does not meet this standard and is therefore not a valid scientific theory. It is not even a hypothesis."

As I asked in #26, should we ban teaching string theory in physics for the same reason?


58 posted on 10/21/2005 11:47:37 AM PDT by unlearner
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To: Bigh4u2

I believe microwaves were used as a testible way to demonstrate the bigbang theory.


59 posted on 10/21/2005 11:49:06 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: Right Wing Professor

You mean you don't determine the worthiness of a person based on their church attendance?!?

The horror.


Please tell me I don't need a /sarc for you...


60 posted on 10/21/2005 11:50:45 AM PDT by dmz
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