Posted on 10/21/2005 6:49:57 PM PDT by cpforlife.org
Would this legislation actually overturn Roe v. Wade?
Yes, it would. Few people realize that Roe v. Wade shows us the way to its own downfall. The key passage, written by the author of the majority opinion, Justice Harry Blackmun, states in unequivocal terms: “If personhood is established, the case for legalized abortion collapses, for the fetus' right to life would be guaranteed by the 14th Amendment." (Roe v. Wade, Majority Decision, Section IX) The pro-life movement keeps trying to make believe that it can work within the framework of Roe v. Wade, gradually chipping away at abortion. At the same time, the number of victims of abortion keeps climbing and well-intentioned laws are struck down time after time by the monolith of Roe v. Wade. The Right to Life Act faces the reality that the wall of abortion is still intact. Roe v. Wade itself offers us the key to bring down abortion, that key is personhood, and the Congress has ample room under our Constitution to define it to include the unborn.
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So, there should be no laws outlawing murder, because it will not stop murderers? Try again ... and I must say it was astonishing to read your post ... how old must one be, how much must one be able to remember to find killing innocent human beings ... acceptable because it was done in the past?
BTW, "The thing that bothers me about reversing R/W is the number of dead bodies that will follow" ... is forty-million already slaughtered to be ignored?
I have heard it was less than a dozen a year. The lives of those 12 women aren't worthless - we prolifers will continue to work to help them so they don't feel killing their baby is their only choice.
Very well put.
I have copied and pasted this entire post and e-mailed it to my GOP Congressman, Kevin Brady (R-TX).
Why didn't someone do this sooner? Anyone care to take a stab at the chances of it passing both Houses?
Some people act as if treating a fetus in the first semester as nothing of value or legal standing is a new concept foisted on us by liberals. In fact, it has been a part of the legal tradition our country is based on for thousands of years. The idea of treating a fetus as an entity with legal standing is modern invention. Not a value judgment, just an observation that puts this matter into context.
Oh yeah? Well, why don't you tell us the number of Back Alley Abortions performed "back then"? I'm appalled at your comments in your post. A bill such as this might make someone consider adoption or contraceptive because they can no longer use the abortion clinic as a means of birth control.
GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!
You don't believe that legal abortions are always safe, do you? The evidence points out that "unqualified medical hacks" are in business regardless of whether abortion is legal or not... the only difference is that with legal abortion they have more business.
It is also important to point out that it was not legalizing abortion that diminished the number of abortion deaths, rather it was the widespread use of antibiotics. The number of abortion deaths had gone down significantly before Roe vs. Wade.
And, we need verifiable information to substantiate your "numbers".
Just an observation, to put your post in context: You offered, "it has been a part of the legal tradition our country is based on for thousands of years,", but that ignores the tremendous gains in medical understanding we've achieved. Do you believe there is a living human being in the womb? science confirms there is, but that won't stop those deadset on protecting a court consigned right to kill them as if they are non-humans, don'tchaknow.
Thanx for the ping, brother.
Then you have a faulty memory because it was all a lie.
How lying marketers sold Roe v. Wade to America
"Repeating the big lie often enough convinces the public. The number of women dying from illegal abortions was around 200-250 annually. The figure we constantly fed to the media was 10,000. These false figures took root in the consciousness of Americans, convincing many that we needed to crack the abortion law.
More interesting truth.
"Another myth we fed to the public through the media was that legalizing abortion would only mean that the abortions taking place illegally would then be done legally. In fact, of course, abortion is now being used as a primary method of birth control in the U.S. and the annual number of abortions has increased by 1,500 percent since legalization."
From the Alan Guttmacher Institute, the research and education wing of Planned Parenthood:
Estimates of the number of illegal abortions in the 1950s and 1960s ranged from 200,000 to 1.2 million per year. One analysis, extrapolating from data from North Carolina, concluded that an estimated 829,000 illegal or self-induced abortions occurred in 1967.
One stark indication of the prevalence of illegal abortion was the death toll. In 1930, abortion was listed as the official cause of death for almost 2,700 women—nearly one-fifth (18%) of maternal deaths recorded in that year. The death toll had declined to just under 1,700 by 1940, and to just over 300 by 1950 (most likely because of the introduction of antibiotics in the 1940s, which permitted more effective treatment of the infections that frequently developed after illegal abortion). By 1965, the number of deaths due to illegal abortion had fallen to just under 200, but illegal abortion still accounted for 17% of all deaths attributed to pregnancy and childbirth that year. And these are just the number that were officially reported; the actual number was likely much higher.
Poor women and their families were disproportionately impacted. A study of low-income women in New York City in the 1960s found that almost one in 10 (8%) had ever attempted to terminate a pregnancy by illegal abortion; almost four in 10 (38%) said that a friend, relative or acquaintance had attempted to obtain an abortion. Of the low-income women in that study who said they had had an abortion, eight in 10 (77%) said that they had attempted a self-induced procedure, with only 2% saying that a physician had been involved in any way.
These women paid a steep price for illegal procedures. In 1962 alone, nearly 1,600 women were admitted to Harlem Hospital Center in New York City for incomplete abortions, which was one abortion-related hospital admission for every 42 deliveries at that hospital that year. In 1968, the University of Southern California Los Angeles County Medical Center, another large public facility serving primarily indigent patients, admitted 701 women with septic abortions, one admission for every 14 deliveries.
You bet Marvin. How are you doing?
I'd love to see this bill passed.
Realistically, I think it will be DOA (aborted?) in the Senate.
Discovering more about my limitations every day! Et tu, brother?
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