Whose Agenda are you Parrotting When You Do NOT Support Miers?

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[Calpernia]

For those of you promoting the agenda of NOT supporting Harriet Miers, take a look at where you are siding.

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Not in Our Name project.

They are SDS/Weatherman.

From FBI Files:

Weatherman or Weather Underground Organization, is a "revolutionary organization of communist men and women" formed by members of the Students for a Democratic Society or SDS. They were originally called the Revolutionary Youth Movement. They advocated the overthrow of our government and capitalism. They carried out a campaign of bombings, jailbreaks, and riots in 1969-1976.

The group derived their name from Bob Dylan's song lyrics from "Subterranean Homesick Blues", which were, "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows", I use to see that quote at the bottom of their periodical, New Left Notes, when I use to work at a periodical distribution company.

Their first event, in 1969, was the "Days of Rage" in Chicago. They blew up a statue dedicated to police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket Riot. They announced at a convention that they supported Charles Manson. The rally failed to draw as many participants (300) as they had hoped. They did lead a riot through Chicago's business district, smashing windows and cars. 6 were shot and 70 arrested. The conflict went on for a few days.

1970, after the shooting by police of Black Panther Fred Hampton, the group issued a Declaration of War against the United States government, changing its name to the "weather underground organization", adopting fake IDs, and pursuing covert activities only. These initially included plans for a bombing of a US military noncommissioned officers' dance at Fort Dix. But when three Underground members died in an accidental explosion while preparing the bomb in a Greenwich Village, New York City safe house, other cells re-evaluated their plans and decided to pursue only non-lethal projects.

This group released a number of manifestos and declarations, while conducting a series of bombings. These attacked the U.S. Capitol, The Pentagon, police and prison buildings, and the rebuilt Haymarket statue again, among other targets. The group took measures to avoid any loss of life as a result of these bombings, issuing warnings to evacuate the building ahead of time via phone. They also took a $25,000 payment from a drugs group called The Brotherhood of Eternal Love to break LSD advocate Timothy Leary out of prison, transporting him to Algeria. They remained largely successful at avoiding the police and the FBI.

In the mid-to-late 1970s, the group began dissolving, as many members turned themselves in to the police, and others moved onto other armed revolutionary groups. Very few served prison sentences, since the evidence gathered against them, by the FBI's COINTELPRO program, was inadmissable in court, due to the illegal methods used to obtain it.

Famous members of the Weather Underground include Kathy Boudin, Mark Rudd, Terry Robbins, David Gilbert, and the still-married couple Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers.

Many former Weathermen have re-integrated into society, without necessarily repudiating their original intent. Bill Ayers, now a Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois, said in a September 11, 2001 New York Times profile "I don't regret setting bombs. I believe we didn't do enough."

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>>>>Harriet Miers' deep loyalty to George Bush could lead to her making dangerous interpretations of the Constitution.

>>>>Campaign Manager: Miers "Is On the Extreme End of the Anti-Choice Movement"

>>>Operation Rescue urged rejection of Ms. Miers' candidacy, calling her insufficiently conservative.

>>>>make this a ferocious confirmation battle in the Senate

>>>>show the conservative credentials insufficient for many on the right.

If you aren't supporting Harriet Miers, take some time to do a search of BUSHCOMMISSION.ORG. Not a site search. A search to see where info is pulled from:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22bushcommission.org%22&hl=en&lr=&filter=0

Make sure if you are not on the side of supporting Miers, it isn't information that came from SDS, Not In Our Name, MoveOn.org, of the NLG.

[GarySpFc]

Translation: don't confuse me with uncomfortable facts, opinions and arguments that might challenge my views and make me re-examine them. I'm going with absolute loyalty to one man.

Here is another post from a malcontent. For your information I have studied everything I can find regarding Miers. I contacted friends in Dallas who know the lady, and I also checked with lawyers who know her work. I am happy with her selection, thank you.

[DocH]

All you need to do is see who has supported her from DAY ONE - "Dingy" Harry Reid, the liberal demonRAT scumbag.

Even if we didn't know as much about her as we do now, THAT fact ALONE would be enough reason NOT to support her.

[governsleastgovernsbest]

Dude, when will you get it through your head that it's the President's choice.

Bro, when will you read the First Amendment, which gives Americans the right to petition the government for redress of grievances. And believe me, many of us are . . . aggrieved!?

[gondramB]

"Nor should it be government's to interfere with how a private enterprise believe it would be best to run it's business. Law theorhetically exist for the purpose of keeping individuals safe from harm and to punish wrong-doers. Violation of PC has become a made-up "crime," thereby creating criminals."


I hope you weren't expecting me to disagree....

[Cboldt]

How did Santorum vote on Ginsburg?

In 1994 Santorum was then elected to the U.S. Senate ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santorum

The Ginsburg vote was rendered on August 3, 1993.

[nicmarlo]

Of course not.

[DocH]

It seems there is good indication she is pro-life. But we have absolutely no idea how she would vote on gun rights, property rights(overturning Kelo vs. New London), affirmative action, State's rights, or any number off issues that are important to conservatives. After how hard we worked to elect Republicans in 2004, we deserve better then this.

My thoughts EXACTLY.

We deserve MUCH better than this.

[bourbon]

Correct. It is the President's choice, and I hold him fully responsible for this embarrassingly weak nomination.

[ez]

Intellectuals aren't a problem for the Court. In fact, intellectuals are a practical necessity on the Court. The problem with the Court over the past 50 years hasn't been the influence of intellectuals, but rather the influence of liberal/socialist intellectuals. The most effective replacements for these people are not political hacks but conservative intellectuals.

You have a point, I withdraw my tagline. ;7)

[fallujah-nuker]

"How did Santorum vote on Ginsburg?"

He was not in the Senate at that time, his seat was held by Harris Wofford (D) who picked up the seat opened by the death of Senator Heinz (R). I see that Senator Smith (R-NH)was one third of the votes against her. President Bush helped defeat him a decade later, that says a lot.

[Cboldt]

You mean like listing all the moderate R Senators that voted for Ginsburg?

I listed all the GOP Senators that voted for Ginsburg. It's a matter of sterile fact.

The fact that you resort to lumping it in with "tricks that amount to sophistry, or other forms of intellectual dishonesty" speaks to your ethics, not mine.

[RFEngineer]

In politics as in life, one must decide one's bedrock principles and then you make your decisions with those principles in mind.

For you to state that opposition on judicial appointments on reasonable grounds (even the most strident PRO Harriet Miers folks can't seriously believe there are NO reasonable grounds from which to oppose her) confers some heretical characteristics upon the opposer is patently absurd.

I can use your (faulty) logic to state that your blind support for GWB means you are anti-Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton - because all of these men accepted that the federal government role must be limited, and GWB has grown gov't faster than anyone.

So what do you think? Are there NO grounds for reasonable men and women to hold opposition to Harriet Miers' nomination to the supreme court?

This is, of course, is a rhetorical question, because there is only one intellectually honest answer.

[governsleastgovernsbest]

For your information I have studied everything I can find regarding Miers. I contacted friends in Dallas who know the lady, and I also checked with lawyers who know her work.

Glad to hear it, but in the post to which I responded you explained your support of Miers exclusively in terms of your trust in W. Seems that you are now agreeing that consulting others is valuable.

So why not at least consider the views of your fellow FReepers? If you didn't think they had any merit, you presumably wouldn't have joined FR in the first place.

[fallujah-nuker]

"I likewise have trusted Bush on his choice of judges..."

I trust him about as much as I trust Vladimir Putin, in other words not very much.

[ez]

The Gunsburg vote Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boren (D-OK), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Bradley (D-NJ), Yea
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Brown (R-CO), Yea
Bryan (D-NV), Yea
Bumpers (D-AR), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Campbell (D-CO), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Yea
Coats (R-IN), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Cohen (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Coverdell (R-GA), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
D'Amato (R-NY), Yea
Danforth (R-MO), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
DeConcini (D-AZ), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dole (R-KS), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durenberger (R-MN), Yea
Exon (D-NE), Yea
Faircloth (R-NC), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Ford (D-KY), Yea
Glenn (D-OH), Yea
Gorton (R-WA), Yea
Graham (D-FL), Yea
Gramm (R-TX), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hatfield (R-OR), Yea
Heflin (D-AL), Yea
Helms (R-NC), Nay
Hollings (D-SC), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Jeffords (R-VT), Yea
Johnston (D-LA), Yea
Kassebaum (R-KS), Yea
Kempthorne (R-ID), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
Kerrey (D-NE), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Mack (R-FL), Yea
Mathews (D-TN), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Metzenbaum (D-OH), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Mitchell (D-ME), Yea
Moseley-Braun (D-IL), Yea
Moynihan (D-NY), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nickles (R-OK), Nay
Nunn (D-GA), Yea
Packwood (R-OR), Yea
Pell (D-RI), Yea
Pressler (R-SD), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Riegle (D-MI), Not Voting
Robb (D-VA), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Roth (R-DE), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
Sasser (D-TN), Yea
Shelby (D-AL), Yea
Simon (D-IL), Yea
Simpson (R-WY), Yea
Smith (R-NH), Nay
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Thurmond (R-SC), Yea
Wallop (R-WY), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wellstone (D-MN), Yea
Wofford (D-PA), Yea

[governsleastgovernsbest]

Here is another post from a malcontent.

Yes, I'm very malcontent with this selection. But by the same token, I have ardently supported W on a host of other issues when I felt he was right. Do you have a problem with that?

[ez]

R Senators that voted for Ginsburg

Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Brown (R-CO), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Yea
Coats (R-IN), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Cohen (R-ME), Yea
Coverdell (R-GA), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
D'Amato (R-NY), Yea
Danforth (R-MO), Yea
Dole (R-KS), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Durenberger (R-MN), Yea
Faircloth (R-NC), Yea
Gorton (R-WA), Yea
Gramm (R-TX), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hatfield (R-OR), Yea
Helms (R-NC), Nay
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Jeffords (R-VT), Yea
Kassebaum (R-KS), Yea
Kempthorne (R-ID), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Mack (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Nickles (R-OK), Nay
Packwood (R-OR), Yea
Pressler (R-SD), Yea
Roth (R-DE), Yea
Simpson (R-WY), Yea
Smith (R-NH), Nay
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Thurmond (R-SC), Yea
Wallop (R-WY), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wellstone (D-MN), Yea
Wofford (D-PA), Yea

[governsleastgovernsbest]

Of course not, that would you appear stupid.

Helpful hint to ez: in posts accusing someone else of being stupid, endeavor to avoid glaring errors yourself.

[ez]

Correct. It is the President's choice, and I hold him fully responsible for this embarrassingly weak nomination.

And I hold you responsible for this embarrassing rift in the conservative movement.

[governsleastgovernsbest]

Interesting. Do I gather she's saying that although she feels unqualified for the SC, she considers Miers that much less so?