Skip to comments.DREAM ON, DEMOCRATS
Posted on 10/23/2005 4:29:32 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy
With hysterical glee, Democrats believe they smell blood around the Bush Administration and Republicans in general.
Admittedly, at first glance, the situation does appear bleak for the Republicans: dwindling support for the Iraq war, Tom Delay's indictment and arrest, Bill Frist's insider trading investigation, the Harriet Miers rupture, and polls that show a generic vote would favor Democrats over Republicans in 2006 by 11%. Oh, to be a Democrat, bolstered by such news after years of humiliating defeat at the polls!
Unfortunately for Democrats, none of this seems to be rubbing off in their favor. According to a recent national poll, only 32% of Americans have a favorable opinion of the Democratic Party. Hardly the resounding paradigm shift that the Dem's are counting on to take back the House and Senate next year, or win the White House a couple years later. But desperate people often cling to desperate hopes.
Enter Hillary Clinton.
Many Democrats, especially the Hollywood leftists, believe Clinton is the last, best hope for presidential success in 2008. Even Republicans like Dick Morris, who personally can't stand Hillary, predict that she has a good chance of winning, especially if there is no perceptible improvement in the Iraq situation and if Republicans do not offer up an equally well-known candidate. But the fact that many Democrats see Clinton as the best they've got, or at least the only really viable choice, is indicative of how desperate and empty the party has become.
Nevertheless, the political triangulation around Hillary is astounding, and typically Clintonian. With psychophantic predictability, the old-stream media and Hollywood are pulling out the stops to promote her. This is certainly because she is immensely popular with the chablis-sipping leftist elite, and possibly because there are some in the party who pragmatically recognize the dearth of potential candidates even slightly palatable to the wide American electorate.
In any event, her support among these elites is undeniably widespread. Democratic strategist and commentator Susan Estrich, who just a couple years ago predicted that Hillary could never win the presidency because she was America's most divisive politician, is now pimping Clinton as the probable next president. Several former Clinton aides, including the recently disgraced Sandy Berger, have signed up to provide "technical assistance" to ABC TV's Tuesday night fantasy "Commander-in-Chief".
The New York Daily News reports that Clinton's operatives see the the show as a barometer of how Hillary might fare in 2008. These socially and politically insular Democrats, especially in Hollywood and New York City, honestly believe that Clinton has widespread appeal and popularity. And why not? Everybody they know loves her.
The truth may not be so gilded, or as optimistic. In fact, there are signs emerging that point to a rough road for Clinton, even among members of her own party. This no more true than among the rabid Bush-hating anti-Iraq War factions, which have emerged as a mainstream component of an ever left-drifting party, not to mention the biggest source of Democratic fundraising in recent memory.
It is from here, among groups like MoveOn.org, Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan supporters, that the real power base in the party steadily grows. These groups have made it clear that Clinton's refusal to dramatically condemn the war in Iraq, or call for the return of American troops immediately, will cost her support, at least in the short term.
Shrewd politicians like Ted Kennedy, who has effectively aligned himself with the more vocal Bush-hating groups, both in his associations and his words, recognizes this dynamic. That may explain why he recently said he will not support Clinton in 2008, in the likely event John Kerry runs again.
Kennedy may be a slurring, womanizing, cowardly drunk, but he is not stupid: he knows that it is Kerry, not Hillary, who is more likely to benefit from the support of the angry left and their piles of money. After all, Kerry was able to do this in 2004. Even Cindy Sheehan, MoveOn.org's resident lackey, is urging fellow Democrats not to support "pro-war" Hillary, accusing her of "sounding like Rush Limbaugh". Ouch.
But Estrich says that Hillary has the benefit of being well-liked among Democrats, like her husband Bill, and unlike Al Gore and John Kerry. However, in the same article two years ago, she said that many women, including Democratic women, don't like her at all, and that the more Democrats talked up Hillary, the more money flowed into the coffers of the Republican Party. Estrich has obviously concluded that any Democrat prospect, even one she has personally identified as unable to appeal to a broad range of voters, is better than no Democrat at all. And there lies the problem for Estrich and the rest of her party.
Most Republican strategists believe that a Hillary presidential run will render results more illustrative of Estrich's former predictions, i.e. a boon for Republican fundraisers and crushing defeat for Democrats. Hillary would certainly ignite a huge bon-fire of repellent disgust beneath the Republican base. If the Republicans nominate Condi Rice, who by many accounts would eat Hillary alive in a head-to-head intellectual matchup, and with Hillary's base confined to elites, the Democrats might just end up wishing they had run John Kerry again.
At least, then, the humiliating Democratic defeat would not come as a total surprise.
I never believed Morris to be a Republican. I just believed that he like millions of others intensely detest Empress Hitlery.
"If this is about Hillary, which character is the guy supposed to be?"
My wife's response was to hand me the remote, because she realized why nature intended the man to control the remote in the first place.
In the first place, was she on her way to give you the remote?
Or were you caught in a weak moment?
(Frank Barone moment here ha ha ha)
"You can either deal with your situation or be a liberal about it."
I hereby nominate you for Tagline of the Year.
Where as everyone I know, detest Dems. Especially anything Clinton. Two sides, same coin.
I also still stand on the fact that when Hillary speaks to a national audience, her poll numbers tend to go down. She can't run for President like she ran for Senator from the PRNY.
Run Hillary Run!
Man that's the truth, just like a middle class tax cut.
Everything the democrats say is negative. I believe the American public want a positive message. As a Conservative I believe in community and I believe we are all part of the same community. The compliant I have against Dems is that they divide Americans into groups. They ask how this or that policy will affect blacks or women or labor or gays. I only want to know how it will affect Americans.
Unfortunately Republicans meanwhile aren't saying ANYTHING, except to spontaneously erupt into civil war at the drop of the wrong name - Miers or Rice especially. Meanwhile the drumbeat of democratic operatives is relentlessly getting its message out (negative though it may be) - day after day after day. Commander in Chief is promoting Hillary, while Republicans fritter away public debate with internal squabbles. Which incidentally, seems negative to much of the public.
Hate to say it, but the current situation would seem to favor the democrats. They're focused - on attacking Republicans.
Republicans seem frozen. It's kind of frustrating, to one who would prefer a (lot) more of Tom DeLay's "in liberals' faces" sort of righteousness in the form of an all out political blitz with the guns pointed (outward), and a bit less friendly fire.
Time is getting short. With all due respect - and that's a lot - to the heartfelt positions behind much of the current disarray; at some point, it becomes more important to coordinate strategy against the left, than to win battles of ideological purity.
My wife's response was to hand me the remote, because she realized why nature intended the man to control the remote in the first place."
Congrats! You are a smart man, and you married a smart lady too!
But, yes, I ike the line too., That's why I liberated it. (I'm a chile of the 60's - so it can't called stealing).
I agree. The 'rat primary voter will give her the nomination if she runs, and the MoveOn/DUmmie vote will fall right in line. Any "analysis" which dwells on hard left disaffection with the Midol Queen is merely blowing smoke. She will get all the money and support from them that she can use.
I followed her campaign and unless I missed something she never held a press conference where reporters asked her questions and she answered them. Hers was the most tightly scripted and controlled campaign I have ever witnessed. I cannot see how that will possibly play well in a national election.
when you try to please everyone you usually wind up pleasing no one.
You are right!!
Since the DUFU's came along I don't have to swim in the DU cesspool to catch a laugh or two much anymore. But every once in awhile I'll stick a toe in and it is true that a lot of DUmmies, which are the kook base for sure, don't like Hill-da-beast or her chances to win.
IMO, the beast would get spanked in a national election so I hope they do run her. And contrary to Dick Morris' assertions, it won't even take a Condi Rice to beat her. Condi, is so much more intelligent than the "smartest woman in the world"(excuse me while I vomit), that she would probably beat the beast hands down, but I'd rather see someone more socially conservative than Condi get the nod.
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I have, but I hope that there enough recordings of her screeching to the faithful to pass around.
But they will vote for her in the end and she does have a good possibility of winning, unfortunately.
If Hillary runs in a national election - the treatment she gets from the national media (Public TV, commercial TV, cable, NYT, LATIMES, Boston Glop, pundits, etc.) will make the support they gave Kerry look like an attack by rabid dogs. With McCain-Feingold still in effect, the GOP 'leadership' wandering around in circles, beating each other with clubs, and W showering love and praise on Clinton, Kennedy, Kerry and assorted RINOs - it will be a major battle to even get opposition votes admitted to let alone counted.
I wouldn't go that far. It's more likely that they don't love Hillary as much as they would hate just about any Republican.
I'm not sold on the idea that Hillary would not have a chance. This guy talks like Kerry might have another chance. I'm still troubled by the fact that Bush beat Kerry by only 3% of the votes.
Thanx. It's in the files now.
Me neither. And if the GOP splits over immigration or another issue, Hillary stands as the candidate to beat in a three-way race. Bill Clinton won in '92 with 43% of the popular vote, and don't think the Clinton crowd has forgotten this.
These wacko leftists will more than likely vote for her if she is the one on the ticket at the end of the day.
I'm afraid if another "compassionate conservative" with their big spending ways, or a "moderate Republican" pro abortion gun grabber is the nominee is nominated, the GOP may get a few dimes to finance another RINO fraud, but a significant portion of the base may stay home or skip some lines on election day.
Whoops! I'm so afraid we're going to have Hillary in office January 2009, my sin-tax took a deduction.
I am tired of making the politicians and entertainment industry rich off our backs.
You really nailed it. Libs benefit most when people are at each others' throats...white against black, rich against poor, old against young - when people are most upset and antagonistic with each other, the left rub their collective hands in glee.
I don't believe I've ever served chablis to my liberal friends; chardonnay, yes. Both, however, are one step above sterno, which is apparently what Morris drinks.
By the way, if Dick Morris is a Republican then I'm Marxist.
With psychophantic predictability, the old-stream media and Hollywood...
A writer that seems unaware of the proper spelling of sycophant probably shouldn't be taken seriously.
Freudian slip of the year.
Point #1 - Hitlery will set the all-time record for NEGATIVE TURNOUT.
Point #2 - Hitlery will not be able to control the press like she did in her NY Campaign, in a national election. This women is dumber than an ox when having to think on her feet. The gaffaws will make her a laughing stock, i.e. not ready for prime time.
No, I think he meant it as a pun...at least I thought it was funny...and true.
So true. Hillary has the additional handicap of an unpleasant voice quality which, when raised just a little, is like fingernails on a chalkboard. And what kind of a performance will she give when she actually has to debate somebody smarter than a fencepost?
That's pretty funny. The Republican majority has been acting like liberal democrats, not what I hoped for. Spending taxpayer money like drunken sailors, approving laws clearly and admittedly unconstitutional, failing to prosecute criminal corruption in the political world, protecting the political class while trashing honorable men, trading away their base for the ignorant masses. Hav'em, dirtbags!
She's cunning and sneaky, not smart. There is a HUGE difference. In a live debate, she'll get killed.
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