DREAM ON, DEMOCRATS

Sierra Times ^ | 10/21/2005 | Mark Outland

[FerdieMurphy]

With hysterical glee, Democrats believe they smell blood around the Bush Administration and Republicans in general.

Admittedly, at first glance, the situation does appear bleak for the Republicans: dwindling support for the Iraq war, Tom Delay's indictment and arrest, Bill Frist's insider trading investigation, the Harriet Miers rupture, and polls that show a generic vote would favor Democrats over Republicans in 2006 by 11%. Oh, to be a Democrat, bolstered by such news after years of humiliating defeat at the polls!

Unfortunately for Democrats, none of this seems to be rubbing off in their favor. According to a recent national poll, only 32% of Americans have a favorable opinion of the Democratic Party. Hardly the resounding paradigm shift that the Dem's are counting on to take back the House and Senate next year, or win the White House a couple years later. But desperate people often cling to desperate hopes.

Enter Hillary Clinton.

Many Democrats, especially the Hollywood leftists, believe Clinton is the last, best hope for presidential success in 2008. Even Republicans like Dick Morris, who personally can't stand Hillary, predict that she has a good chance of winning, especially if there is no perceptible improvement in the Iraq situation and if Republicans do not offer up an equally well-known candidate. But the fact that many Democrats see Clinton as the best they've got, or at least the only really viable choice, is indicative of how desperate and empty the party has become.

Nevertheless, the political triangulation around Hillary is astounding, and typically Clintonian. With psychophantic predictability, the old-stream media and Hollywood are pulling out the stops to promote her. This is certainly because she is immensely popular with the chablis-sipping leftist elite, and possibly because there are some in the party who pragmatically recognize the dearth of potential candidates even slightly palatable to the wide American electorate.

In any event, her support among these elites is undeniably widespread. Democratic strategist and commentator Susan Estrich, who just a couple years ago predicted that Hillary could never win the presidency because she was America's most divisive politician, is now pimping Clinton as the probable next president. Several former Clinton aides, including the recently disgraced Sandy Berger, have signed up to provide "technical assistance" to ABC TV's Tuesday night fantasy "Commander-in-Chief".

The New York Daily News reports that Clinton's operatives see the the show as a barometer of how Hillary might fare in 2008. These socially and politically insular Democrats, especially in Hollywood and New York City, honestly believe that Clinton has widespread appeal and popularity. And why not? Everybody they know loves her.

The truth may not be so gilded, or as optimistic. In fact, there are signs emerging that point to a rough road for Clinton, even among members of her own party. This no more true than among the rabid Bush-hating anti-Iraq War factions, which have emerged as a mainstream component of an ever left-drifting party, not to mention the biggest source of Democratic fundraising in recent memory.

It is from here, among groups like MoveOn.org, Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan supporters, that the real power base in the party steadily grows. These groups have made it clear that Clinton's refusal to dramatically condemn the war in Iraq, or call for the return of American troops immediately, will cost her support, at least in the short term.

Shrewd politicians like Ted Kennedy, who has effectively aligned himself with the more vocal Bush-hating groups, both in his associations and his words, recognizes this dynamic. That may explain why he recently said he will not support Clinton in 2008, in the likely event John Kerry runs again.

Kennedy may be a slurring, womanizing, cowardly drunk, but he is not stupid: he knows that it is Kerry, not Hillary, who is more likely to benefit from the support of the angry left and their piles of money. After all, Kerry was able to do this in 2004. Even Cindy Sheehan, MoveOn.org's resident lackey, is urging fellow Democrats not to support "pro-war" Hillary, accusing her of "sounding like Rush Limbaugh". Ouch.

But Estrich says that Hillary has the benefit of being well-liked among Democrats, like her husband Bill, and unlike Al Gore and John Kerry. However, in the same article two years ago, she said that many women, including Democratic women, don't like her at all, and that the more Democrats talked up Hillary, the more money flowed into the coffers of the Republican Party. Estrich has obviously concluded that any Democrat prospect, even one she has personally identified as unable to appeal to a broad range of voters, is better than no Democrat at all. And there lies the problem for Estrich and the rest of her party.

Most Republican strategists believe that a Hillary presidential run will render results more illustrative of Estrich's former predictions, i.e. a boon for Republican fundraisers and crushing defeat for Democrats. Hillary would certainly ignite a huge bon-fire of repellent disgust beneath the Republican base. If the Republicans nominate Condi Rice, who by many accounts would eat Hillary alive in a head-to-head intellectual matchup, and with Hillary's base confined to elites, the Democrats might just end up wishing they had run John Kerry again.

At least, then, the humiliating Democratic defeat would not come as a total surprise.

[FerdieMurphy]

Even Republicans like Dick Morris...

I never believed Morris to be a Republican. I just believed that he like millions of others intensely detest Empress Hitlery.

[Bernard]

My wife had the remote, and I actually saw 2-3 minutes of Commander-In-Chief. When it got to the part where the female President kissed the guy she was in bed with, I asked,

"If this is about Hillary, which character is the guy supposed to be?"

My wife's response was to hand me the remote, because she realized why nature intended the man to control the remote in the first place.

[Jaysun]

Even Republicans like Dick Morris, who personally can't stand Hillary, predict that she has a good chance of winning........

That puts my mind at ease. He's almost never correct. Dick Morris needs a window in his stomach so he can see to walk while his head is up his a**.

[ThreePuttinDude]

In the first place, was she on her way to give you the remote?

Or were you caught in a weak moment?

(Frank Barone moment here ha ha ha)

[Beth528]

Everything the democrats say is negative. I believe the American public want a positive message. As a Conservative I believe in community and I believe we are all part of the same community. The compliant I have against Dems is that they divide Americans into groups. They ask how this or that policy will affect blacks or women or labor or gays. I only want to know how it will affect Americans.

[TheRobb7]

"You can either deal with your situation or be a liberal about it."

I hereby nominate you for Tagline of the Year.

[ThreePuttinDude]

And why not? Everybody they know loves her.

Where as everyone I know, detest Dems. Especially anything Clinton. Two sides, same coin.

[Thebaddog]

This stuff about Hillary having trouble with the crazies is a rope-a-dope story. They know that she doesn't mean what she says as soon as she says it.

I also still stand on the fact that when Hillary speaks to a national audience, her poll numbers tend to go down. She can't run for President like she ran for Senator from the PRNY.

[PGalt]

Run Hillary Run!

[jmaroneps37]

The ratmedia cheerleaders for the failing left don't like to talk about these things, but here's a few
of the insurmountable problems the rat party faces, as they "retake power".
The end of big labor ATM access.No more union thug troops.

The loss of voter fraud through HAVA.PhotoIDs = rat defeats.

The loss of Louisiana after the investigation. Won't go away. Won't be good for La. rats.

The loss of Iraq as an issue. Things getting better by the month.

The loss of plantation escapees jumping the fence. Blacks starting to listen to GOP and liking what they hear.

The loss of control of the Court. No more force feeding liberalism to America.

The lack of any message.An empty message " I'm not Bush." doesn't work.

Spokesmen and women like Dean, Moore, Sheehan etc chase voters away.

Gay "marriage" support. Oh for eleven last cycle with no upturn in sight.

Anti 2nd amendment positions. Gave us West Virginia, helped us keep Arkansas and Tennessee.

Shallow bench.Demoralized rat state organizations means fewer new faces.

Continued defections.The ratio of rat to GOP conversions in the last 10 years must be 10 to 1. This is one of the few areas that they consistently beat us in. :-)

Adoration of Partial Birth Abortion. Most rats that you see and hear about are devoted to PBA, something that chases decent people away.

For the FIFTH time in the last eight months, a national poll has reported that Hillary Clinton is too liberal to be president. The numbers in these surveys DON'T BUDGE. She has been judged too liberal by 38, 39,39,40 and now 41% of respondents. If Little Dick Morris had lived in the 1940s he would have bet on the Japanese to win WW II.

[Pietro]

"They know that she doesn't mean what she says as soon as she says it."

Man that's the truth, just like a middle class tax cut.

[trek]

How about the "HGTV" ticket. Hillary Clinton and Geena Davis. Now that's a co-presidency. Maybe they could even kiss on TV.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Everything the democrats say is negative. I believe the American public want a positive message. As a Conservative I believe in community and I believe we are all part of the same community. The compliant I have against Dems is that they divide Americans into groups. They ask how this or that policy will affect blacks or women or labor or gays. I only want to know how it will affect Americans.

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Unfortunately Republicans meanwhile aren't saying ANYTHING, except to spontaneously erupt into civil war at the drop of the wrong name - Miers or Rice especially. Meanwhile the drumbeat of democratic operatives is relentlessly getting its message out (negative though it may be) - day after day after day. Commander in Chief is promoting Hillary, while Republicans fritter away public debate with internal squabbles. Which incidentally, seems negative to much of the public.

Hate to say it, but the current situation would seem to favor the democrats. They're focused - on attacking Republicans.

Republicans seem frozen. It's kind of frustrating, to one who would prefer a (lot) more of Tom DeLay's "in liberals' faces" sort of righteousness in the form of an all out political blitz with the guns pointed (outward), and a bit less friendly fire.

Time is getting short. With all due respect - and that's a lot - to the heartfelt positions behind much of the current disarray; at some point, it becomes more important to coordinate strategy against the left, than to win battles of ideological purity.

[libs_kma]

"My wife had the remote, and I actually saw 2-3 minutes of Commander-In-Chief. When it got to the part where the female President kissed the guy she was in bed with, I asked, "If this is about Hillary, which character is the guy supposed to be?"

My wife's response was to hand me the remote, because she realized why nature intended the man to control the remote in the first place."

Congrats! You are a smart man, and you married a smart lady too!

[Bernard]

Actually, I saw it on a message board for a local newspaper and I don't remember what the sing-on name is for the poster.

But, yes, I ike the line too., That's why I liberated it. (I'm a chile of the 60's - so it can't called stealing).

[hinckley buzzard]

This stuff about Hillary having trouble with the crazies is a rope-a-dope story. They know that she doesn't mean what she says as soon as she says it.

I agree. The 'rat primary voter will give her the nomination if she runs, and the MoveOn/DUmmie vote will fall right in line. Any "analysis" which dwells on hard left disaffection with the Midol Queen is merely blowing smoke. She will get all the money and support from them that she can use.

[Popman]

I hope Hillary does run because by throwing her hat in the ring is about the only reason many repeatedly burned, abused, slighted, fuming, livid, furious, enraged incensed, infuriated and pissed off conservatives might give a dime to the GOP or even vote,

[Eagles Talon IV]

The libs play on the inherent selfishness of people. Listen to a liberal speak and you will soon see that inevitably it is always all about them. Each of their special interests groups cares about what will benefit them and all they care about is a politician that will do something for them". This is why the libs have to go from group to group and give different messages to each one and be very careful they don't "forget" what they said last time to the group or to a similar group in another area. Like the saying goes, when you try to please everyone you usually wind up pleasing no one.

[Beth528]

Republicans seem frozen. It's kind of frustrating, to one who would prefer a (lot) more of Tom DeLay's "in liberals' faces" sort of righteousness in the form of an all out political blitz with the guns pointed (outward), and a bit less friendly fire.

This is so true!And I agree with you.. Great post.

[Eagles Talon IV]

I followed her campaign and unless I missed something she never held a press conference where reporters asked her questions and she answered them. Hers was the most tightly scripted and controlled campaign I have ever witnessed. I cannot see how that will possibly play well in a national election.

[Beth528]

when you try to please everyone you usually wind up pleasing no one.


You are right!!

[libs_kma]

"This stuff about Hillary having trouble with the crazies is a rope-a-dope story. They know that she doesn't mean what she says as soon as she says it."

Since the DUFU's came along I don't have to swim in the DU cesspool to catch a laugh or two much anymore. But every once in awhile I'll stick a toe in and it is true that a lot of DUmmies, which are the kook base for sure, don't like Hill-da-beast or her chances to win.

IMO, the beast would get spanked in a national election so I hope they do run her. And contrary to Dick Morris' assertions, it won't even take a Condi Rice to beat her. Condi, is so much more intelligent than the "smartest woman in the world"(excuse me while I vomit), that she would probably beat the beast hands down, but I'd rather see someone more socially conservative than Condi get the nod.

[Buffettfan]

Let's see now. In 2004 the dems nominate an antiwar radical named John Kerry who they tried to pass off as a war hero and expected us to believe it. In 2008 they want to nominate Hillary Clinton, one of the most polarizing fugues in American politics today and they want us to accept her as a viable candidate for president. This is proof positive that they cannot be trusted with the national security of this country.

[Thebaddog]

The big question is going to be who runs against her for sure. McCain would lose, IMO, because he is HillaryLite and he'll cause a lot of voters to sit out the election on the conservative side. Allen looks interesting and I am curious about who else is a serious possibility.

[Mia T]

... when Hillary speaks to a national audience, her poll numbers tend to go down. --Thebaddog

Have you noticed that hillary clinton doesn't speak in public at all?

SCHEMA PINOCCHIO
how the clintons are handling the hillary dud factor

(...and who in heaven's name is writing missus clinton's speeches anyway?)

by Mia T, 8.03.05


(viewing movie requires Flash Player 7, available HERE)
MAD hillary series #5
WHY MISSUS CLINTON IS DANGEROUS
FOR THE CHILDREN
FOR AMERICA
FOR THE WORLD

They turned our bridge to the 21st century into a tunnel back into the 19th century. Back us out of that Republican tunnel, fill it in, go back across the bridge.... We'll have a giant celebration when we come back to Columbus in 2020. There's nothing more wonderful than making dreams come true.

hear hillary clinton
address to the Democratic Leadership Council
Columbus, Ohio
7.31.05

issus clinton is a dud.

I could say she has all of bill clinton's baggage and none of his charm, except I don't find bill clinton charming. What she lacks, in my view, is lubricant. Snake oil. She grates.

It's more than simple dislike. You don't want to see her; and you definitely don't want to hear her.

 

COMPLETE ARTICLE

[Thebaddog]

I have, but I hope that there enough recordings of her screeching to the faithful to pass around.

[George W. Bush]

With psychophantic predictability, the old-stream media and Hollywood...

A writer that seems unaware of the proper spelling of sycophant probably shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Mia T]

CLICK on the 'Schema Pinocchio movie' link in the above image or here.

[bertmerc1]

These groups have made it clear that Clinton's refusal to dramatically condemn the war in Iraq, or call for the return of American troops immediately, will cost her support, at least in the short term.

But they will vote for her in the end and she does have a good possibility of winning, unfortunately.

[NHResident]

If Hillary runs in a national election - the treatment she gets from the national media (Public TV, commercial TV, cable, NYT, LATIMES, Boston Glop, pundits, etc.) will make the support they gave Kerry look like an attack by rabid dogs. With McCain-Feingold still in effect, the GOP 'leadership' wandering around in circles, beating each other with clubs, and W showering love and praise on Clinton, Kennedy, Kerry and assorted RINOs - it will be a major battle to even get opposition votes admitted to let alone counted.

[manwiththehands]

These socially and politically insular Democrats, especially in Hollywood and New York City, honestly believe that Clinton has widespread appeal and popularity. And why not? Everybody they know loves her.

I wouldn't go that far. It's more likely that they don't love Hillary as much as they would hate just about any Republican.

I'm not sold on the idea that Hillary would not have a chance. This guy talks like Kerry might have another chance. I'm still troubled by the fact that Bush beat Kerry by only 3% of the votes.

[Thebaddog]

Thanx. It's in the files now.

[IndyTiger]

I'm not sold on the idea that Hillary would not have a chance.

Me neither. And if the GOP splits over immigration or another issue, Hillary stands as the candidate to beat in a three-way race. Bill Clinton won in '92 with 43% of the popular vote, and don't think the Clinton crowd has forgotten this.

[Mia T]

Another factor. Morris became rabidly pro-Bush after 9/11.
He had first-hand knowledge of the clintons' utter failure to confront terrorism.
He understands that America cannot survive another clinton presidency.


WHY DID BILL CLINTON IGNORE TERRORISM?
Was it simply the constraints of his liberal mindset, or was it something even more threatening to our national security?


BIN LADEN FINGERS CLINTON FOR TERROR SUCCESS (SEE FOOTAGE)
THE THREAT OF TERRORISM IS AS CLOSE AS A CLINTON IS TO THE OVAL OFFICE


PRESIDENTIAL FAILURE, 9/11 + KATRINA


NEWT: CLINTON COMMITTED ONE OF WORST CRIMES, ENDANGERED COUNTRY, IF HIT ABDULLAH UP FOR CASH


Listen to this and ask yourself if America Ever Had the Remotest Chance Under a clinton to Avoid 9/11
(To paraphrase Einstein: "The unleashed power of terrorism has changed everything save our modes of thinking, and we thus drift toward unparalleled catastrophes.")


sandy berger haberdashery feint
(the specs, not the pants or the socks)


THE LEFT'S RECKLESS TET-OFFENSIVE-GAMBIT REPLAY:
the left's jihad against America is killing our troops, aiding + abetting the terrorists and imperiling all Americans

[Hadean]

These wacko leftists will more than likely vote for her if she is the one on the ticket at the end of the day.

[308MBR]

I'm afraid if another "compassionate conservative" with their big spending ways, or a "moderate Republican" pro abortion gun grabber is the nominee is nominated, the GOP may get a few dimes to finance another RINO fraud, but a significant portion of the base may stay home or skip some lines on election day.

[Libloather]

I'm a chile of the 60's

[308MBR]

Whoops! I'm so afraid we're going to have Hillary in office January 2009, my sin-tax took a deduction.

[freekitty]

I am tired of making the politicians and entertainment industry rich off our backs.

[CaliGirlGodHelpMe]

You really nailed it. Libs benefit most when people are at each others' throats...white against black, rich against poor, old against young - when people are most upset and antagonistic with each other, the left rub their collective hands in glee.

[harrowup]

With psychophantic predictability, the old-stream media and Hollywood are pulling out the stops to promote her. This is certainly because she is immensely popular with the chablis-sipping leftist elite,...

I don't believe I've ever served chablis to my liberal friends; chardonnay, yes. Both, however, are one step above sterno, which is apparently what Morris drinks.

By the way, if Dick Morris is a Republican then I'm Marxist.

[Savage Beast]

Just keep the Democrats talking. Give 'em megaphones and microphones. The more they get their message out, the more the American people recoil in disgust.

[neuron2]

With psychophantic predictability, the old-stream media and Hollywood...

A writer that seems unaware of the proper spelling of sycophant probably shouldn't be taken seriously.

Freudian slip of the year.

[AmericaUnited]

Point #1 - Hitlery will set the all-time record for NEGATIVE TURNOUT.

Point #2 - Hitlery will not be able to control the press like she did in her NY Campaign, in a national election. This women is dumber than an ox when having to think on her feet. The gaffaws will make her a laughing stock, i.e. not ready for prime time.

[harrowup]

"With psychophantic predictability..."
A writer that seems unaware of the proper spelling of sycophant probably shouldn't be taken seriously.
Freudian slip of the year.

No, I think he meant it as a pun...at least I thought it was funny...and true.

[Beth528]

Me too!!!

[Beth528]

What irritates me to no end is the Repbublicans sitting on their butts not doing a thing about it..Believe me I am a conservative not a Republican..

[Liberty Wins]

"The more Democrats get their message out, the more the American people recoil in disgust."

So true. Hillary has the additional handicap of an unpleasant voice quality which, when raised just a little, is like fingernails on a chalkboard. And what kind of a performance will she give when she actually has to debate somebody smarter than a fencepost?

[GregoryFul]

Time is getting short. With all due respect - and that's a lot - to the heartfelt positions behind much of the current disarray; at some point, it becomes more important to coordinate strategy against the left, than to win battles of ideological purity.

That's pretty funny. The Republican majority has been acting like liberal democrats, not what I hoped for. Spending taxpayer money like drunken sailors, approving laws clearly and admittedly unconstitutional, failing to prosecute criminal corruption in the political world, protecting the political class while trashing honorable men, trading away their base for the ignorant masses. Hav'em, dirtbags!

[AmericaUnited]

And what kind of a performance will she give when she actually has to debate somebody smarter than a fencepost?

She's cunning and sneaky, not smart. There is a HUGE difference. In a live debate, she'll get killed.