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No God But Jehovah, DespiteWhat Bush Says At RamadanBanquet
Koenig's International News ^ | 10-19-05 | Bill Wilson

Posted on 10/23/2005 6:55:51 AM PDT by truthandlife

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To: The Iguana

Why doesn't he go to the Church of Satan then? They also have beliefs in a Diety.


41 posted on 10/23/2005 7:50:37 AM PDT by PokeyJoe (There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those that don't.)
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To: hispanichoosier
but the original deity would seem to be the same one.

There is a huge difference:
their god requires that they sacrifice their sons to him -
my God sacrificed His Son for me.

One in the same I do not think so.
43 posted on 10/23/2005 7:53:41 AM PDT by roylene
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To: truthandlife
I always thought of the Creator as the same guy for all of us. If I understand the Good News properly, jihadists seem to have sidestepped the message somehow, although I doubt they were watching out for it that carefully. On the other hand, Christians seemed to have misread it a while back as well, and we continue to do so from time to time. I surely hope he is as merciful as I have been led to believe.

For the most part Christians seem to have matured over the decades. Yet we still need the occasional reminder.

Sometimes, when some imam somewhere, or some muktar counsels the death of infidels, I wonder to myself how many Muslims would need to be counseled with extreme prejudice before the idea of a jihad would lose its appeal. When France completes the transition to a muslin country you will have one that is a nuclear power. So the question has meaning.

Maybe avian flu will render the problem moot.

44 posted on 10/23/2005 8:00:11 AM PDT by stevem
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To: Yehuda

bump


45 posted on 10/23/2005 8:02:16 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: montag813
Say what you want about Rudy Giuliani regarding abortion. Rudy would NEVER be caught dead uttering such despicable words as did George W. Bush at this Satanic gathering. NEVER.

Amen!

Many Bushbots have been arguing that his (Bush's) calling Islam "the religion of peace" and his slowness in identifying the enemy as something other the WOT is a clever strategy. But, his performance and language at this event completely dispel any conclusion other than "he still doesn't get it."

Anyone who has read the Koran and the Bible can tell that the muslim Allah and Jehovah are not only not the same person...they are antithetical to each other.

This report of the President's comments is very bad news, indeed.

46 posted on 10/23/2005 8:21:07 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: PokeyJoe
Why doesn't he go to the Church of Satan then? They also have beliefs in a Diety

Actually, the Church of Satan expressly doesn not believe in a deity. Of course, there are perhaps fewer than a couple hundred LaVeyan Satanists still walking around these days.

But they do serve well as straw men worldwide.

47 posted on 10/23/2005 8:26:25 AM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: hispanichoosier

part correct, while they claim Abraham is their father, they deny that Isaac and Jacob are part of the promised line of the Messiah. They believe Ishmael is that line, and that is in direct contradiction to the Bible.

They also deny Jesus died on the Cross and they also deny he was resurrected alive 3 days later.

There is no way Allah is a Biblical faith under any circumstance.


48 posted on 10/23/2005 8:27:13 AM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: truthandlife

Reads as though Bush places more faith in Masonic thinking than in thinking in faith through Christ.


49 posted on 10/23/2005 8:33:09 AM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Hey, look at the bright side, you may come back as a rabbit in Austraila.

Better than a gerbil in San Francisco.

50 posted on 10/23/2005 8:34:28 AM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Wormwood

straw men hell, I just want equal representation.


51 posted on 10/23/2005 8:42:06 AM PDT by PokeyJoe (There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those that don't.)
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To: manwiththehands
President Bush needs to put the crack pipe away and stop pandering to the Muslims. He sounds foolish. We are at war with this "religion" BECAUSE of their beliefs.

I think he understands that we are at war, and it's actually you who looks foolish.

You get to sit and rant, he has a harder job than you. He actually has to achieve diplomatic relationships with these people.

52 posted on 10/23/2005 8:44:32 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: HairOfTheDog; manwiththehands
We are at war with this "religion" BECAUSE of their beliefs.

Do you disagree with that statement?

53 posted on 10/23/2005 8:49:47 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies

We are at war with terrorism. If we are really at war with all of Islam, may the real God please stand up, because it will ~NEVER~ end. It'd be irresponsible for any president to declare such a war, or refuse to work toward some kind of lasting relationship with reasonable forces within Islam.

I have no love for Muslims. But I have no respect for fundamentalists of any stripe who condemn everybody else. I'd love it if, as it turns out, you're all wrong. That'd be funny as heck.


54 posted on 10/23/2005 8:59:36 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: HairOfTheDog
We are at war with terrorism.

Even the President has admitted that isn't true. In his last speech he said we were at war with "radical islam, islamofascism, etc."

If you read the Koran and the Hadiths, you will see that together they comprise a kind of "Mein Kampf." Like Nazism, Islam is unified by an undercurrent of anger and hatred, which is why it often expresses itself in destruction.

If our leaders in this War don't understand who the enemy is, how can we hope for victory.

The goal of Islam is the establishment of a world caliphate in which the only permitted religion is Islam.

There are many fine moderate muslims in the world. But it is the hardliners that rule Islam...and they are only doing what Allah commands. And Allah has commanded that everyone either converts to Islam, is subjugated as a dhimmi...or dies.

55 posted on 10/23/2005 9:16:03 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies

I understand the forces at work here, and so, thankfully, does our president.


56 posted on 10/23/2005 9:17:34 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I understand the forces at work here, and so, thankfully, does our president.

I hope you are right about the President. This speech raises some serious doubts, however.

I am not one to criticize the President. But if, out of a desire to be magnanimous or noble, he misunderstands the inherent evil in Islam, the consequences could be huge.

And he has certainly sent some mixed signals regarding this matter.

57 posted on 10/23/2005 9:24:19 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: truthandlife

President Bush did not mis-speak, and he did not equate God and Allah. That sentenced was prefaced "According to the teachings of Islam . . ." That is absolutely a true statement of Islamic teachings. Bush said that Islam traces it's beginnings back to Abraham. Also true.

Bush didn't say that he, personally, believed any of it, or that Islamic teachings were true. The guy who wrote this piece needs to learn to listen carefully. Bush spoke no falsehood or blasphemy here.


58 posted on 10/23/2005 9:36:06 AM PDT by walden
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To: MineralMan
"Actually, he parks cars at Yankee Stadium"

I thought he drove a cab. He sure did the last time I was in NYC.

Actually, you're both wrong. He's the center for the world-champion San Antonio Spurs!


59 posted on 10/23/2005 9:41:05 AM PDT by AlaninSA (It's ONE NATION UNDER GOD...brought to you by the Knights of Columbus)
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To: Puppage

I was going to say he might have a newspaper booth at the Minneapolis airport...


60 posted on 10/23/2005 9:47:09 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Troubled by NOLA looting ? You ain't seen nothing yet.)
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