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To: EveningStar

Here's the problem with this analysis. White people, with all their supposed advantages, were stuck in the flood, too.
The flood had nothing to do with race. There is no shame in being a victim of a flood.


6 posted on 10/26/2005 9:29:17 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly

"Beyond the human mess one expects to see"

We don't expect to see looting


8 posted on 10/26/2005 9:32:38 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: popdonnelly

Steele also says this:

"The black shame of inferiority (the result of oppression, not genetics) cannot be overcome with anything less than a heroic assumption of responsibility on the part of black Americans. In fact, true equality--an actual parity of wealth and ability between the races--is now largely a black responsibility. This may not be fair, but historical fairness--of the sort that resolves history's injustices--is an idealism that now plagues black America by making black responsibility seem an injustice."


10 posted on 10/26/2005 9:36:03 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: popdonnelly

Ping to post #10


12 posted on 10/26/2005 9:36:55 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: popdonnelly
The issue is in owning the shame that comes from being where you are and owning it enough to make changes. Whites (not all) had a hand in keeping blacks down with segregation. Once that became unacceptable things started to change. What has happened here is that too many (not all mind you) blacks have relied upon white man/liberal guilt instead of taking responsibility for making their own way and we as a society have suffered. Think about how much further ahead America would be without all of the entitlement spending and instead with a strong black middle class with far less fatherless families and far less crime in the community.
30 posted on 10/26/2005 9:46:26 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: popdonnelly; All

He really isnt talking about the flood except that it exposed a problem in the black community.

In a microsm (sp) I saw a minority woman in Houston who had gotten government housing there. She promptly declared "This is how the rich people live, I am not going back to New Orleans when I can get more here".

Its an entitlement mentality that allows generations of New Orleans lower income people to remain in public housing and subsist mainly on welfare. I see the problem coming that a lot of lower income housing was destroyed along with large middle class, white communities (St Bernard). When they rebuild they are not going to rebuild older shotgun houses that lower income people could afford. Instead they will build better larger homes that will affect the demographics here in New Orleans.

Already the need is so desperate for workers that Burger Kings are offering 8 dollars an hour and $500 a month for a year as a bonus. Thats a $6,000 bonus to work at Burger King. Target is begging for workers offering $12.25 an hour. Its insane. You see more signs offering work at rates substantially above minimum wage than you do hurricane cleanup signs!

The problem here is that the lower income classes are living high on the hog right now with the FEMA, Red Cross, private moneys. You get $2000 initially, then $2300 every three months for living expenses from FEMA. The state governments, subsidized by the feds are giving food stamps out like Halloween candy. Red Cross is handing out cash. Lower income people with the entitlement mentality see no reason to go out and work and lose out on all the free cash.

Anecdotally, friends who own businesses have actually gotten phone calls from employees saying they were not returning because they did not need the job right now!

Sorry to get so long winded, but this is a discussion we have in our office right now. In fact some of our lower paid operators (computer) could make more money at Target and dont need the college they have!


43 posted on 10/26/2005 9:54:40 AM PDT by USAFJeeper
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To: popdonnelly
Here's the problem with this analysis. White people, with all their supposed advantages, were stuck in the flood, too.

The flood had nothing to do with race.

Statistics released to date reveal that 42% of the corpses are black ... from a city that was nearly 70% black.

So, if the flood did, in fact have something to do with race ... it would appear that the white race suffered way out of proportion to its share of the population.

Why isn't this being reported by the MSM?

99 posted on 10/26/2005 1:18:38 PM PDT by caryatid (All good things which exist are the fruits of originality. [John Stuart Mill])
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