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Oregon Schoolkids Given Palm Handhelds
PCMag via FoxNews.com ^ | October 28, 2005 | By Bary Alyssa Johnson

Posted on 10/29/2005 11:30:59 AM PDT by cloud8

At least eight high-tech school districts throughout Oregon have begun using Palm, Inc. technology in their classroom curriculum as part of a broad handheld integration program, the mobile computing company announced Thursday.

The integration concept jumped off in 2001 when Palm unveiled its Palm Education Pioneer (PEP) program grant.

With funding from the grant, more than 100 schools nationwide implemented Palm handhelds, while a number of research hubs studied the effectiveness of the device in a classroom setting, according to a recent press release.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: education; formoversubstance; handheld; oregon; palm; technologyeducation
"Motivation is huge," Gill said in a statement. "...kids are producing more and doing better work than they did with paper and pencils. Using a handheld keeps them on task and helps them to be more successful."

What exactly can they do on a Palm, except play Mine Sweeper, that they can't do with pencil and paper?

1 posted on 10/29/2005 11:31:00 AM PDT by cloud8
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To: cloud8

I agree. This smells like another educrat boondoggle.


2 posted on 10/29/2005 11:32:23 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: cloud8

I agree. I have a friend that keeps telling me that I need to buy a palm pilot. He can't tell me why though. I love "gadgets" if they are useful.


3 posted on 10/29/2005 11:34:08 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We Gave Peace A Chance. It Didn't Work Out. Search keyword: 09-11-01.)
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To: cloud8

They can pass test messages to eachother with the infrared link. Or maybe even test answers!


4 posted on 10/29/2005 11:34:11 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: cloud8
If I had one of these when I was in HS I would have been a straight A+ student.

The cheating potential is unlimited, the learning potential is dubious.

5 posted on 10/29/2005 11:36:24 AM PDT by 11Bush
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To: FlingWingFlyer
IMHO PDAs are nice when bundled with a cell phone & internet:

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But for adults, not schoolkids.

6 posted on 10/29/2005 11:37:52 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: cloud8
What exactly can they do on a Palm, except play Mine Sweeper, that they can't do with pencil and paper?

I'll let you know just as soon as I figure out what I can do with the one I bought 6 months ago besides take it out and recharge the battery once a month. Obviously, according to the article, they're of more use to 7 year-olds than they are to 43 year-old professionals.

7 posted on 10/29/2005 11:38:40 AM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: cloud8

It appears from the article that they're not doing any academic work that they couldn't do with paper, pencils, and books. What else they're doing is the real interesting question :-).


8 posted on 10/29/2005 11:38:55 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm not being paid enough to worry about all this stuff ... so I don't.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I love gadgets and the Palm is quite cool, though I tend to use it as an organizer for addresses and phone numbers, and not for my personal schedule. It does remind me two weeks before, and the day of, birthdays and anniversaries, etc, which is worth the price of admission alone!

Units like this are getting very integrated with other items, so I have my old Sony Clie and a 1.5 year old nice cell phone, but looking forward to an integrated solution (phone, mp3 player, personal organizer, etc).

While I love gadgets, I'm also a Luddite in some ways. I see no practical upside (given my work demands and values) in being able to get emails from people I know (work or personal) immediately as opposed to a few hours from now. My cell phone is there for me to call people, not for people to call me, and there's not a lick of difference if I take a call now, or take a message a couple of hours later.

Nobody is that important to me. And I don't like to be that easy to get a hold of. Familiarity breeds something, I understand...
9 posted on 10/29/2005 11:39:34 AM PDT by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: cloud8
My son-in-law teaches History in New Jersey. His school is implementing a pilot program for integration of Tablet PCs in the classroom. He is working on History and Geography lessons with the necessary graphics to bring these subjects to life. For example, he might ask a student to point our the 13 colonies of Pre Revolutionary times.

The tablet is connected to a projector so that when the student uses the touch screen to highlight the map all the students will react. Students will be anxious to answer questions and be called to the front of the class to interact. Sounds like a powerful tool!

10 posted on 10/29/2005 11:41:06 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: Young Werther
"Sounds like a powerful tool!"

The ONLY "powerful tools" required in a classroom -- is a competent TEACHER..and disciplined students.

Sadly - those are the missing tools in most classrooms.

Semper Fi

11 posted on 10/29/2005 11:50:23 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: cloud8
One possible reason to go in this direction is the price of text books. If you can give the kids their text books as ebooks for $20 or less per child as opposed to $100 or more for hard copies, that's a significant savings. Plus if a kid loses his/her copy of a textbook, they have to buy another. With a ebook, they just have to download another copy at little to no cost.

Not to mention the fact that a Palm Pilot can hold dozens of ebooks at a time. So, instead of carrying around a ton of books in a backpack, they can carry even more info around in a handheld that weighs only a few ounces. I wish I had had my Tungsten T5 when I was in grade school, high school or college. I can't do with out it now.

Plus, there's the "cool" factor with kids. If you were raised on video games, which would you prefer to work with, books or handheld computers? I would expect that more kids would find it more fun to do their homework if it involves using a computer of any kind. My kids did, anyway.

That said, this is a public school system we're talking about and Teacher's Unions have demonstrated a singular talent for taking a good idea and turning it into a boodoggle. Here's hoping that doesn't happen here.

12 posted on 10/29/2005 11:53:46 AM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: cloud8

I use mine, with a folding keyboard, instead of a laptop at meetings.

My meeting notes are all organized, comprehensible, and electronically searchable.

I think, if used properly, PDAs can be a big addition to a classroom. The problem is that, if use of other computer technology in the classroom is any guide, it will be misused or unused if not implemented well.


13 posted on 10/29/2005 11:59:51 AM PDT by LouD
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To: FlingWingFlyer; cloud8
Let's see - I use my Zire 72 (mid-line Palm) to:

1: Read and store documents.
2: Read e-books. (I currently have about a dozen on it.)
3: Surf the 'Net; i.e., freep anywhere there's a WiFi point.
4: Send and receive e-mail.
5: Make notes.
6: Take pictures. (Built in camera.)
7. Store and view images.
8: Find chords and scales for my musical instruments.
9: Keep track of the things I need to do.
10: Etc., etc...

How useful it is for a grade-schooler is debatable, but I never leave home without it.
14 posted on 10/29/2005 12:15:00 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Texas State Motto: "Regular or Extra-Crispy?")
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To: martin_fierro
IMHO PDAs are nice when bundled with a cell phone & internet:

Good start. I'm waiting for the additional bundling of MP3, Video, AM/FM, TV and naviation.

15 posted on 10/29/2005 12:22:16 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: HitmanNY

> While I love gadgets, I'm also a Luddite in some ways.

LOL Me too. I'm a minimalist Luddite--cheap *and* stubborn.


16 posted on 10/29/2005 12:32:18 PM PDT by cloud8
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To: Young Werther

> For example, he might ask a student to point out the 13 colonies of Pre Revolutionary times [on the tablet PC]

As opposed to asking, Johnnie please come up to the map and point out the 13 colonies.

I've taught with a computer, and find it best when *I'm* the only one using it, and the students are paying attention rather than surfing the web and sending email.

> Sounds like a powerful tool!

It may be. For example, the whole class could interact instead of just one at a time. Or it may be an expensive gimmick. I look forward to hearing how the program worked out for your son-in-law.


17 posted on 10/29/2005 12:42:01 PM PDT by cloud8
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To: martin_fierro

How about
edubrat boondoggle


18 posted on 10/29/2005 12:46:09 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: cloud8; oregon; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; ...

Oregon Ping

Please notify me via FReepmail if you would like to be added to or taken off the Oregon Ping List.

19 posted on 10/29/2005 12:47:09 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: martin_fierro; All

Must be hard to type an opus on that though, LOL! (My DH is a total Gadget Guy, too.)

As for the kids having these, it doesn't bother me that they're being given to the kids through a grant and not taxpayer dollars, but you can count on THAT being the next step. The grant will run out, the school district will think that each kid MUST have a Palm to "keep up" with those that went before and then the taxpayer will end up footing the bill for more of these things...ensuring a tidy profit from the original "grantor."

Nobody does nothin' for free.


20 posted on 10/29/2005 12:51:01 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Palm pilots are just about at the end of their rather brief product cycle, being replaced by cell phones and blackberries. The Palm OS is a good one apparently, but others know a lot more about that here than I. All I know is that I haven't seen a Palm in ages, and never got what good they were to begin with.


21 posted on 10/29/2005 1:02:00 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: cloud8
Ummmm, how are they going to learn to write legibly if they never have to write?
22 posted on 10/29/2005 1:12:17 PM PDT by Danae (Most Liberals don't drink the Kool-aide, they are licking the powder right out of the packet.)
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To: Danae
Ummmm, how are they going to learn to write legibly if they never have to write?

We'll why should they have to learn to write legibly. The schools aren't producing anyone who can read what they write anyway.......
23 posted on 10/29/2005 1:28:25 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I guess that was what I was trying to say in my original post. Also, being a geezer, when I leave the office or home, I don't WANT to stay in touch with anyone. I finally got rid of my cellphone. (Great move for me.) It was becoming a pain in the ass. I don't consider my self so important that I need to be available and bothered by people 24/7. It's nice.


24 posted on 10/29/2005 1:29:06 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We Gave Peace A Chance. It Didn't Work Out. Search keyword: 09-11-01.)
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To: festus
Oh yea, I forgot about that. That's how Liberals ensure their voting base, "Here, come get welfare since you can't read. Oh and here's a free apartment, and Oh, a job and here ya go, you don't need to pay taxes. Just remember me on November 2nd! I'll be right here on line 3, see this ballot, you just push here..."
25 posted on 10/29/2005 1:32:58 PM PDT by Danae (Most Liberals don't drink the Kool-aide, they are licking the powder right out of the packet.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I agree. I have a friend that keeps telling me that I need to buy a palm pilot.

I've got a couple in a drawer... I run four businesses, but have never used them. I tried, but a legal pad, and a cedll phone are all I need.

26 posted on 10/29/2005 1:35:20 PM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: cloud8
The teacher "owns" the Tablet PC. Dan will use it in conjunction with his lesson plan.

The students will be focused on him, the lesson and the projected visuals. They'll still have paper textbooks, paper test papers and paper cuts!!!!

It seems a good Pythagorian foundation for the Socratic Method!

27 posted on 10/29/2005 2:32:18 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: Salvation

Our tax $$dollars$$ at work.


28 posted on 10/29/2005 3:49:41 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: pageonetoo

> I've got a couple in a drawer...

I'll give you 40 bucks for em :)


29 posted on 10/30/2005 5:28:39 AM PST by cloud8
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To: cloud8
They're in the drawer, 'cause my wife gave them to me, as gifts. I NEVER get rid of wife's gifts! I learned that early!


30 posted on 10/30/2005 6:50:56 AM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I agree. I have a friend that keeps telling me that I need to buy a palm pilot. He can't tell me why though. I love "gadgets" if they are useful.

The single best use of the Palm is the scheduler feature. It beeps at you when you set it to remind you of something.

I have a memory that is way too good for some things, but poor for remembering routine stuff that has to be done every week. This is where the Palm helps me, with convenient nagging.

The second best feature is the Contacts feature. You can have a phone book in your pocket. Not just numbers but emails and addresses.

Also, I use an encryption password keeper that keeps track of the 200+ passwords that I and my boss have.

Finally, it can do anything a bigger computer can do. Just not as fast. You can get programs for anything from engineering to cooking.

Very handy. Very useful.

31 posted on 10/30/2005 6:58:18 AM PST by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: pageonetoo
> NEVER get rid of wife's gifts! LOL Ain't it the truth! Check this out...The Ugly Ties Club.

Actually, the wife lugs around an address book the size of Webster's Third, and I've about convinced her that she needs a Palm. When all this stuff is integrated...cell, PDA, music, camera, Internet...I might even get one myself.

32 posted on 10/30/2005 7:01:00 AM PST by cloud8
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To: river rat
The ONLY "powerful tools" required in a classroom -- is a competent TEACHER..and disciplined students.

As long as discipline doesn't start to suppress healthy curiousity.

33 posted on 10/30/2005 7:09:38 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: cloud8
I have a Mac G4 PowerBook, and am getting used to the idea of using it "on the air". I use it at home with an Airport Extreme setup, and am thinking of going with Verizon's SLOWER, but WIDER, area WIFI service. I can just see me sitting in the woods, FReeping...

It is not a PDA, of course, and a Blackberry, or similar phone, are easier to lug. But, I can't read the little screen well enough, as my 17" one...

Besides, I can watch (OR MAKE) DVD's as well...

34 posted on 10/30/2005 7:10:58 AM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: HitmanNY
I'm also a Luddite in some ways...

You and me both. We're vacationing this weekend, it's our anniversary. We don't even own a cell phone (I have one for work that I only use when I'm on call. This morning I'm sitting in our room at the Shilo Inn at Bend, and all weekend the phone lines at this end of town have been out, so only way to get us would have been to send a messenger. But on the other hand, the motel's high speed internet connection has been out until this morning (and for some reason, I do like to have that available).

35 posted on 10/30/2005 10:24:49 AM PST by Clinging Bitterly (42)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
...and then the taxpayer will end up footing the bill for more of these things...

According to the article, that is exactly how it's going down in Eugene. The startup seems to have come from Palm, but subsequent years are presently being covered by "Uncle Sam".

36 posted on 10/30/2005 11:13:02 AM PST by Clinging Bitterly (42)
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To: Dave in Eugene of all places

Yep. Unless it's your Mother (and even then Dear Old Mom is STILL suspect) always look for the strings attached when something is given to you "for free." ;)


37 posted on 10/30/2005 12:34:33 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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