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Convicted Democrats? (vanity)

Posted on 10/29/2005 5:10:12 PM PDT by N2Gems

Can anyone point me to a list of democrats at the federal level that have been convicted of crimes vs. republicans?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: corruptdems
Can anyone point me to a list of democrats at the federal level that have been convicted of crimes vs. republicans?
1 posted on 10/29/2005 5:10:12 PM PDT by N2Gems
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To: N2Gems

Not a definitive list but you might enjoy this.

http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/ProRev/wwstats.htm


2 posted on 10/29/2005 5:14:33 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: N2Gems

Don't forget about the double-standard. A Republican commits a crime and "a culture of corruption" is uncovered. A Democrat commits a crime, such as taking sensitive classified documents out of the National Archives for the purpose of destroying them, and he gets a slap on the wrist.


3 posted on 10/29/2005 5:16:32 PM PDT by SaveTheChief ("I can't wait until I'm old enough to feel ways about stuff." - Phillip J. Fry)
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To: SaveTheChief

Did he even get a slap on the wrist?


4 posted on 10/29/2005 5:17:26 PM PDT by knightshadow
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To: knightshadow

I believe he had to pay a fine.


5 posted on 10/29/2005 5:18:35 PM PDT by SaveTheChief ("I can't wait until I'm old enough to feel ways about stuff." - Phillip J. Fry)
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To: SaveTheChief
I always like the one about Alabama (I think) Representative Alcee Hastings. As an impeached and convicted judge, he's not supposed to be allowed to hold any public office, yet he has served as an elected Representative for years.

Can you imagine a Republican getting such a pass?

6 posted on 10/29/2005 5:24:43 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: SaveTheChief

..and was probably reimbursed by hillary's slush fund.


7 posted on 10/29/2005 5:25:30 PM PDT by xcamel (No more RINOS - Not Now, Not Ever Again.)
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To: N2Gems

At least one I know of is arion Berry, former mayor of Washington D.C.. You know the one that said "That b*^ch set me up" fame.


8 posted on 10/29/2005 5:27:58 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (RADICAL ISLAM IS A CULT. IT MUST BE ERADICATED ASAP)
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To: Texas Eagle
Can you imagine a Republican getting such a pass?

It would never happen. This would be the top story for weeks on all the news shows.

9 posted on 10/29/2005 5:28:52 PM PDT by SaveTheChief ("I can't wait until I'm old enough to feel ways about stuff." - Phillip J. Fry)
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To: SaveTheChief

Aw, gee...poor fellow. I see. So, he's part of a TRUE conspiracy to protect Jamie Gorelick, and the whole Clinton administration, from the truth about how completely vulnerable those people left us to 9/11, and...he gets a fine. And the MSM acted like he was soooo maligned. How democrat. How MSM.

Of course, this is all merely a part of their long-time strategy to muddle the game and gain power via innuendo, accusation and allegation, because they can't win at the ballot box. As in the principle from psychology known as "projection," they and their abettors violently heap that of which THEY are guilty of, in the form of the most heinous accusations on their opponents. Their mere allegations, but backed by the MSM they become tangible in the minds of so many non-thinking people.


10 posted on 10/29/2005 5:30:29 PM PDT by knightshadow
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To: SaveTheChief

And then there's the case of Washington, D.C. mayor Marion (pronounced "Mary Jane") Barry (sp?). Would a Republican caught red-handed smoking crack face even a snowball's chance of regaining office?


11 posted on 10/29/2005 5:31:00 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: N2Gems
Does St Louis voter fraud count?
12 posted on 10/29/2005 5:31:08 PM PDT by Third Order
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To: SaveTheChief

Exactly! all democrat crimes are the result of the right wing being out to get them you know.


13 posted on 10/29/2005 5:32:09 PM PDT by ladyinred (It is all my fault okay?)
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To: N2Gems
But the Republicans are evil, and the democrats are wholesome and pure. The Mainstrem Media is totally objective.

Case in point? The saintly Hillary from an actual New York Times graphic, (I kid you not)

And her is a fair and unbiased enhancement of Condi Rice from USA Today this week:

(The actual photo before the USA Today forgery)


14 posted on 10/29/2005 5:32:50 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: N2Gems; Alamo-Girl

Bill Clinton and his entire Executive branch of government..

http://www.alamo-girl.com/


15 posted on 10/29/2005 5:34:21 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: saganite

I looked at your link and found this one.
http://prorev.com/legacy.htm


16 posted on 10/29/2005 5:35:39 PM PDT by Flifuss
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To: saganite

That was very interesting. I think it's worth the bandwidth

This from the THE PROGRESSIVE REVIEW of all places.

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ADMINISTRATION RECORDS SET
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad



HISTORICAL CONTEXT
- Number of independent counsel inquiries since the 1978 law was passed: 19
- Number that have produced indictments: 7
- Number that produced more convictions than the Starr investigation: 1
- Median length of investigations that have led to convictions: 44 months
- Length of Starr-Ray investigation (7/00): 67 months.
- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions to date (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 15
- Median cost per Starr investigation conviction: $3.5 million as of 3/00
- Total cost of the Starr investigation (3/00) $52 million
- Total cost of the Iran-Contra investigation: $48.5 million
- Total cost to taxpayers of the Madison Guarantee failure: $73 million
- Number of Clinton cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3


CRIME STATS
- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of imprisonments: 14
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pled the 5th Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 124


CAMPAIGN FINANCE INVESTIGATION
- As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals.
- According to the House Committee on Government Reform in September 2000, 79 House and Senate witnesses asserted the Fifth Amendment in the course of investigations into Gore's last fundraising campaign. [These figures are included in the larger figures elsewhere].
-James Riady entered a plea agreement to pay an $8.5 million fine for campaign finance crimes. This was a record under campaign finance laws.


STARR INVESTIGATION


- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas to date (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 15
- Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3


SMALTZ INVESTIGATION
- Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15
- Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6
- Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million
- Cost of investigation: $22.2 million through 9/99
- Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million
- Amount Tyson Food still has in annual government contracts: $200 million
- Reasons individuals other than Espy were convicted or pled guilty: Concealing knowledge of gifts to Espy and his girlfriend (1), providing illegal gratuities to Espy(4), illegally supplementing the salary of a government official (2), concealing receipt of illegal funds on behalf of Espy (1) (Espy's chief of staff sentenced to prison in this case)


CRIMES FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED
Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery(4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts(1), illegal campaign contributions(5), money laundering (6)


POSSIBLE CRIMES AND SUSPICIOUS MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS, CONGRESS,
AND/OR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS
Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, illegal acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, illegal futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, as well as providing access to the White House to drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime.


UNEXPLAINED PHENOMENA
- FBI files misappropriated by the White House: c. 900
- Estimated number of witnesses quoted in FBI files misappropriated by the White House: 18,000
- Number of witnesses who developed medical problems at critical points in Clinton scandals investigation (Tucker, Hale, both McDougals, Lindsey): 5
- Problem areas listed in a memo by Clinton's own lawyer in preparation for the president's defense: 40
- Number of witnesses and critics of Clinton subjected to IRS audit: 45
- Number of names placed in a White House secret database without the knowledge of those named: c. 200,000
- Number of persons involved with Clinton who have been beaten up: 2
- Number of women involved with Clinton who claim to have been physically threatened (Sally Perdue, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Elizabeth Ward Gracen): 5
- Number of men involved in the Clinton scandals who have been beaten up or claimed to have been intimidated: 10


ARKANSAS SUDDEN DEATH SYNDROME
- Number of persons in the Clinton machine orbit who are alleged to have committed suicide: 9
- Number known to have been murdered: 12
- Number who died in plane crashes: 6
- Number who died in single car automobile accidents: 3
- Number killed during Waco massacre: 4
- Number of one-person sking fatalities: 1
- Number of key witnesses who have died of heart attacks while in federal custody under questionable circumstances: 1
- Number of medications being taken by Jim McDougal at the time he was placed in solitary confinement shortly before his death: 12
- Number of unexplained deaths: 4
- Total suspicious deaths: 46
- Number of northern Mafia killings during peak years of 1968-78: 30
- Number of Dixie Mafia killings during same period: 156


ARKANSAS ALZHEIMER'S
- Number of times Hillary Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in a statement to a House investigating committee: 50
- Number of paragraphs in this statement: 42
- Number of times Bill Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in the released portions of the his testimony on Paula Jones: 271
- Total number of facts or events not recalled before official bodies by Bill Kennedy, Harold Ickes, Ricki Seidman, Bruce Lindsey, Bill Burton, Mark Gearan, Mack McLarty, Neil Eggleston, John Podesta, Jennifer O'Connor, Dwight Holton, Patsy Thomasson, Jeff Eller, Beth Nolan, Cliff Sloan, Bernard Nussbaum, George Stephanopoulous, Roy Neel, Rahm Emanuel, Maggie Williams, David Tarbell, Susan Thomases, Webster Hubbell, Roger Altman, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton: 6,125
- Average occurrence of memory lapse by top administration figures while before official bodies: 235


ARKANSAS MONEY MANAGEMENT
- Amount of an alleged electronic transfer from the Arkansas Development Financial Authority to a bank in the Cayman Islands during 1980s: $50 million
- Grand Cayman's population: 18,000
- Number of commercial banks: 570
- Number of bank regulators: 1
- Amount Arkansas state pension fund invested in high-risk repos in the mid-80s in one purchase in April 1985: $52 million through the Worthen Bank.
- Number of days thereafter that the state's brokerage firm went belly up: 3
- Amount Arkansas pension fund dropped overnight as a result: 15%
- Percent of Worthen bank that Mochtar Riady bought over the next four months to bail out the bank and the then governor, Bill Clinton: 40%.
- Percent of purchasers from the Clintons and McDougals of resort lots who lost the land because of the sleazy financing provisions: over 50%


THE MEDIA
- Number of journalists covering Whitewater who have been fired, transferred off the beat, resigned or otherwise gotten into trouble because of their work on the scandals (Doug Frantz, Jim Wooten, Richard Behar, Christopher Ruddy, Michael Isikoff, David Eisenstadt, Yinh Chan, Jonathan Broder, James R. Norman, Zoh Hieronimus): 10


FRIENDS OF BILL
- Number of times John Huang took the 5th Amendment in answer to questions during a Judicial Watch deposition: 1,000
- Visits made to the White House by investigation subjects Johnny Chung, James Riady, John Huang, and Charlie Trie. 160
- Number of campaign contributors who got overnights at the White House in the two years before the 1996 election: 577
- Number of members of Thomas Boggs's law firm who have held top positions in the Clinton administration. 18
- Number of times John Huang was briefed by CIA: 37
- Number of calls Huang made from Commerce Department to Lippo banks: 261
- Number of intelligence reports Huang read while at Commerce: 500


POLITICAL FALL-OUT
- According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, Democrats held a 1,542 seat lead in the state bodies in 1990. As of November 2000 that lead had shrunk to 288. That's a loss of over 1,200 state legislative seats, nearly all of them under Clinton. Across the US, the Democrats controlled only 65 more state senate seats than the Republicans.


Further, in 1992, the Democrats controlled 17 more state legislatures than the Republicans. After November, the Republicans control one more than the Democrats. Not only was this a loss of 9 legislatures under Clinton, but it was the first time since 1954 that the GOP had controlled more state legislatures than the Democrats (they tied in 1968).


Here's what happened to the Democrats under Clinton:


- GOP seats gained in House since Clinton became president: 48
- GOP seats gained in Senate since Clinton became president: 8
- GOP governorships gained since Clinton became president: 11
- GOP state legislative seats gained since Clinton became president: 1,254
as of 1998
- State legislatures taken over by GOP since Clinton became president: 9
- Democrat officeholders who have become Republicans since Clinton became
president: 439 as of 1998
- Republican officeholders who have become Democrats since Clinton became president: 3


17 posted on 10/29/2005 5:37:05 PM PDT by DogBarkTree
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To: Flifuss

Same thing


18 posted on 10/29/2005 5:43:05 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: N2Gems

You might want to sort through these lists:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=leftistcrime

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=ratviolence

Of course, the list of criminal RATs is always growing so you'll be sure to add more for years to come.


19 posted on 10/29/2005 5:47:09 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (The problem with being a 'big tent' Party is that the clowns are seated with the paying customers.)
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To: saganite

I know, but I liked the list of "I don't know"s


20 posted on 10/29/2005 5:48:48 PM PDT by Flifuss
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To: saganite

Hillary, 250 times.


21 posted on 10/29/2005 5:51:54 PM PDT by Flifuss
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To: Flifuss

Yeah, good stuff in there and it makes you realize what a tempest in a teapot the current "scandal" is


22 posted on 10/29/2005 5:53:04 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: Flifuss
This is the list I get a laugh out of....
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FROM THE WASHINGTON TIMES: In the portions of President Clinton's Jan. 17 deposition that have been made public in the Paula Jones case, his memory failed him 267 times. This is a list of his answers and how many times he gave each one.

I don't remember - 71
I don't know - 62
I'm not sure - 17
I have no idea - 10
I don't believe so - 9
I don't recall - 8
I don't think so - 8
I don't have any specific recollection - 6
I have no recollection - 4
Not to my knowledge - 4
I just don't remember - 4
I don't believe - 4
I have no specific recollection - 3
I might have - 3
I don't have any recollection of that - 2 I don't have a specific memory - 2
I don't have any memory of that - 2
I just can't say - 2
I have no direct knowledge of that - 2
I don't have any idea - 2
Not that I recall - 2
I don't believe I did - 2
I can't remember - 2
I can't say - 2
I do not remember doing so - 2
Not that I remember - 2
I'm not aware - 1
I honestly don't know - 1
I don't believe that I did - 1
I'm fairly sure - 1
I have no other recollection - 1
I'm not positive - 1
I certainly don't think so - 1
I don't really remember - 1
I would have no way of remembering that - 1
That's what I believe happened - 1
To my knowledge, no - 1
To the best of my knowledge - 1
To the best of my memory - 1
I honestly don't recall - 1
I honestly don't remember - 1
That's all I know - 1
I don't have an independent recollection of that - 1
I don't actually have an independent memory of that - 1
As far as I know - 1
I don't believe I ever did that - 1
That's all I know about that - 1
I'm just not sure - 1
Nothing that I remember - 1
I simply don't know - 1
I would have no idea - 1
I don't know anything about that - 1
I don't have any direct knowledge of that - 1
I just don't know - 1
I really don't know - 1
I can't deny that, I just -- I have no memory of that at all - 1

23 posted on 10/29/2005 5:56:45 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (Cubs fan....Giving a shout to the Chi-Sox)
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To: saganite
thanks for getting my interest up with your initial link.
this was my first post. I have been a long time reader of FR, but just signed up for one issue I have been researching. I'm tired of those who call this an illegal war. I was going to do a vanity post about it for my first post, but, this topic got me because it has so much in common with my topic...how can Clinton get so many passes for his acts and not the current administation.....more to comoe.
24 posted on 10/29/2005 6:00:53 PM PDT by Flifuss (I'm a Jenius)
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To: saganite

er..to come...dang it, I spell checked.


25 posted on 10/29/2005 6:02:10 PM PDT by Flifuss (I'm a Jenius)
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To: saganite

Sorry about the I'm a Jenius tag, saw it on a t-shirt and bought it for my nephew


26 posted on 10/29/2005 6:05:00 PM PDT by Flifuss (I'm a Jenius)
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To: saganite

ping for later


27 posted on 10/29/2005 6:13:55 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Funny how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather...)
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To: Flifuss

Google has a spell check on their tool bar which has saved me numerous embarrassing mistakes.


28 posted on 10/29/2005 6:22:20 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: SaveTheChief

I wonder if it was a liberal judge?


29 posted on 10/29/2005 6:31:18 PM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: N2Gems

Its kinda hard to get an accurate list since the MSM, when reporting crimes committed by Democrats, rarely mention the persons political affiliation. Whereas when they report a crime reported by a Republican, with very rare exceptions, the political affiliation always gets mentioned.


30 posted on 10/29/2005 7:02:31 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: N2Gems

I was thinking about this yesterday or the day before. Found several from Clinton like, Espy, Secretary of Agriculture, and Pena (?) Sec. of Transportation (?), the one with the payoffs to mistress who omitted paying taxes who is head of the Spanish TV network now, and a couple from Carter. What I started to wonder about is has there been any Democrat national officeholder, cabinet member or anybody as high as Sandy Burglar since Nixon administration who went to jail or do they only get rapped on the knuckles? Anybody know? I can't remember any.


31 posted on 10/29/2005 7:05:05 PM PDT by penowa
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To: saganite

Thanks for the lists. They need to be on NYT or WaPo... Well, we can always dream...


32 posted on 10/29/2005 7:07:27 PM PDT by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: hosepipe

Thank you for linking to the Downside Legacy!!!


33 posted on 10/29/2005 7:26:39 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: hosepipe; N2Gems
Here's a link to the specific prosecutions section of the Downside Legacy.
34 posted on 10/29/2005 7:28:27 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: N2Gems
Don't forget the most infamous of the pre-'94 congress-critters, Daniel Rostenkowski
35 posted on 10/29/2005 8:14:20 PM PDT by impatient (clichéd dissenting republican)
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