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U.S. Ship In N. Korea (USS Pueblo) Get Her Back
The Washington Times ^ | 10/29/05 | Andrew Salmon

Posted on 10/29/2005 7:35:16 PM PDT by takbodan

PYONGYANG, North Korea -- In the center of the North Korean capital floats a commissioned vessel of the U.S. Navy. The USS Pueblo, a spy ship captured by the North in 1968, is moored on a bank of the Daedong River. Despite quiet U.S. moves in recent years to secure its return, the vessel still functions as tourist attraction, trophy and symbol of anti-American struggle.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: northkorea; usn; usspueblo
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To: Bobibutu

In the background, as is usual the military guaranteed armed help if for any reason it was needed. It was an empty promise..


21 posted on 10/29/2005 8:17:33 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: cynicom

BTW - http://www.mishalov.com/pueblo.html


22 posted on 10/29/2005 8:17:38 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: Bobibutu

Bucher made that plain time after time.


23 posted on 10/29/2005 8:19:17 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: Mr. Rational
Would be interesting way to start a war - give them an untimatum, then just go in and take it, accidentally taking the capital along the way for "security perimeter". Only half kidding.

Not kidding at all

Launch a First Strike.

24 posted on 10/29/2005 8:19:20 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: takbodan

If any country needed a demonstration of precision aerial bombing it would be this one at this time.


25 posted on 10/29/2005 8:19:49 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Bobibutu

In that business, the military makes a lot of promises. One rigid rule however is that the acft or ship NEVER fall into enemy hands.


26 posted on 10/29/2005 8:21:24 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: cynicom

"In the background, as is usual the military guaranteed armed help if for any reason it was needed. It was an empty promise.."

Yeah - the nearest Carrier had all planes on deck armed with nukes - Duh.


27 posted on 10/29/2005 8:21:54 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: takbodan

They need to sink it, we don't give up downed war planes. Send a anti-ship missile into it at midnite so we only kill north korean soldiers.


28 posted on 10/29/2005 8:24:36 PM PDT by Jewelsetter
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To: takbodan

Let's trade them even-up for the Clinton lie-brary.


29 posted on 10/29/2005 8:25:14 PM PDT by Nachoman
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To: takbodan

We should sink the ship. As I understand it the North Koreans beat our men and treated them shamefully.


30 posted on 10/29/2005 8:26:12 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Bobibutu

"It's a bad sign that the Western intelligence experts who monitor North Korean ports and examine satellite images didn't notice that the Pueblo had moved. President Bush's "refusal to engage North Korea, as the Clinton administration had done, has already led the North to revive plutonium production. Mr. Bush's backup plan is to stop North Korean nuclear proliferation by intercepting nuclear materials as they leave the country - but that's wishful thinking. If we couldn't detect the transfer of a famous 176-foot ship, it's ludicrous to think we could stop the smuggling of a grapefruit-size chunk of plutonium."

Thanks for the link and pictures. Kristoff gives the impression the ship sailed to Pyongyang under while Bush was in power. It sailed in 1999 while clinton was in office.


31 posted on 10/29/2005 8:27:01 PM PDT by takbodan (.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Actually it would be nice to blow it up with a cruise missile or six and then send ol Kim a message, "We have long memories, and never ever forget."
32 posted on 10/29/2005 8:27:02 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: cynicom
They were not supposed to give up the ship.

The crew had only two poorly maintained 50 cal machine guns and their side arms to defend the ship. The jackass who permitted the ship to leave in that condition worked across the desk from my dad at the Pentagon.

33 posted on 10/29/2005 8:27:49 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Bobibutu

"It's a bad sign that the Western intelligence experts who monitor North Korean ports and examine satellite images didn't notice that the Pueblo had moved. President Bush's "refusal to engage North Korea, as the Clinton administration had done, has already led the North to revive plutonium production. Mr. Bush's backup plan is to stop North Korean nuclear proliferation by intercepting nuclear materials as they leave the country - but that's wishful thinking. If we couldn't detect the transfer of a famous 176-foot ship, it's ludicrous to think we could stop the smuggling of a grapefruit-size chunk of plutonium."

Thanks for the link and pictures. Kristoff gives the impression the ship sailed to Pyongyang under while Bush was in power. It sailed in 1999 while clinton was in office.


34 posted on 10/29/2005 8:27:51 PM PDT by takbodan (.)
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To: cynicom
They were not supposed to give up the ship.

I don't think our men had much of a choice. Air support wasn't scrambled in time. It was kind of a stark choice the North Koreans gave them.

35 posted on 10/29/2005 8:27:58 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Bobibutu
Long ago, one time we were guaranteed that if shot down in enemy territory, and survived, we would be snagged out on a high line. Now you know we bought that, don't you?
36 posted on 10/29/2005 8:28:07 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: cynicom

Ah - we can get into a peeing match - but what for? It was a blunder that we learned from. Butcher passed away a few years ago - lived in North County San Diego - a good man.

I agree - never give up the ship - however when faced with what he was in real time - I cut him a lot of slack. I think he did the right thing and saved his crew.

We can build ships and aircraft - what does it take to replace a trained man or woman?


37 posted on 10/29/2005 8:28:53 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: Americanexpat
If we strike, we should strike to sever the head from the snake. It is reckless to lob cruise missiles at a tent or a tourist ship. Any strike should be decisive, strategic, and ... personal.
38 posted on 10/29/2005 8:30:50 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: takbodan

"It's a bad sign that the Western intelligence experts who monitor North Korean ports and examine satellite images didn't notice that the Pueblo had moved"

File under "lessons learned" and cross yur fingers.


39 posted on 10/29/2005 8:30:52 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: Bobibutu

I was all with Bucher...I just know what you are told.


40 posted on 10/29/2005 8:31:48 PM PDT by cynicom
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