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Apart from vomitoriums and orgies, what did the Romans do for us?
Guardian (U.K.) ^ | Saturday October 29, 2005 | Mary Beard

Posted on 10/30/2005 1:05:06 AM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: Moonman62
One thing I read in Durant's books is he thought Rome declined because technological advancements were eventually suppressed in order to preserve jobs.

Labor Unions? Looking through the big end of the telescope from our vantage point, we would see the rise of the labor movement to be a paradoxically antisocial eddy of history right along with "tolerance" and "diversity."

I have been coming to believe that diversity caused the fall of Rome. As they allowed more and more conquered civilizations to have citizenship the ideal of what it meant to be a Roman became diluted until it meant nothing at all. "Tolerance" leads to paralysis in the face of those who would have you dead.

61 posted on 10/30/2005 5:29:52 AM PST by ichabod1 (PC equals aPCzment)
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To: snowsislander
I myself count the spreading of foie gras production from the Egyptians and Greeks as a very important Roman contribution to our world also. ;-)

I do have plebian tastes, but I put foie gras in the same category as caviar – eaten more for the status than the taste. I suppose I could (with a lot of dedication) develop a taste for them, but I haven’t yet developed a taste for cottage cheese, broccoli or cheap Scotch either.
62 posted on 10/30/2005 5:30:53 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Savage Beast
the Left today represents Decadence

No doubt your statement is true, but they also represent an amazing type of muddled thinking that is borderline (or perhaps actually) psychotic. The rantings of Howard Dean, Moveon.org, PETA, Michael Moore, Barbra Streisand, and others represent a bizarre alternative world the likes of which could not possibly stand if implemented, and in fact don't even stand the simple test of common sense.

63 posted on 10/30/2005 5:31:43 AM PST by Hardastarboard
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To: nickcarraway

Sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health.


64 posted on 10/30/2005 5:34:06 AM PST by Casloy
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To: Moonman62
I think the spread of Christianity was unintentional

Unintentional from the Romans' point of view.
Lions 1, Christians 0

But I think that both Christ (remember Constantine) and the Christians very much intended Christianity to spread.

Cheers!

65 posted on 10/30/2005 6:40:54 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Moonman62
One thing I read in Durant's books is he thought Rome declined because technological advancements were eventually suppressed in order to preserve jobs.

Anti-decline Sarcasm Torpedo ARMED. FIRE!!

You mean like illegal immigration from Latin America and the US agricultural, construction, and service industries.

Or outsourcing technical jobs to dictatorial juntas like China or Third-World places like India...

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you meant jobs for US citizens. Naah, all we get are "bread and circuses" (welfare and TV--Oprah and Lifetime on cable for the women, ESPN for the men).

Cheers!

66 posted on 10/30/2005 6:44:47 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Savage Beast
I doubt many read the story before having an opinion of it, but you're right.

Incidentally, I came across this vomitous series while traveling and staying in hotel rooms. It, along with the other programming I encountered, have led me to believe that HBO is "The Perversion Channel"...am I right?

67 posted on 10/30/2005 6:48:30 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: nickcarraway; blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; asp1; ..
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68 posted on 10/30/2005 8:47:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Watery Tart

I'm amazed it took 31 posts before someone posted it.


69 posted on 10/30/2005 9:39:58 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: ichabod1
We don't get HBO, so I've not watched it. Re the loss of freedom, I agree. Little by little, it's going away and most Americans don't even know they're losing it. Sad, IMO.

Carolyn

70 posted on 10/30/2005 10:35:47 AM PST by CDHart (The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.)
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To: nickcarraway

the aqueduct?


71 posted on 10/30/2005 10:54:33 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Why a duck?


72 posted on 10/30/2005 11:24:39 AM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: Cincinatus

Our short hairstyles are roman hairstyles, too.

I like this series on HBO - anyone else?


73 posted on 10/30/2005 11:32:15 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: ichabod1

"I think I understand why Rome needed a Caesar, because I think I see why WE are going to need a caesar to bail our butts out of the crack we're getting ourselves into, and when I was younger I would never have bought into that idea."

So, you think a dictator could solve all our problems?

Fascinating. Tell more!


74 posted on 10/30/2005 11:37:52 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: adam_az
So, you think a dictator could solve all our problems?

Fascinating. Tell more!

First, I'm not calling for a dictator. I understand that the problems that come with a dictator are not outweighed by the benefits. As another poster posted to me, "For every Hadrian or Marcus Aurelius, you get a Commodus or Nero."

My thesis is that we're heading for a dictatorship whether we like it or not, that it's been the fate of Republics throughout history, and that we've tended to delude ourselves into thinking it couldn't happen here.

I think we all see the rule of law breaking down. If it continues, if the population of those who have never known the rule of law continues to grow, if we have a few more attacks on our soil and it becomes apparent that the government can't/won't protect us from them, the people are going to start looking for a strong man that can get the job done.

I'm already ready to vote for a hard liner, but I don't think that the situation is dire enough yet that a real hard liner will get far enough to have a real chance at the top job. Now putting a hard case in the WH doesn't equate to a dictatorship or a president for life, but it's a step on the way.

On the other side chaos could lead to a banana republic style oligarchy where the only laws that are enforced are the ones that enrich the top ruling cadre and its friends.

Then again, we could go communist. The ways we could go with a dictatorship are numerous. I guess we need to work harder to save the Republic.

75 posted on 10/30/2005 1:48:10 PM PST by ichabod1 (PC equals aPCzment)
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To: ElkGroveDan

The Romans gave us a language - Latin. The basic communications medium for medicine, the law, religion, biology and countless others. Learn Latin, and you too can conquer the 'known world'...


76 posted on 10/30/2005 2:33:28 PM PST by Paisan
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To: nickcarraway

Look at our government and military. The very structure dates back to Rome. Roads and other large civic projects. I think Rome had the first sewer. The list is much longer than I can remember.


77 posted on 10/30/2005 2:36:05 PM PST by bigsigh
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To: SunTzuWu; billbears

Well, the Committee talked it over....

78 posted on 10/30/2005 3:09:29 PM PST by Watery Tart ("Before I can embrace freedom, I should be aware of what duties I have." ~~Vince Lombardi)
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To: billbears; Watery Tart
I'm amazed it took 31 posts before someone posted it.

Anyone shocked a poster named "Watery Tart" did it.

79 posted on 10/30/2005 3:13:02 PM PST by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: bigsigh
I think Rome had the first sewer.

Yes, they did give us the Senate.

80 posted on 10/30/2005 3:29:51 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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