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So Take a Full Hour: Mapes Claims Docs Can't Be 'Easily Dismissed' as Forgeries
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Posted on 11/01/2005 2:48:57 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

In the upcoming December issue of Vanity Fair, Mary Mapes, the CBS News producer who lost her job after the disputed "60 Minutes II" Bush/National Guard report, writes, "I must answer the bloggers, the babblers and blabbers, and the true believers who have called me everything from 'feminazi' to an 'elitist liberal' to an 'idiot.'

"If I was an idiot, it was for believing in a free press that is able to do its job without fear or favor. ...I didn't know that the attack on our story was going to be as effective as a brilliantly run national political campaign, because that is what it was: a political campaign."

The December article, not yet generally available, is an excerpt from Mapes' soon-to-be-publihsed book, "Truth and Duty" (St. Martin's) on her career and the episode often called Rathergate. Vanity Fair says Mapes sets out to "answer her critics."

Mapes writes that she had felt the Guard segment was a big success after airing on Sept. 8, 2004, until the following morning at 11 a.m. when she learned that a bunch of "far-right" Web sites were claiming that documents were forged.

That same day about 3 p.m. she recalls staring at the Drudge Report and seeing a big picture of Rather at the top and a headline saying that he was "shaken" and hiding in his office. The phone rang and it was Rather, telling her he'd just heard about the Drudge deadline and he wanted to assure her that he was not "shaken" and was not even in his office.

He signed off with a favorite expression of his: "FEA" for "---- them all."

She writes that what she didn't know at the time was that the attack on the "60 Minutes" piece was just part of the Bushites "sliming" of those who raised questions about the president.

Aftdr detailing the unraveling of the Guard segment, Mapes describes crying her eyes out at an airport bathroom after Rather tells her by phone that CBS was going to apologize for the report and appoint a commitee to investigate what went wrong. Rather also told her to get a lawyer.

Finally, she details how in that probe the question of how "liberal" she was became paramount. She likens it to the days of Sen. Joe McCarthy and charges that it was ironic that the same network that stood up to McCarthy with the Edward R. Murrow broadcasts was now caving in to similar tactics now: "Suspected liberals had become the new 'Communists...What in the world would Edward R. Murrow think of his network now?"

In the end she observes that the outside panel that probed the report and found correct procedures were lacking did not investigate the legitimacy of the documents. She claims that a researcher has since shown her typography on other documents from the period Bush was in the Guard that suggest that the memos she obtained can not be easily dismissed "as being forgeries."

She also calls one of the co-leaders of that probe, Dick Thornburgh, worse than an "empty suit...He was completely full if it."

Throughout the article, Vanity Fair frequently cuts away for bracketed response from others involved in the episode who answer or rebut some of her charges.

At one point, for example, she asserts that CBS News chief Andrew Heyward said that if the bloggers could come up with "lousy analysts" to attack the authenticity of the memos CBS could find its own "lousy analysts." In an e-mail to Vanity Fair, Heyward denied this.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: cbs; mapes; mapesforbrains; marymapes; rather; rathergate
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To: Loud Mime
Liberalism is a religion...like Islam.

The idolatry of Marxist paganism...

It is no coincidence Islamic pagans hate Israel, Jews, Christians and Western Civilization. The entire basis of Western Civilization is Mosaic Law, something both the Neo-Pagan Left and the pagan Islamic thugs cannot abide and wish to destroy.

The proliferation of psychics, seers, soothsayers, healers, gurus, UFO cults, conspiracy cults, witches, etc., etc., ad nauseum, is a social psychosis, an occulted (or masked) promotion of Leftist propaganda, a social psychosis of Cultural Marxism.

Marxism and the numerous forms of Cultural Marxism are a religion, a collection of cults. In many cases they worship a dead Karl Marx like some (and I stress some) Christians worship a dead Jesus, and not a living God. This is no more apparent than in the practice of enshrinement and regular grooming of Lenin’s corpse in the former Soviet Union, the use of Princess Diana, Martin Luther King Jr. and other dead people. Bovine excrement of Sacred Cows.

New Age induces a benevolent relaxation that may be disabling in the face of aggression. In a world of terrorism, New Agers can only take to the hills and leave their scriptures in jars at Esalen.

(Camille Paglia, Cults and Cosmic Consciousness: Religious Vision in the American 1960s, http://www.bu.edu/arion/paglia_cults00.htm)

I encourage you read some of the interviews that have been done with Bin Laden (ABC News Interview, http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/transcript_binladen1_990110.htm) then compare it to the recommended rhetoric for Marxists to use (look around on the Marxists.org http://www.marxists.org/glossary/subject/basic-politics.htm" target="_blank webpage - they have articles about it) to help bring about the revolution. They have taken a medieval religion, mutated it, and grafted it on to Marxism. This is what their philosophy is based on, and they have allies everywhere there are Marxists.

The parallel between the ACLU attack on the public display of the Ten Commandments, the removal of the Ten Commandment monument in the Alabama Supreme Court and the Taliban blowing up ancient Buddhist statues in Afghanistan are most notable comparisons in this respect. It is just like the legal attack on the United States’ Pledge of Allegiance, the demand for removal of a cross on the seal of the city of Los Angeles while ignoring the presence of the pagan goddess depicted next to it.

Like the necromancy of the late Senator Paul Wellstone’s funeral rally, or "funerally" (see the Steven Plaut article, The Rise Of Tikkun Olam Paganism, Arutz Sheva: December 27, 2002, http://www.arutzsheva.com/article.php3?id=1760 in reference to the Wellstone brand of Judaism), the use of Martin Luther King Day, or constantly invoking the "spirit of the ‘60’s," the Left attempts to raise spirits of the dead as a totem for worship. This occurred with respect to Diana, Princess of Wales, following her "tragic" death in 1997.

Consider the seemingly coincidental circumstance that Diana is also the name of a pagan Greek goddess, and idolatry. The figurative deification of Princess Diana and the massive outpouring of public grief are a form of civil worship. The heaping of flowers at Kensington Palace as if it were a shrine, melodramatic eulogizing and the political expressions of how the world should comply with her posthumous intent concerning certain issues is a modern use of idolatry. Royalty magazine, in a special edition, had a large drop quote spanning across two pages: "She needed no royal title… to generate her particular brand of magic." The whole magazine is about pet Leftist political causes mixed in with the pictures and soliloquy about her sainthood. A Golden Calf.

This idolatry also partly played into the modern conflict of pagan vs. Judaic concerning her billionaire playboy lover, Dodi Al Fayed. Although many consider Islamic belief to be of Judaic origin, it is pagan. The crescent symbolizing Islam was also used to symbolize the pagan goddesses (Diana, Isis, etc.) and used by modern neo-pagan nut cases as an icon. The use of the bedrock at the Dome of the Rock and the meteorite at the Kaaba as an excuse to label it an Islamic holy site, is idolatry. The three goddesses, daughters of Allah, are also contrary to the idea that Muslim faith is monotheistic.

There is a clear connection between modern neo-paganism and ancient paganism related to Islamic conflict with the Judaic roots of Christendom. A focus on how this is manifested in a modern sense only requires a look at pop-culture icons in entertainment, sports "heroes," and attempts by the Left to use a pseudo-Christian sense of pagan moralistic idolatry to demonize political opposition. I present to you the attack on U.S. Senator Rick Santorum for his comments on sodomy as a useful example. A Sacred Cow.

Another example is Michael Jackson. With the undying support of his "fans" (or fanatics) in the face of his more than questionable activities concerning the abuse of children, they still hold him up as an idol. Jackson, both in his family life as a child and his adult life, is a modern extension of pedagogical pagan pedophilia of previous ages in ancient civilizations. Look at the macabre pagan elements of Jackson's video, Thriller.

Michael Jackson had Nation of Islam thugs as bodyguards escorting him after a court appearance through the throngs of frenzied supporters. Is Jackson their new pharaoh? Nation of Islam is a militant racist cult. Their leaders, Louis Farrakhan (the numerologist) and Kahlid Abdul Mohammed, are known Jew haters. They also support many illogical and socially subversive Leftist political activities intent on tearing down the structures of Modern Western Civilization and capitalism. (Is it coincidence Michael Jackson has taken up residence in Brunei???)

Astrology arises from the pagan Chaldean cults of Babylon. We now know Babylon as Iraq. The Tigris-Euphrates Valley is the cradle of human civilization and has never known freedom in all of history. Is it coincidence? Is it coincidence the Neo-Pagan, New Age mystery cults of Leftist politics are so animated in their opposition to bringing freedom and the Judaic principles of justice to Iraq? Is it coincidence that many domestic social issues are being driven by cultic Leftist advocacy of unnatural, phantasmagoric perversity? Is it coincidence that they have such a seething hatred of George W. Bush?

141 posted on 11/01/2005 5:59:04 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: ken5050
Man, if we had the internet and talk radio in 1964, we might well have elected Barry..

Yeah, but we would have gotten ourselves into a long unwinnable war and had riots in the streets, no wait....nevermind.

142 posted on 11/01/2005 6:00:25 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I didn't know that the attack on our story was going to be as effective as a brilliantly run national political campaign, because that is what it was: a political campaign."

Mary... Mary.

You're right. But you ran your "political campaign" disguised as news for 30 years, and it couldn't last forever.
Time to get a real job.
And yes, you are a whining idiot.

143 posted on 11/01/2005 6:09:34 AM PST by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: ken5050
Man, if we had the internet and talk radio in 1964, we might well have elected Barry..

Yep. Imagine how fast and easily we could have exposed Johnson's fake war medal.

144 posted on 11/01/2005 6:10:07 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: chronic_loser
having sex with your guns

This "lost freedom of the press" and the great fear in newsrooms that Rather talks about, is emanating from the fact that their a story doesn't quite check out. And Mapes thinks she should be off the hook because the story is not "easily" disproven.

145 posted on 11/01/2005 6:14:10 AM PST by alrea
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This pathetic far-left wing extremist lesbian moron got ONE thing right!!! Liberals are the NEW COMMUNISTS!!!!!
wHICH IS MY FAVORITE AND OFT USED EXPRESSION,..........COMMUDEMS!!!


146 posted on 11/01/2005 6:16:03 AM PST by Doc Savage (...because they stand on a wall, and they say nothing is going to hurt you tonight, not on my watch!)
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To: laredo44

LOL. Well, Ol' Thorny was on TV yesterday saying nice things about Alito.


147 posted on 11/01/2005 6:17:08 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (read my posts on Today show bias at www.newsbusters.org)
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To: Doc Savage

Hey Doc, have that left pinkie looked at. It is getting away on ya.


148 posted on 11/01/2005 6:18:44 AM PST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

A year later and Mapes is still stuck on stupid.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.


149 posted on 11/01/2005 6:21:47 AM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Condor51; Wormwood

Thanks. Wormwood had originally posted Verona, then corrected it to Venona. I redid my search and did come up with a bunch of stuff. Please see #66.


150 posted on 11/01/2005 6:22:40 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (read my posts on Today show bias at www.newsbusters.org)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
She likens it to the days of Sen. Joe McCarthy and charges that it was ironic that the same network that stood up to McCarthy with the Edward R. Murrow broadcasts was now caving in to similar tactics now: "Suspected liberals had become the new 'Communists...What in the world would Edward R. Murrow think of his network now?"

I am a proud McCarthyite. Anyone who works to expose communists within our nation -- past, present or future -- is a hero of mine. Quoting from The Exhumation of Joe McCarthy:

"Is it possible that there was a vast Communist plot to subvert American democracy, and only McCarthy understood the depth of the problem? The new McCarthyites claim their reappraisal was triggered by new evidence: the declassification of a series of documents from the Soviet archives known as the Verona cables. These documents do indeed show that some of the individuals defended by the 1950s left and savaged by McCarthy were actually Soviet spies. The most prominent is the left's old cause celebre, Alger Hiss.

This is a serious blow, and it should be honestly acknowledged. A minority of people on the left are still inclined to see 1950s Stalinists as misguided idealists, decent believers in equality and liberty who somehow went astray. This is unsustainable. By the time Hiss was offering his secrets to Stalin's agents, the news about the gulags - vast concentration camps which slaughtered over 15 million innocent people - was out and beyond dispute. The US has many flaws, but it is lunatic to believe it is domestically equivalent to this; there are no mass graves in Kansas."

Also check out the Freeper post, Spies Among Us (withering critique of NY Times Commie Coverage) .

151 posted on 11/01/2005 6:24:14 AM PST by PhilipFreneau ("The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God." -- Psalms 14:1, 53:1)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

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152 posted on 11/01/2005 6:25:42 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: xp38

Excellent Bard of Avon reference! Ah, the Two Gentlemen of Verona!


153 posted on 11/01/2005 6:26:26 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (read my posts on Today show bias at www.newsbusters.org)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
. ...I didn't know that the attack on our storypolitical hack job was going to be as effective as a brilliantly run national political campaign,"

There...I fixed her blather...
154 posted on 11/01/2005 6:34:25 AM PST by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: beezdotcom

Thanks, I'm sure Mary appreciates the correction ;-)


155 posted on 11/01/2005 6:35:20 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (read my posts on Today show bias at www.newsbusters.org)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Suspected liberals aren't the new communists; they're precisely the same as the old communists! In fact, most of each are both!

Sharing the same zeal for unworkable idealism, disdain for truth and deceptive manipulation, communism and leftism are really the same thing.

156 posted on 11/01/2005 6:40:17 AM PST by TChris ("The central issue is America's credibility and will to prevail" - Goh Chok Tong)
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To: Cboldt
The only reson the documents were not easily dismissed as forgeries is that CBS was close minded to facts and reasoned analysis.

Good one!

157 posted on 11/01/2005 6:41:06 AM PST by GOPJ (Is every democrat a bent kneed Monica?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
The sad thing is that if the mainstream media has it's way, her spin will become the accepted official analysis of the episode, much as the leftist spin on the Contras has become the accepted official analysis.
158 posted on 11/01/2005 6:46:48 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Condor51

"But I heard about Venona prior to that, when the CIA released it to the public under FOI."

You were one of the few on top of some heavy stuff. I'll check google a bit.


159 posted on 11/01/2005 6:51:57 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Every time the court veers left, the people are overwhelmingly opposed." [Laura Ingraham])
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

When Venona was released I made my 'home' at a different 'blog' (Lucianne). It was HUGH news there - everyone was downloading it.


160 posted on 11/01/2005 7:02:59 AM PST by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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