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University Economists review "FairTax"
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Posted on 11/02/2005 10:09:04 AM PST by Eaglewatcher

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There was a lot of comment on the economic impact of the FairTax. I thought that this letter would add to the understanding and knowledge of freepers in general.
1 posted on 11/02/2005 10:09:06 AM PST by Eaglewatcher
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To: Eaglewatcher

Maybe we all should fax this to the government and our representatives. How else can we tell them we don't want another round of changes and exclusions to the tax code as recommended by the tax panel?


2 posted on 11/02/2005 10:14:11 AM PST by Bhrian
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To: Eaglewatcher
Excellant post!

Of course the resident naysayers will appear and attempt to trash ALL if these learned scholars.

3 posted on 11/02/2005 10:15:18 AM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: ancient_geezer

Tax reform ping!


4 posted on 11/02/2005 10:15:40 AM PST by kevkrom (Thank you... I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress. (And try the veal!))
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To: Eaglewatcher

What an undistinguished list of academics. I know several of them. Paul Rubin at Emory is quite bright and is a good political economist, but not a taxation expert. In fact, many of these academics are NOT experts in the economic consequences of tax law changes.

What I read from this list is that the famous economists who work in taxation do not agree with this group on "fair taxation."


5 posted on 11/02/2005 10:19:36 AM PST by whitedog57 (Holland)
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To: Eaglewatcher

...the movement for consumption-based taxation has been hijacked by a group of extremists whose principal interest is abolishing the Internal Revenue Service.21 They believe that if virtually all federal taxes are abolished and replaced with a retail sales tax like those in the states, then the states can simply collect the federal government's revenue for it, thereby allowing for abolition of the IRS...

21 The Church of Scientology originated this legislation as part of a campaign against the IRS because it refused for many years to allow gifts to the church to be deducted as legitimate charitable contributions, on the grounds that it was not a true church. The IRS eventually relented. See Davis (1997) and Starobin (1995) for discussions of the Church of Scientology's role in the sales tax campaign.

Davis, Bob. 1997. "CATS Out of the Bag." World, 12:9 (May 31/June 7).
Starobin, Paul. 1995. "No Returns." National Journal (March 18): 666-671.

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6 posted on 11/02/2005 10:19:49 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Eaglewatcher

The so called FairTax will allow the rich to grow even richer, creating a form of economic feudalism in America--even more so than our current condition.


7 posted on 11/02/2005 10:27:27 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Willie Green
I'm sorry... your point is what? That all of these economists are Scientologists? And your reference for that is?

Or are you simply reduced to resorting to irrelevant and off-topic ad hominem attacks against the NRST?

8 posted on 11/02/2005 10:42:10 AM PST by kevkrom (Thank you... I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress. (And try the veal!))
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To: Eaglewatcher

That's just what the "Fair Tax" was missing! The endorsement of liberal arts professors!


9 posted on 11/02/2005 10:49:59 AM PST by SolidSupplySide
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To: Bigun

You called that one...


10 posted on 11/02/2005 10:54:05 AM PST by Augie
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The "Fair Tax" is an attempt to define the perfect tax, yet it has its own imperfections. For instance it claims to allow no exemptions from the federal sales tax, yet used items are exempted and religious items sold by religious organizations would also have to be exempted. Also, like the present taxes it would heap the majority of taxes on the middle class. I my opinion it has too many flaws to have a chance of being passed. People, I think, would make better use of their time supporting other tax reforms that have a good chance of being passed.
11 posted on 11/02/2005 11:09:22 AM PST by webboy45
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To: Age of Reason
The so called FairTax will allow the rich to grow even richer

The rich always have and always will get richer. The reason? They continue to engage in the decision making and initiative that got them rich in the first place.

And the poor? They will continue to be poor because of their decision making.

12 posted on 11/02/2005 11:09:25 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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used items are exempted

You're apparently confused. Used items aren't "exempted", they're simply not subject to being taxed a second (or more) time -- "used" is, in and of itself, an imperfect shorthand for "previously taxed".

13 posted on 11/02/2005 11:11:04 AM PST by kevkrom (Thank you... I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress. (And try the veal!))
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To: webboy45
I my opinion it has too many flaws to have a chance of being passed.

Its biggest flaw preventing passage is that it takes away great amounts of power from politicians and lobbyists who use the tax code to reward friends, punish enemies, and buy votes.

14 posted on 11/02/2005 11:11:47 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: kevkrom

WRT 13, how about previously taxed income that was saved or invested intended to be spent later with no tax penalty. What is your solution? Should we get a pre-index payment on $trillions in accounts. Wouldn't that be "fair" like a prebate?


15 posted on 11/02/2005 11:18:49 AM PST by Final Authority
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To: Age of Reason

HUH? You surely have more to offer.


16 posted on 11/02/2005 11:29:41 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Eaglewatcher; Taxman; pigdog; Principled; EternalVigilance; rwrcpa1; phil_will1; kevkrom; ...
A Taxreform bump for you all.

If anyone would like to be added to this ping list let me know.

John Linder in the House(HR25) & Saxby Chambliss Senate(S25) offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and SS/Medicare payroll taxes outright and replace them with with a national retail sales tax administered by the states.

H.R.25,S.25
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

Refer for additional information:


17 posted on 11/02/2005 12:21:37 PM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: Augie
You called that one...

It's not hard when you've watched these no nothings for as long as I have!

18 posted on 11/02/2005 12:25:59 PM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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What an undistinguished list of academics

You obviously DON'T know them all. Wayne Angell? Undistinguished? LOL.

19 posted on 11/02/2005 12:33:16 PM PST by groanup (shred for Ian)
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To: Final Authority
...how about previously taxed income that was saved or invested intended to be spent later with no tax penalty.

Your scenario doesn't exist. Taxed income that is withdrawn to be spent IS already having its purchasing power reduced by our tax system.... on EVERY purchase, whether the item has been previously taxed or not.

THere is no reduction in purchasing power.

20 posted on 11/02/2005 12:49:49 PM PST by Principled
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