Posted on 11/04/2005 9:11:31 AM PST by DallasMike
No, I am not suggesting that the US government has anything to do with the riots. What I am suggesting is that France has been doing both dirty tricks to thwart US efforts in its anti-terrorist war and thwart US efforts in its war in Iraq. In the process France has labeled the US as being anti-Islam and insensitive to those many who are now going to cause a "new reality in France."
If there is "causality-based payback," it will be initiated by a divine hand and not one connected to the US government.
What I was trying to say is that France will get its well deserved "comeuppance" and that will be interesting to watch considering how they have enjoyed ridiculing US policy toward Muslims and the middle east.
If what is happening in the Paris suburbs were about Islam, France would indeed be getting its "comeuppance".
But the riots are the result of French domestic issues.
"There certainly were significant elements of the black community that had been influenced by Communist ideology (Malcolm X comes immediately to mind), led by pro-Communists, and of course what is rioting but the stealing and destroying of private property?"
I thought Malcolm X was a Black Muslim.
So, you are saying that the race riots in America in the 1960s were the result of Communist propaganda and infiltration, and not the result of segregation, police brutality and oppression of blacks.
Interesting.
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The muohammadans in France set a woman on fire today.
ROFLROFLROFL! What planet is she living on???
Maybe the Islam as practiced by martians, but here on earth, such a link CERTAINLY exists!
What dunces libs are!
Every US citizen would be well advised to stock up on guns and ammunition, because it's coming here too.
Do they think the entire world will remain PC forever? It may be easy to ignore when it's "somewhere else", but when they are rioting on your doorstep, they don't endear themselves to anyone.
She'll say the same thing in 5 years behind her burkah.
Nah, she'll feel her black eye and keep her mouth shut.
It will come here only after you can no longer stock up on guns and ammo......count on it.
The French have a problem, millions of un-employed, lawless, hoodlums living on the public dole. Are we REALLY supposed to believe that these riots are poor "beurs" that can't become doctors and lawyers, because of the lack of affirmative action in France......LOL! Your socialist views are underwhelming. It's the same views that created this class of un-employed bums that toss dope, hang out on the street and riot whenever the nanny state doesn't hand them more money. Screw them, their heritage and the system that created them. After the first 100 die in a hail of bullets, they'll go back to the street corners and coffee shops.......sheesh, get a clue.
Along this line, look at this from yesterday.
To: cynicom
Another reason "Vermin have to be destroyed with impunity" --- Regarding the civil war in France: from http://www.washtimes.com/world/20051103-120659-6090r.htm
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..."We have found our thrills: playing with riot police in the evening," one 22-year-old told an Agence France-Presse reporter yesterday. "As long as the police come and provoke us in the evening, we'll bring out the Molotov cocktails, stones, petanque balls, planks."
"In the day, we sleep, go see our girlfriends, play video games," the young man continued as a half-dozen youths nodded. "And in the evening, we have a good time: At 9 p.m., we go and fight the police."
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I'm getting really tired of treating behavior like this as if it is being done by a human. Time to destroy the vermin.
202 posted on 11/03/2005 12:10:12 PM MST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
Gee, I wonder why they don't have jobs; they sound like exemplary candidates any company would fight over...NOT!
Other reports I have been reading state that the Imans are already stepping forward to "help" ease the situation, meaning that they in the end will hold power.
An article posted here approaches the problem from a different angle.
"The trouble would be ended, various Muslim “community leaders” claimed, if the French authorities accepted that there were de facto no-go areas within the country which should be self-administered. “All we demand is to be left alone,” said Mouloud Dahmani, one of the local “emirs” engaged in negotiations to persuade the French to withdraw the police and allow a committee of sheiks, mostly from the Muslim Brotherhood, to negotiate an end to the hostilities.It is here that the similarities between the L.A. riots and what is happening now in France appears to break down.The demand is not new and it will be made with increasing frequency in the years to come. Many Muslims in France and elsewhere in Europe already consider themselves de facto autonomous, a community justifiably opposed to the broader society of infidels and centered on mosques and Islamic centers. The emergence of a huge diaspora of the faithful away from the heartland is seen by pious Muslims as an event archetypically linked to conquest. The demand for the predominantly Muslim areas to be granted communal self-rule will inevitably lead to the clamoring for the sharia law in a segregated Muslim France.
Assimilation is no longer a viable option in France, the country that used to pride itself on its ability to turn foreigners into Frenchmen....
The real cause of the French intifada is the enormous growth, dysfunctionality, and arrogant self-confidence of the Muslim immigrant community within France, coupled with the cultural enfeeblement and demographic decline of the French nation."
As to the first point, I agree, but as to the second, I don't think vandalism covers it.
I did some study of the setting of these events using Google Maps, which ironically doesn't have maps for France, but does have the satellite images, and at the high resolution used for urban areas in the USA. (I can see my house, yard, and driveway.)
I first looked for the site of the original events in Clichy-Sous-Bois, and right away I could see the long apartment buildings that they speak of as an immigrant neighborhood. It was a fairly limited area, but would qualify as a large neighborhood. There are tracts of houses nearby, so I wonder about the extent of the "impoverished neighborhood" they speak of.
Then I looked for the Renault dealership that got burned in nearby Aulnay-Sous-Bois. The center of A-S-B looks like quaint well-kept single housing. The streets at the town center are arranged in a hub, presumably of ancient origin.
The victimized dealership is due north of there, near a major highway junction, and adjacent to it is a cluster of high-rises. So, it seems like the high-rises ( a "project" ) constitute an enclave, as I don't think the "immigrant" hegemony extended over the dealership. Certainly the layout gives you a certain perspective on the nature of the "unrest". This attack was two nights ago.
Then last night there was an attack in Trappes, well to the southwest of Paris, just beyond Versailles. 26 buses were burned at a bus depot, and this was my third investigation. From the looks of it, it's more of a yard than a station.
Now Trappes has a very picturesque setting. It's a small city surrounded by countryside. To get to the bus depot, approaching from Paris, you bear right at the edge of town, go down a mile or two along a straight tree-lined boulevard, with the town on the left and countryside on the right. You cross another major highway by overpass, and enter an industrial park on the left, and the bus depot is in there.
Just back over that last highway you crossed, on the town side, is another set of high-rises. These don't look run-down at all, with nice drives around them and trees.
When I was looking for info about the bus depot location, I found a French notice of the arson. It matter-of-factly stated that 26 buses were burned, but they were getting 20 more today, and expected to keep up service.
So I'm thinking, what does it take to get these people mad? This was no kind of rioting or vandalism! It was an out and out attack on the civic structure of the French nation. It reminds me of Demolition Man, where nobody knew what to do about the violence of the thoroughly depraved Wesley Snipes.
So, I don't want to leap to any conclusions about the nature of these attacks, but the coverage we are getting is completely uninformative, which is news to nobody on this forum, to be sure, but I find it very disturbing.
Those buses got to me. In my minds eye, they remind me of the burning train in Speilberg's War of the Worlds.
Seems to me some serious organization.... 600 cars torched
Assume dusk to dawn...10 hours = 60 cars an hour.
That is one a minute.
You would think that the police....anyone would notice
Somehow this doesn't compute.....any answers....?
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