[goldstategop]

There's Jean Chretien, Canada's last Prime Minister, implicated in the Ad-Scam vote buying scheme. Succeeding him is Paul Martin, the current PM, absolved by Gomery of any role in the scandal who promises a clean up. And there's the Conservative Stephen Harper on the outside looking in - who will never become Prime Minister.

Pivotal in that verdict is Ontario, Canada's largest, richest and most populous province that sticks with the Liberal Party devil they know, as Ted Byfield writes because they fear Western Canada. And Steven Harper is a revolutionary from Alberta poised to deliver change no one in Ontario wants. Ontario voters know the reforms the Tories want would lead to an elected Senate that would lead to a dimunition of Ontario's status. Right now the province elects a third of the House Of Commons. The fear may be irrational but it makes sense. Right now Ontario enjoys an embarrassment of riches. They'd be insane to allow Western Canada to share in it. So the Liberals are assured of being returned to office, Gomery or no Gomery.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

[saluki_in_ohio]

Pretty damn sad that one large province can run the whole country down the toilet.

Seems Canada needs something similiar to our Senate; not that toothless patronage appoitment-based rubber stamp liberal Senate. Probably will never happen as long as Ontario keeps electing liberal anti-American and anti-West vermin to their Parliament.

I've been to Alberta and rural British Columbia, and the people are warm and friendly there. I have been to Ontario as well, and many times I get flipped the bird when one of Ontario's native sons sees my Ohio plates on the car, especially when traveling around Toronto.

I've had the opportunity to watch the propaganda media arm of the Liberal government the CBC, and you will see nothing but socialist propaganda, and experience seething hatred of things American. If it weren't for the wonderful folks out West, one would think that Canada is an enemy of the US.

Perhaps it is time that we encourage the American-based auto makers to bring their plants back to the US from Ontario?

[Alexander Rubin]

Wish I could tell Ted Byfield he was wrong. Here's one Ontarian who wants to see change and responsibility. But my compatriots will continue voting for the damned Liberals.

[NZerFromHK]

This is what I wrote on another thread about Canada. I said it before but I will not again, that Canada's anti-Americanism is not entirely or even mainly the faults of French in Quebec. It is the English Canada's power broker, Ontario, that exhibits the most problems:

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Right from the beginning of time Canada has always been anti-American. The original English Canadians were Americans who opposed the American War of Independence (what you call the American Revolutionary War) and after the Treaty of Paris was signed in 1783 the Loyalists followed British north to Canada. Even today Canada still honours the United Empire Loyalists as they came to be called in the country. Their descendants have been the power brokers in Ontario's cities like London, Peterborough, Toronto (originally named York), Kingston, and Ottawa.

When Canada was confederated in 1867 the drafters of the constitution for Canada such as Sir John A. MacDonald decided a "strong and orderly government" was the business - they think the lessons from the US Civil War was to increase government "stability" and thus decided to opt for an entirely appointed Senate and that none of the provinces besides Ontario and Quebec could get equal representations in the Senate itself. (Yes, I know Canadian Senate seats were decided as equal representations across regions, but US and Australia decided to have equal representations for all states). Decades later, Australia drafters of the Australian constitution such as Sir Edmund Barton, are not impressed with the Canadian Senate such that they moved the Australian Senate designs to the American side.

Fast forward to the late 19th century. In the last period of Queen Victoria's reign signs of contemporary Canadian pacifism and leftism is already manifest in its elites. Said Sir Charles Tupper, Prime Minister in 1896, "Canada," he explained, "shall dominate the American continent, not in aggression or materialism, but in the arts of peace, in the greatness of its institutions, in the broadness of its culture, and in the lofty moral character of its people." Tupper is English Canadian, a Conservative Party politician, and is from Nova Scotia. His beliefs reflect the High Toryism of English Canadian power brokers, and it is safe to see that on a paractical policy level, High Toryism and socialism is essentially identical.

The attachment of English Canada (read: Ontario) to the Mother Country could be seen as a jest against the United States. Back in the days when the sun never set on the British Empire, English Canada supported the Empire due to pride of the Empire's accomplishments and that "We are not like the savage Americans".

When the British Empire was being dismantled in the 1950s/60s this sent a shock wave to English Canada. On one hand, they became resentful to the US's eclipse of Britain's power and making the Empire no more, and on the other hand they realized they can't rely on following Britain to achieve anti-American stance anymore in the age of Special Relationships. If you follow Britain it now means you must support Uncle Sam, that breakaway colony! How terrible! At this point, socialism and trans-national pacifism started to acquire anti-American tones. So voila, English Canada now make allegiance to the United Nations and intellectual leftism to fill in the vacuums of British Empire.

And on domestic policy it is even easier. When you have inherited a High Tory belief of paternalism (High Toryism is particular influential in English Canada, more so than Australia and even NZ), adopting socialism is not that hard.

And even today their High Tory attitudes are reflected in how they describe individual soldiers fight. It is not uncommon to find Canadians extolling the individual valour of Canadian, British, Australian, and NZ soldiers while dismissing Yanks as "rubbish wimps that depend on technical gadgets to get by". The "We the British-influenced armed forces are the best quality" stance taken by Canadians in general reads no different from contemporary British High Tory commentators like Sir Max Hastings, Sir Simon Jenkins, Matthew Parris, or Sir Peregrine Worsthorne. English Canada is not in fact socialist - it has bits of socialism mixed with High Toryism.

Contemporary Canada suffers from a lethal cocktail of High Tory snobbery, Fabian socialism, and Quebecoise federalists desire to emulate contemporary France in socialism.

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[NZerFromHK]

The more I read about Canada, the more I'm furious with English Canadian elites and a majority of Ontario who are either High Tory or socialists but all support the Liberals due to little practical policy differences. The Quebec anti-American poeple are actually federalists and they add in the French socialism into the cocktail mix. (To the sceptics about the anti-Americanism in Quebec being concentrated among Quebec, note that anti-American ideas are the most virulent in Montreal, and guess which way Montreal took in separatism debate? Yep, staying in Canada)

Western Canada should separate as soon as it can. Vive l'Ouest Canada libre!

[rickmichaels]

And Steven Harper is a revolutionary from Alberta...

Actually, he's from Ontario. Bio here

[.cnI redruM]

The next Canadian succession movement needs to be in Calgary, not Quebec. Western Canada is way more like Montana, than it is like Windsor or Toronto.