SUMMIT OF THE AMERICAS: BUSH IS BRUISED BUT NOT BEATEN IN TALKS

Miami Herald ^ | 11/06/2005 | Mei-Ling Hopgood and Jack Chang

[jveritas]

What was your previous user name on FR before you got banned and what is your user name on LibertyPost?

[mmercier]

>> BUSH IS BRUISED BUT NOT BEATEN IN TALKS

Sounds like he got the $hit kicked out of him on a thread.

You may loose the argument, but you can still be in the right.

[WatchingInAmazement]

And you will be buying a lot of things three times more expensive than what you pay now.

The facts dispute your statement. Do you have anything to back that up? Why hasn't the price of goods reduced with 20 million "guest workers" already here? Why are prices no higher in areas without much immigration? Remember there are 3.6 million visa overstays (above the illegal immigration count) roaming around this nation and no one knows where they are. With FTAA, we can only look forward to more of this:

What is a Colonia?

Texas Secretary of State's Definition: The term "colonia," in Spanish means a community or neighborhood. The Office of the Secretary of State defines a "colonia" as a residential area along the Texas-Mexico border that may lack some of the most basic living necessities, such as potable water and sewer systems, electricity, paved roads, and safe and sanitary housing.

In recent years the Texas-Mexico border region has experienced an explosion of growth in population and industrial activity. Although growth has resulted in economic opportunities, it has also intensified the environmental health and social challenges.

Among the border states, Texas has the largest number of colonias approximately 1,800 communities, with more than 500,000 residents. Sixty-five percent of all residents, and 85% of residents under the age of 18, were born in the United States. (aka Anchor babies) These Americans live in extreme poverty and often are unaware of the services that the United States and Texas can provide for them. Ninety-eight percent of the residents are Hispanic and speak little or no English.

(see photos - http://www-apps.niehs.nih.gov/outreach-education/News/spotarch/spot0503.cfm)

Welcome to the Colonias Home Page "One of government’s chief responsibilities is to help Texans with the greatest needs. The Secretary of State’s Ombudsman Program is a central part of our initiatives to assist needy Texans living in colonias. The program is helping to provide better roads, bring water and wastewater infrastructure to areas that lack these basic services, and improve the quality of life for some of Texas’ neediest citizens." - Governor Rick Perry

[mmercier]

>> let the Graces dance unto the rest, for they can do it
best

For those who care...

Three sister goddesses, known in Greek mythology as Aglaia, Euphrosyne, and Thalia, who dispense charm and beauty. We could crush these pigs economically, yet we grant them grace and tolerance out of our simple good nature and hope for them and theirs.

[jveritas]

BS.

Most of the goods we import are made by cheaper labor from third world countries and hence we pay less for it.

The vast majority of the 15 millions illegal immigrants in the US do not want in the manufacturing sector.

[carenot]

The vast majority of the 15 millions illegal immigrants in the US do not want in the manufacturing sector.

They don't?

[jveritas]

want=work.

[WatchingInAmazement]

BS.

Oh, that's informative. I asked you to back your statement that we would be paying 3 times for our goods with out foreign "help". Forgive me for thinking you might want to give us something to back that up. BS back at ya.

[hedgetrimmer]

Most of the goods we import are made by cheaper labor from third world countries and hence we pay less for it.

Your optimistic statement about "paying less" does not include the true cost of goods. The true price of these goods includes the money taken from the US taxpayers and given to the transnational corporations and corrupt foreign governments in order to "facilitate" trade. This money comes from USAID, the Inter-American development bank,OPIC, the INF, the USTR the US department of the treasury, the EPA, the DOT, the IMF the world bank and many many other US taxpayer funded ripoffs.Oh, and don't forget the money the government pays private corporations for "technical assistance" so that countries which have nothing to offer the US, can be trained on our dollar to put us out of business. But if you told the truth about how much these imported goods are actually costing the American people, you wouldn't have any argument at all that can support "free trade".

[jveritas]

Any person with an IQ over 80 will know that when you manufacture something with much less cost you will sell it cheaper than when you manufacture it with much higher cost.

[hedgetrimmer]

Any person with an IQ over 80 will know that this is especially true when the cost of building the infrastructure that you use to manufacture your product is subsidized by the taxpayers in the United States.

[citizencon]

>It is interesting how this was initiated durng the previous administration and Bush gets the blame. When Clinton roamed the world promoting this stuff it was wonderful.<

To his cult, anything Clinton did was wonderful, even the crimes. Recently, an unabashedly-enamored European female reporter said that Monica Lewinsky was "lucky".

[janetgreen]

In the trade agreement there is a clause, called Mode 4. Are you aware of this? It guarantees the "free movement of persons" from one country to the next, who are participating in the "free trade" agreement.

You're actually in favor of completely open borders? Have you even thought about what this means? Do you think the infrastructure of our country can accommodate the probable doubling of our population due to "free movement" of third world residents? Who will pay the bills? Many states are already struggling with paying the bills to support the illegal aliens already here because of a President who refuses to enforce immigration laws.

You seem very concerned with the price of lettuce. Have you thought about American jobs? Have you no concern for the sovereignty of America? If this mess is accomplished, you'll get cheap lettuce all right, but you'll also witness America turning into a third world hole.

[WatchingInAmazement]

Any person with an IQ over 80 will know that when you manufacture something with much less cost you will sell it cheaper than when you manufacture it with much higher cost. 30 posted on 11/06/2005 11:15:19 AM PST by jveritas

You said 3 times cheaper. Back it up, if your IQ is up to it.

[jveritas]

It is an standard in most industries to sell something with 2 to 3 times the cost. If the cost in the US to manufacture certain goods cost ten times that of what it cost to manufacture it Costa Rica for example, then make sure that the manufacturer will sell at least 3 times more expensive this goods manufactured in the US than the same one manufactured in Costa Rica.

Go to Western Europe and you know why a lot of goods there are 2 or 3 times more expensive than here in the US. This because they want to manufacture locally (Stupid union and dumb protectionism) and it cost them a lot money to do so hence everything get very expensive. The end results are that Europeans have lower standard of living than us, they buy less than what we do, their economy is stagnant or in recession, and they have double the unemployment rate that we have.

[Toddsterpatriot]

plain neo-conservative hogwash.

What's wrong with neo-cons?

[FerdieMurphy]

Neo-Conservatives (like Bill Kristol)care little about preserving constitutional freedoms. They, and the conservative foundations they now control, were absent in the debate about the Patriot Act.

Neo-Conservatives have little interest in any conservative philosophy or principles--traditionalsim, constitutionalism, limited government, free market economics or Christian civiliation itself.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Neo-Conservatives have little interest in any conservative philosophy or principles--traditionalsim, constitutionalism, limited government, free market economics or Christian civiliation itself.

Kind of painting with a broad brush, aren't you? Are you using neo-Con as a substitute for Jewish?

[jmc813]

What's wrong with neo-cons?

They're total liberals when it comes to anything having to do with domestic issues.