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More than 2,000 dead --- worth the cost???

Posted on 11/07/2005 10:04:03 AM PST by gophergas

I'm getting a little tired (okay, I actually got tired a long time ago) of people making such a huge deal over the US death toll reaching the 2,000 mark. All around, we're hearing, "It's not worth the cost! It's not worth the cost!"

Well, frankly, I think freedom IS worth the cost. And I think it demeans the sacrifices of our troops to suggest otherwise.

To that end, I think it would be neat to start a campaign showing some of the benefits to the war in Iraq. I'm including a "starter" image to get things rolling...



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To: takenoprisoner

I'm glad you think the ad is appealing. Thanks.

As I stated in the introduction, I'm looking for more ideas. This war is most definitely about more than just Saddam -- and it's time we stopped cowering everytime the left-wingers snipe at us. We hold the moral and intellectual high ground, and it's time we started behaving as such. (I'm speaking in terms of our collective behavior -- there are certainly examples of individuals who are already doing this.)

If you have ideas on what else would make a good advertisement, please feel free to share them here.

Again, thanks for the words of encouragement.


61 posted on 11/10/2005 6:13:41 AM PST by gophergas
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To: gophergas
We were attacked on 9-11 because our enemy believed we wouldn't be willing to stand and die to defend ourselves, and there was a history of their being able to lash out at us without consequences.

The 2000 dead soldiers have clearly proven that we are willing to stand and die, not only to defend ourselves, but in order to exact consequences on our enemy.

This last one is very important.

Deposing the Taliban in Afghanistan alone would not have restored the respect factor which caused the attacks of 2001. They EXPECTED us to come there, where it was their plan to defeat us as they had the Russians. On the day when our media was taunting the military about the lack of "shock and awe", shock and awe was precisely what was in the minds of those on the Arab street...at our audacity.

The good news is that despite our attempts to frame our actions as defensive and altruistic, they are seen by the warped Arab mind as punitive and retaliatory.

Saddam had been declared the winner of the Gulf War by the Arab world, simply for surviving, and proceeding to thumb his nose at the Americans. He had come to be seen as the symbol of Arab power. This is why his extraction from that spider hole was such a significant emotional event for the Middle Eastern mind, and it is the main reason America has not been struck in four years. For us to think that we have somehow eradicated their capability to strike falls well short, and fails to acknowledge the real reason....CONSEQUENCES, Saddam Hussein's summary whipping chief among them, have had an impact on their WILL.

Fear of consequences is a primary motivator to inaction, thus we have 2000 dead soldiers to thank for such a noble and worthwhile sacrifice.

62 posted on 11/10/2005 7:19:42 AM PST by wayoverontheright (.)
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To: gophergas

don't most soldiers vote republican? would the dems quickly change tune if they realized that every soldiers' death was a vote taken from the GOP?


63 posted on 11/10/2005 7:29:13 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: absolootezer0

Actually, I think they've already realized this. That's why they make it so difficult for our troops to do their jobs.

"Hey, let's require our interrogators to provide Godiva chocolates and foot-massages to the detainees! They'll NEVER be able to get any useful information that way!"


64 posted on 11/10/2005 7:33:54 AM PST by gophergas
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To: gophergas

just got this in an email from my sister, thought it kind of applied to your campaign...



What to do if you fall into a conversation with someone about the terrorist attacks who doesn't believe in retaliation:

1. Engage in conversation, and ask if military force is appropriate.

2. When he says "No," ask, "Why not?"

3. Wait until he says something to the effect of "Because that would just cause more innocent deaths, which would be awful and we should not cause more violence."

4. When he's in mid sentence, punch him in the face as hard as you can.

5. When he gets back up to punch you, point out that it would be a mistake and contrary to his values to strike you, because that would be awful and he should not cause more violence.

6. Wait until he agrees, and has pledged not to commit additional violence.

7. Punch him in the face again, harder this time.

8. Repeat steps 5 through 8 until he understands that sometimes it is necessary to punch back.


65 posted on 11/10/2005 7:51:02 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: wayoverontheright

Its good to quote the inscriptions from the John F Kennedy eternal flame gravesite too....Gravesite Inscription:

Let the word go forth
From this time and place
To friend and foe alike
That the torch has been passed
To a new generation of Americans.

Let every nation know
Whether it wishes us well or ill
That we shall pay any price - bear any burden
Meet any hardship - support any friend
Oppose any foe to assure the survival
And the success of liberty

Now the trumpet summons us again
Not as a call to bear arms
- though embattled we are
But a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle
A struggle against the common enemies of man Tyranny - Poverty - Disease - and War itself

In the long history of the world
Only a few generations have been granted
The role of defending freedom
In the hour of maximum danger
I do not shrink from this responsibility
I welcome it

The Energy - the Faith - the Devotion
Which we bring to this endeavor
Will light our country
And all who serve it
And the glow from that fire
Can truly light the world

And so my fellow Americans
Ask not what your country can do for you
Ask what you can do for your country
My fellow citizens of the world - ask not
What America can do for you - but what together
We can do for the freedom of man

With a good conscience our only sure reward
With history the final judge of our deeds
Let us go forth to lead the land we love - asking His blessing
And his help - but knowing that here on earth
God's work must truly be our own.

Inaugural Address - January 20, 1961


66 posted on 11/10/2005 8:13:55 AM PST by xp38
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To: DannyTN

"Nobody wants to lose 2000 lives, but you have to realistically look at the cost of not doing anything. And that cost can be really high."

You said it: The cost of doing nothing is two world trade center buildings and 3000 civilians dead! Clinton did nothing, ask Louis Freeh....


67 posted on 11/11/2005 6:40:51 PM PST by AmericanDave (God bless .......and MORE COWBELL)
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To: FourtySeven

They've found some see drudge report....


68 posted on 11/11/2005 6:42:10 PM PST by AmericanDave (God bless .......and MORE COWBELL)
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To: humint

"2,000 or 20,000 or… is not the point. The point is the cause! The consequences for surrendering to tyranny are too high"

The point is also, we all die. Will we die defending freedom or by allowing our enemies to kill us.You can die crossing the street. God bless our soldiers who volunteer to take the fight to them!


69 posted on 11/11/2005 6:51:35 PM PST by AmericanDave (God bless .......and MORE COWBELL)
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To: gophergas
Some of the comments and indeed a poem on this thread, rang a bell in my memory. Today we have seen "In Flanders Fields" by John Mcrae repeated. It also might be appropriate to mention Alfred Joyce Kilmer (1886-1918). Kilmer had achieved a modest fame with his poem- Trees.

As a married man he did not have to enlist. He joined the 165th Infantry. In France,June 1918 he wrote a poem titled The Peacemaker.Two lines follow.

"What matters death,if Freedom be not dead?. No flags are fair,if Freedom's flag be furled".

As Sgt.Joyce Kilmer he was killed by a sniper, at the Battle of the Marne, July 1918. Kilmer felt that it was better to choose to risk death, rather than let his comrades down.

70 posted on 11/11/2005 7:05:04 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: A message
We should print up 10 million flyers with the additional caption:

"Dick Durbin thinks Iraqi Arab girls shouldn't be protected.

-------What do you think?"

Substitute "Kerry, Kennedy, Schumer, Rockefeller" etc., as appropriate.

71 posted on 11/11/2005 7:13:58 PM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: finnman69

640,000+ deaths for the Union side alone, on a population base of less that 50 million. That would be like 3 million dead today.


72 posted on 11/11/2005 7:17:17 PM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: Paradox
I have a son currently in Iraq, and I do not want to minimize the deaths of each of these precious ones. but I would find it interesting to see what the total mortality was for the military (globally) over the last 3 years. I seriously wonder if there haven't been another 2,000 who died outside of Iraq of various causes.
73 posted on 11/11/2005 7:22:12 PM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
2,000 dead would have got you about ten minutes into D-Day. Amazing how hypersensitive the Western world has become.


74 posted on 11/11/2005 7:24:51 PM PST by Howlin
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To: FourtySeven
Awesome poster, but such logic doesn't reach the virulent anti-war crowd. To them, it's all about the missing WMD's. They can't let it go that we were ALL snookered on that, and that given the info at the time, war WAS the only option. "

Yeah, they think O.I.F. stands for Operation Iraqi Find-the-weapons!

75 posted on 11/11/2005 7:26:27 PM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: gophergas

I heard a statistic on flu related deaths. It's something like 15,000 a year.


76 posted on 11/11/2005 7:30:00 PM PST by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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To: gophergas

God bless all of our heroes who have made the ultimate sacrifice! May we all be worthy of their sacrifice!

77 posted on 11/11/2005 7:34:26 PM PST by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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To: gophergas
So let me get this right, you are asking which I would prefer --

a) My powerful military fighting the terrorists on their ground, or

b) The terrorists attacking innocent civilians over here?

Where is the question?

It is worth it.

78 posted on 11/11/2005 7:41:55 PM PST by fideist
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To: gophergas

If I had my way, I'd make every liberal in the country fight and die for freedom, so that he would have done at least one honorable thing in his lifetime.


79 posted on 11/11/2005 7:48:59 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: spintreebob

BTTT


80 posted on 11/11/2005 7:51:09 PM PST by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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