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Paris Burning: How Empires End
Human Events (online) ^ | Nov. 7/05 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 11/08/2005 1:17:50 AM PST by Candor7

Islamic Jihad: The Conclusive Case

The Romans conquered the barbarians—and the barbarians conquered Rome.

So it goes with empires. And comes now the penultimate chapter in the history of the empires of the West.

This is the larger meaning of the ritual murder of Theo Van Gogh in Holland, the subway bombings in London, the train bombings in Madrid, the Paris riots spreading across France. The perpetrators of these crimes in the capitals of Europe are the children of immigrants who were once the colonial subjects of the European empires.

At this writing, the riots are entering their 12th night and have spread to Rouen, Lille, Marseille, Toulouse, Dijon, Bordeaux, Strasbourg, Cannes, Nice. Thousands of cars and buses have been torched and several nursery schools fire-bombed. One fleeing and terrified woman was doused with gasoline and set ablaze.

The rioters are of Arab and African descent, and Muslim. While almost all are French citizens, they are not part of the French people. For never have they been assimilated into French culture or society. And some wish to remain who and what they are. They live in France but are not French. The rampage began October 27 when two Arab youths, fleeing what they mistakenly thought was a police pursuit, leapt onto power lines and were electrocuted. The two deaths ignited the riots.

Interior Minister Nicholas Sarkozy, a candidate to succeed President Chirac, is said to have infuriated and inflamed the rioters. Before the rampage began, he promised “war without mercy” on crime in the teeming suburbs where unemployment runs at 20% and income is 40% below the national average. He has denounced the rioters as “scum” and “rabble.”

Like the urban riots in America in the 1960s, which the Kerner Commission blamed on “white racism,” Paris’s riots are being blamed on France’s failure to bring Islamic immigrants into the social and economic mainstream of the nation. Solutions being offered range from voting rights for non-citizens to affirmative action in hiring for the children of Third World immigrants.

To understand why this is unlikely to solve France’s crisis, consider how America succeeded, and often failed, in solving her own racial crisis. While, as late as the 1950s, black Americans were not integrated fully into our economy or society, they had been assimilated into American culture.

They worshipped the same God, spoke the same language, had endured the same Depression and war, listened to the same music and radio, watched the same TV shows, laughed at the same comedians, went to the same movies, ate the same foods, read the same books, magazines and newspapers, and went to schools where, even when they were segregated, they learned the same history.

We were divided, but we were also one nation and one people. Black folks were as American as apple pie, having lived in our common land longer than almost every other ethnic group save Native Americans. And America had a history of having assimilated immigrants in the tens of millions from Europe.

But no European nation has ever assimilated a large body of immigrant peoples, let alone people of color. Moreover, the African and Islamic peoples pouring into Europe—there are 20 million there now—are, unlike black Americans, strangers in a new land, and millions wish to remain proud Algerians, Muslims, Moroccans.

These newcomers worship a different God and practice a faith historically hostile to Christianity, a traditionalist faith that is rising again and recoils violently from a secular culture saturated in sex.

Severed from the civilization and cultures of their parents, these Arab and Muslim youth may hold French citizenship and carry French passports, but they are no more French than Americans who live in Paris are French. Searching for a community to which they can truly belong, they gravitate to mosques where the imams, many themselves immigrants, teach and preach that the West is not their true home, but a civilization alien to their values and historically hostile to their nations and Islam.

The soaring Muslim population is a Fifth Column inside Europe.

Nevertheless, their numbers must grow. For not only do they have a higher birth rate than the native-born Europeans, no European nation, save Moslem Albania, has a birth rate (2.1 births per woman) that will enable it to endure for many more generations. The West is aging, shrinking, and dying.

Yet, to keep Europe’s economy growing and taxes coming in to fund the health and pension programs of Europe’s rising numbers of retired and elderly, Europe needs scores of millions of new workers. And Europe can only find them in the Third World.

Nor should Americans take comfort in France’s distress. By 2050, there will be 100 million Hispanics in the United States, half of them of Mexican ancestry, heavily concentrated in a Southwest most Mexicans still believe by right belongs to them.

Colonization of the mother countries by subject peoples is the last chapter in the history of empires—and the next chapter in the history of the West—that is now coming to a close.

Mr. Buchanan is a nationally syndicated columnist and author of The Death of the West, The Great Betrayal, and A Republic, Not an Empire.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: borders; civilwar; colonization; conquest; empire; europe; france; frenchifada; history; immigration; insurgency; integration; intifada; jihad; mexicans; parisriots; quagmire; surrender; terrorism; terrorists; uprising
Is Buchanan accurate about this also happening in the USA, but with immigrants from Central and South America, who are not integrating into US society? He makes a case for integration of all Hispanics here. BUchanan can be rather extreme at times , but do YOU think he is accurate in making the case for the integration of Hispanics in the USA ?
1 posted on 11/08/2005 1:17:52 AM PST by Candor7
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To: Candor7

What you think is just as important as what Buchanan thinks - or, just as important as what anyone else thinks.


2 posted on 11/08/2005 1:23:20 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: HiJinx; Paleo Conservative; Clemenza; Cacique; Willie Green

ping


3 posted on 11/08/2005 1:26:30 AM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: leadpenny


"What you think is just as important as what Buchanan thinks - or, just as important as what anyone else thinks."


Why, thank you, I'm a little shy!

I think Buchanan is right, but unlike hime , I think its not too late. The USA has time to secure its southern and northern borders. Our president should bite that bullet now, or 50 years from now we could be France all over again ( deja vu all over again?).

I also have a singular message for Hispanics in the USA who insist that their children be taught in Spanish at school: Learn English and be taught in that language.
Support the Republic.


4 posted on 11/08/2005 1:41:37 AM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Candor7

Isn't "cultural diversity" just swell?


5 posted on 11/08/2005 1:42:01 AM PST by A Jovial Cad ("If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting." -General Curtis LeMay)
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To: leadpenny
What you think is just as important as what Buchanan thinks - or, just as important as what anyone else thinks

What's that incoherent babble of a sentence supposed to mean?

Please elaborate.

6 posted on 11/08/2005 1:44:08 AM PST by A Jovial Cad ("If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting." -General Curtis LeMay)
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To: Candor7

There ya go!

Couldn't agree more, except I think "50 years" may be on the high side.


7 posted on 11/08/2005 1:44:21 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: A Jovial Cad

Put some ice on it.


8 posted on 11/08/2005 1:45:55 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Candor7

Buchanan is a twist of lime that accompanies a rum and coke. A TOUCH of sweatness makes a bitter decision palatable. Buchanan thinks that because He has never been responsible, HE is the one who offered ANY real Decision?

Bush is to blame, and to praise, and to question. It isn't Buchana, with his 3 or 4 positions that is strong, because Pat, can recover no matter what. Bush? Made a choice. That is Called "Leadership"


9 posted on 11/08/2005 1:47:19 AM PST by wickedpinto (The road map to peace is a straight line down an Israeli rifle.)
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To: leadpenny
Put some ice on it

What a scintillating response! Jeeze Louise, don't quite know how to respond in the teeth of such a witty riposte...

...(snicker)...

Get lost.

10 posted on 11/08/2005 1:48:41 AM PST by A Jovial Cad ("If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting." -General Curtis LeMay)
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To: Candor7

We need to use France as a bad example of policy on guns, immigration, and economics.

If we think it can't happen in the USofA, we're not paying attention to the steps taking us there.


11 posted on 11/08/2005 1:49:55 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: wickedpinto
Why don't you address the substance of the article instead of personally attacking the author?

What does this article have to do with choosing George W. Bush?

12 posted on 11/08/2005 1:54:05 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: wickedpinto

I just became a big fan of ....you!


13 posted on 11/08/2005 1:56:33 AM PST by Uriah_lost (We aren't pro-war, we're PRO-VICTORY!)
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To: Candor7
They live in France but are not French

And they live in Australia but are not Australian, they live in American but are not Americans, they live in Germany but are not Germans, they live in Russia but are not Russians and on and on.

They're mooslims and they have a goal: take over the world and exterminate the infidels.

14 posted on 11/08/2005 2:03:11 AM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: cowboyway

Not all of them


15 posted on 11/08/2005 2:06:36 AM PST by rhainw
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To: Candor7
Already posted, with 264 replies:

Paris Burning: How Empires End

16 posted on 11/08/2005 2:09:20 AM PST by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Why don't you address the substance of the article instead of personally attacking the author?

People attack Pat Buchanan for the same reason they attack rattlesnakes.

The only difference between Pat Buchanan and a Rattlesnake is Pat's rattles are a lot louder and his bite dosen't do any damage.


17 posted on 11/08/2005 3:08:58 AM PST by Common Tator
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To: BlessedBeGod

Well-this-is-the-first-time-that-I-have-read-the-article,and-I-am-glad-for-the-post.


18 posted on 11/08/2005 3:09:42 AM PST by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, Over there, we will be there until it is Over there.")
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To: Candor7
However lacking as a candidate, Buchanan manages here, as he has done since the Nixon era, to identify the political crux of issues.

He's rarely popular but he's right on these issues involving borders, the Court, the One Party system of the Beltway.
19 posted on 11/08/2005 3:16:25 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Candor7
The goal of the Pigs..
20 posted on 11/08/2005 3:35:46 AM PST by Beth528
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To: Candor7

There is a difference I think. 1) The Latin immigrants are not in Jihad mode and 2) In America how much you assimilate is up to you; it's not that way in Europe.


21 posted on 11/08/2005 3:43:12 AM PST by bkepley
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To: Candor7
Interior Minister Nicholas Sarkozy, a candidate to succeed President Chirac, is said to have infuriated and inflamed the rioters.

The French reaction will be slow until idiots like Chirac are out of the way, but when it finally comes, I hope it will be devastating. As France goes, so goes the West, I fear.

Have we been hollowed out by our insane (il)liberal elites to the point that we've lost the will to live or has pressure so built up against them that a powerful rejection will begin, fueled by real patriotism, not Bush-league patriotism.

22 posted on 11/08/2005 3:43:43 AM PST by wotan
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To: Common Tator

Pat Buchanan jumped the shark at the convention of 1992 where he contributed so directly to the Clinton election that one suspects he was actually in the pay of the sink emperor. He has been unworthy of serious attention ever since.


23 posted on 11/08/2005 3:46:32 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: Beth528

Okay, this just proves that Islamic nazis, like Hitlerian nazis with their maps of German India, have stupid dreams.


24 posted on 11/08/2005 3:48:03 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: wickedpinto

Welcome to FR, WP. You'll find that on FR, the "ad hominem" attack is a herald of intellectual weakness, or no argument at all. It also is the hallmark of a DU troll....


25 posted on 11/08/2005 3:53:49 AM PST by mo
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To: Candor7

Only Pat Buchanan can tell it like it is. President Bush should make Pat our Secretary of Homeland Security.

Wake up America!


26 posted on 11/08/2005 4:02:25 AM PST by mohresearcher
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised

Time is short for many European countries. How these Muslim uprising are dealt with will tell the tale. If the troublemakers are thrown out of the country or in prison, there is hope. If the governments scramble to accommodate Islam at the expense of their respective cultures, the war will be lost. Instead of the Nazi salute, Europe’s salute will be bowing to Mecca. Is there much difference between the two?


27 posted on 11/08/2005 4:08:44 AM PST by Beth528
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To: Candor7
This is my post from a previous thread:
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This is exactly what multiculturalism is all about. It is an attempt to stop the assimilation of immigrants into the host country's culture. In the case of the United States, it's to keep new immigrants from adopting the free enterprise, Judeo-Christian value system.

In Texas, more specifically, the Dallas Independent School District, teaches the children of illegal aliens in Spanish. What do they teach them? They teach them the history of Mexico, and that they are Mexicans. "How do I know this?" you ask. It was on the local news a couple of weeks ago.

**** I know that these people are predominantly Catholic. However, I contend that even as Catholics, once they identify primarily with their cultural group (read tribe), they will be easily controlled and minipulated by the left.****

We'll have to fight this battle some day.
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Interestingly enough, the barbarians wanted to be a part of the Roman experience. They didn't want to destroy Rome. They were powerful enough to defeat the Romans and take over the key government positions but culturally, they were incapable of sustaining the Roman experience.

In time, Rome looked just like the barbarian's home land.

If you want to see what the United States is going to look like in 50 years, look at the areas of Mexico and South America where the illegal aliens are migrating from.

28 posted on 11/08/2005 4:19:15 AM PST by Texas Jack
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To: bkepley
Exactly! Hispanics are generally Christian and are not looking for a hand out. I know many Hispanics who barely speak English. Many show up to barbecues dressed nicely in Cowboy boots, pearl snap shirts and jeans, they bring their own beer and their children run and play with the white kids even though they barely understand each other. They don't do this because they are trying to assimilate, its because its who they are. We are both peoples from mixed races who speak European languages, whos cultures were formed by rugged ancestors who tamed wild lands. We have lived on the same lands for hundreds of years, sometimes fighting over border regions but generally the people have been friends.
29 posted on 11/08/2005 4:25:08 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: Candor7
We will not be France as long as our populus is armed.
30 posted on 11/08/2005 4:44:18 AM PST by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: Candor7; HiJinx; Spiff
"The Romans conquered the barbarians—and the barbarians conquered Rome."

Very profound. Someone said that on talk radio just yesterday. Savage? I think so.

Savage said something else that really bugged me. I have to respectfully disagree with him. Savage believes that Mexican Nationals are not as dangerous as Islamics. While true AT THE MOMENT, I think that there are dangers ALMOST as severe as Islam. Mexicans believe we stole land from their ancestors. [They forget that their ancestors stole land from some of MY ancestors, the American Indians, who constantly stole land from each other. But regardless...]

A bitter land dispute is not assimilation. It leads to local turf battles. It is, indeed, potentially dangerous. We saw a glimpse of it with the 'LA, Mexico' billboard. Perhaps the Mexican community rejected it then, after Arnold put some fear in them.

But when you have foreign nationals who happen to have US citizenship running the mayor's office, the sheriff's office, etc., then they might feel a lot more bold to run off all the gringos and make way for their friends with suddenly-cheapened real estate. That's why some of us keep mentioning, "Balkanization".

And that ties in with the Paris Riots. We could be looking into a magic mirror of our own country, in the future.
31 posted on 11/08/2005 4:45:08 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Every time the court veers left, the people are overwhelmingly opposed." [Laura Ingraham])
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To: Khepera

"We will not be France as long as our populus is armed."

For decades, the quality of citizens' weapons has been falling behind. Criminals have access to much better weapons. Unfortunately, it would shock most Americans to even consider allowing people to own the kind of guns needed to have a truly well-armed citizens' militia. There was even an effort by the left to ban bullet proof vests from citizens. Ironically, the Iraqi homes have better guns than most US homes. We can trust them more than we trust ourselves?


32 posted on 11/08/2005 4:49:06 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Every time the court veers left, the people are overwhelmingly opposed." [Laura Ingraham])
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To: Texas Jack

"Interestingly enough, the barbarians wanted to be a part of the Roman experience. They didn't want to destroy Rome. They were powerful enough to defeat the Romans and take over the key government positions but culturally, they were incapable of sustaining the Roman experience."

Well said. I don't want to see mirror images of the corrupt Mexican beauracracies pop up in counties of the US. It's almost as if the righteous Mexicans believe it's evil to have money or power. It's the wolves we have to look out for, not the sheep.


33 posted on 11/08/2005 4:58:49 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Every time the court veers left, the people are overwhelmingly opposed." [Laura Ingraham])
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To: Candor7
I am married to a Hispanic immigrant. Living in South Florida I have seen a good deal of how the Latin community has assimilated.

While the first generation does not always fully assimilate (i.e.-Spanish as the first language in many South Florida businesses), one thing I have noticed is that the second generation, those born and raised here, do fully assimilate. English is their first language, they likely go to college (many more of them pay their own way and work through than most Anglo children I've seen), intermarry with whites and blacks, root for the local sports teams, etc. I am not worried as much down here as maybe I would be in California, but I can only talk about what I know.
34 posted on 11/08/2005 5:03:08 AM PST by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: Candor7

France is not an empire.........


35 posted on 11/08/2005 5:19:15 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Candor7
Of course. We have a parallel with illegal Mexicans allowed to take the jobs nobody wants for wages no one else would accept. That is what France and much of Europe did with immigration - cheap labor. Now those same immigrants have become unemployed and concentrated in population centers.

America needs to look closely at what we are doing and not doing with an eye on the long term.

36 posted on 11/08/2005 5:28:36 AM PST by Rapscallion (It goes far deeper than contempt of Congress. Government takes so much and gives so little.)
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To: Beth528

I heard on the radio news last night that Chirac is pledging 35 bil to rebuild the ghettoes.


37 posted on 11/08/2005 6:19:46 AM PST by printhead
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To: printhead

I have never heard that before..He can afford it though since he got some bucks from the oil for food program.p>


38 posted on 11/08/2005 6:36:31 AM PST by Beth528
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To: Candor7
Is Buchanan accurate about this also happening in the USA, but with immigrants from Central and South America, who are not integrating into US society?

They may be Hispanic, but they are still 'European', and Christian, NOT a completely different belief system.

39 posted on 11/08/2005 6:49:33 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: printhead

40 posted on 11/08/2005 6:50:20 AM PST by Beth528
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To: Candor7

"I think Buchanan is right, but unlike hime , I think its not too late. The USA has time to secure its southern and northern borders. Our president should bite that bullet now, or 50 years from now we could be France all over again ( deja vu all over again?).

I also have a singular message for Hispanics in the USA who insist that their children be taught in Spanish at school: Learn English and be taught in that language.
Support the Republic."

I share your sentiment. We want to encourage more "legal" immigration and integration into our society and push the issue of secure boarders to keep illegals out. In the age of technology, we can start being picky about the kinds of people we allow here. Europe can start doing the same and I have a feeling we and Europe will be very stringent over immigration over the next few decades.


41 posted on 11/08/2005 7:05:46 AM PST by quant5
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To: Rodney King

This is a good article.


42 posted on 11/08/2005 8:46:32 AM PST by Stingray51
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To: cowboyway

They're mooslims and they have a goal: take over the world and exterminate the infidels.
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You're right and they are very systematically doing it, one country at a time.


43 posted on 11/08/2005 11:50:23 AM PST by Tinker3
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To: bkepley

"There is a difference I think. 1) The Latin immigrants are not in Jihad mode and 2) In America how much you assimilate is up to you; it's not that way in Europe."


I agree with you BUT there are political forces of Wing Nut Dims who would take us there ( just the way it is in Europe) in a New York minute ( 10 sec. if ur lucky!).


44 posted on 11/08/2005 3:44:32 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Common Tator
The only difference between Pat Buchanan and a Rattlesnake is Pat's rattles are a lot louder and his bite dosen't do any damage.

Really?

45 posted on 11/08/2005 5:02:36 PM PST by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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To: A. Pole

Yeah! Pat Buchhanan has almost zero political capital left
in his purse and his teeth have been pulled. His bite? Lets just say he might be able to gum a person to death. What he does have is a keen analytical mind and a sweeping view of history. Many have learned to listen to him when he seems lucid enough,and is not mounted on a horse tilting at windmills. This article was insightful.


46 posted on 11/08/2005 5:24:15 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Tinker3
You're right and they are very systematically doing it, one country at a time.

Islam is the pandemic that we need to put at the top of the Diseases To Eradicate list, not some stupid bird flu.

47 posted on 11/08/2005 8:56:33 PM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

Because the author had a clear agenda. Pat is NOT a common conservative, Pat is an isolationist. Conservatism is an open market, free enterprise ideal. Pat is a borderline, NOT EVEN BORDERLINE! issolationist. And my responses are NOT ad homminem


48 posted on 11/10/2005 3:29:25 PM PST by wickedpinto (The road map to peace is a straight line down an Israeli rifle.)
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