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The Wrong Argument, at the Wrong Place, at the Wrong Time (Slams the "Bush Lied, People Died" Crowd)
Front Page Magazine ^ | 11/07/05 | David Horowitz and Ben Johnson

Posted on 11/08/2005 3:43:51 PM PST by MikeA

FALSE CHARGES THAT PRESIDENTS LIED US INTO WAR are nothing new, nor are the recriminations leveled against President Bush’s Iraq war the most outrageous on record. The toxic allegation that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance and deliberately allowed the Japanese to destroy the Pacific fleet to get reluctant Americans to join the war was the subject of a congressional investigation at the time, the subject of a book by America's leading historian Charles Beard (President Roosevelt and the Coming of the War) and wild accusations by Clare Boothe Luce and others. Recent scholars like John Toland and Robert Stinnett have repeated the charges. Today, these are generally regard as fringe accusations just as the left's present mania will seem as such when future generations look back on the conspiracy-theorist opponents of the war for freedom in Iraq.

Naturally, the evidence weighs against the Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory, but even if it were true would it change one iota the way Americans feel having gone to war against the fascist Axis? Americans would not demand we apologize to Emperor Hirohito, nor question the way we imposed constitutional democracy on the Axis powers after a prolonged (and bloody) military conflict and years of occupation.

Democracies are reluctant to go to war in the first place. In April 1941, when Hitler had already conquered all of continental Europe, a Gallup poll showed that 70% of the American public wanted to stay out of the war. It took a Pearl Harbor to change their minds. Whether this was a Roosevelt plot to deceive and manipulate that change does not affect one iota the moral issue of whether we should have opposed the Axis powers or not. The rationale for the war, the excuse for getting America into the war, is irrelevant in the face of what we know World War II was about.

So why is the nation focusing now on a bogus argument about the rationale for the war in Iraq? There is not a shred of evidence Bush in any way manipulated or falsified intelligence, yet leftists demand investigations in order to breathe new life into conspiracy theories whose only effect can be to encourage our enemies and sap our nation's will to fight. Even if Sen. Pat Roberts’ Senate Intelligence Committee should uncover information that the president had manipulated intelligence in order to convince the American people to topple Saddam Hussein, that would not affect the question of whether the war we are in is one we should be fighting.

Yet there is no basis for expecting that any such evidence would be found. If anything, the Bush Administration has understated the world intelligence community’s evidence on Iraq’s WMD program. CIA Director George Tenet – a Clinton appointee held over by Bush – called the case that Saddam had WMDs a “slam dunk.” The National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, which Tenet produced in 2002, contained such dire predictions as:

Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear program. Iraq has chemical and biological weapons. Iraq was developing an unmanned aerial vehicle, a UAV, probably intended to deliver biological warfare agents. And all key aspects, research and development and production, of Iraq’s offensive biological weapons program are active, and that most elements are larger and more advanced than they were before the Gulf War.

That kind of unequivocal intelligence is difficult to overstate. In fact, all the world’s intelligence agencies -- including those of Russia and Jordan -- agreed Saddam possessed chemical and biological weapons, had accelerated his nuclear weapons program, and posed a gathering threat to regional stability. Much of our previous intelligence had underestimated other nations’ nuclear capacity: Soviet Russia, China, Pakistan, India, North Korea, and Iraq itself prior to Operation Desert Storm. Ba’athist Iraq’s significant ties to terrorism – including al-Qaeda affiliates – are a matter of record. That, coupled with the fact that we had no human intelligence gathering in Iraq after President Clinton allowed Saddam to kick the UN inspectors out of the country in 1998, stoked the president’s sense of urgency. He decided to take out a threat, instead of indulging the Left’s prescription: Leave the jihadists an irresistible target of 200,000 U.S. soldiers, standing on Iraq’s border while Saddam parades hapless inspectors through an endless maze of Potemkin villages, gets the UN sanctions removed, then begins his WMD program in earnest.

The Democrats know nothing will be found. In fact, previous studies – including Phase One of the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Silberman-Robb report – have cleared the president of pressuring agents to produce intelligence bolstering the case for war. Four solid reports have absolved Tony Blair of manipulating UK intelligence ex post facto, the same charge the Democrats now want to hang on President Bush. The leftists’ thirst for inquests and tribunals is a last ditch desperation effort to validate their fevered fantasies while besmirching in a partisan manner the integrity of the president of the United States through the Big Lie technique: keep repeating the allegation, and eventually, it will stick. (See the most recent heading under “Wilson, Joe.”)

And yet, even if the investigation were to find Bush guilty, the war for democracy in Iraq, the war to deny the terrorists a nation-state base in Iraq would continue, and that is only issue that really matters.

Operation Iraqi Freedom was never about existing stockpiles of WMDs: the 2002 Congressional Resolution Authorizing Force Against Iraq – brought up for a Congressional vote at the insistence of leftist Democrats and voted into law by a majority of Democrats – has 23 "whereas" clauses. Only two identify stockpiles of WMDs as a cause of the war. Twelve refer to violations of UN resolutions and the 1991 Gulf War truce.

The human rights conditions in Iraq are one way to measure the Iraq War. The brutal repression of the Iraqi people has come to an end. Torture squads have been disbanded, and rape rooms have been shuttered. Ethnic exploitation has been curtailed, as Iraq’s diverse ethnicities agreed to forge a common identity under a common government – led by a Kurd.

The orgy of freedom the world witnessed last January is another. Elated Muslims danced with glee through the streets of a nation that has seldom experienced genuine elections from its roots in ancient Babylon. Although Zarqawi declared war on the election and democracy as such, although he warned that every Muslim who voted was by that act an "infidel" and would be hunted down and killed, 58 percent of all Iraqis risked their lives to vote.They voted for democracy and against terror. They voted for the war policy of George Bush.

The recent vote for an Iraqi constitution -- the most democratic in the history of the Islamic world, included nearly 70% of the population. It embraced Sunnis as well as Shi'ites and Kurds. A new nation is being forged out of the ruins of the Saddam oppression. A war is being fought between terrorist Islam and an America-supported anti-terrorist Islam. And the Bush opposition in this country is either AWOL on this contest or supporting the other side.

The way to evaluate the war in Iraq is not by asking irrelevant and destructive questions about Colin Powell's UN speech. It is by asking questions this: Is the cause of Islamic jihad advanced or set back by the creation of an Iraqi democracy -- an anti-terrorist Iraqi democracy -- in the Middle East?

If Americans ignore the Democrats and this country maintains its resolve to stand by Iraq’s nascent democracy, history will remember President Bush’s contribution to the war against Islamofascism in the same way it remembers FDR's role in defeating the fascists in World War II. And history will remember Reid, Schumer, and their cohorts as it remembers FDR’s conspiracymongers who sabotage an earlier American war for freedom, and failed.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democrats; iraqlies; iraqwar; wmd
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And if every top Democrat from Bill Clinton on down, France, Russia, the UN, Iran, the UK and every western intelligence service were all saying Saddam had WMD long before W. Bush ever did, how is it Bush's lie exactly? Wow, not bad for a "dumb guy." Bush got nearly the entire world to go along with the WMD "lie" before he was even president.
1 posted on 11/08/2005 3:43:53 PM PST by MikeA
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To: MikeA

It's this fundamental flaw in the liberal argument that makes me chuckle every time.

How did Bush lie before he was in a position to lie?

How did the Governor of Texas get Senate Democrats and a Democrat President to state lies about Iraq?

It's ridiculous.


2 posted on 11/08/2005 3:45:24 PM PST by nuffsenuff (Don't get stuck on Stupid - General Russ Honore Sept 21, 2005)
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To: MikeA

bttt


4 posted on 11/08/2005 3:51:10 PM PST by Christian4Bush ("A gov't big enough to give you all you want is a gov't big enough to take all you have." G.Ford)
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bookmark


5 posted on 11/08/2005 3:54:18 PM PST by federal
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To: Christian4Bush

I've been on FR since March 2000. I still don't know what "bttt" means. Forgive my ignorance, but could you help me out here? What is it?


6 posted on 11/08/2005 3:56:23 PM PST by MikeA
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To: MikeA

ping for later


7 posted on 11/08/2005 3:59:12 PM PST by Jewelsetter
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To: MikeA

Bump To The Top !! so more people can view the article.


8 posted on 11/08/2005 3:59:37 PM PST by livesbygrace
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To: nuffsenuff

Or why would he lie or manipulate to go into Iraq to prove he was lying??????

Such is liberal logic.


9 posted on 11/08/2005 4:00:17 PM PST by roses of sharon
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To: livesbygrace

Oh thanks. At last I know! Does doing BTTT actually move the article to the top of the list?


10 posted on 11/08/2005 4:01:07 PM PST by MikeA
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To: MikeA

BTTT


11 posted on 11/08/2005 4:02:43 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: MikeA

The answer is yes it bumps to the top.
Now, a question that has been bugging me is WHY has the White House not been more forceful in combatting the lies of the Democrats, Joe Wilson, and ad nauseum. I mean the President has all kinds of people he can use on the media.
So what is he waiting for?


12 posted on 11/08/2005 4:04:50 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: MikeA
I don't know how many of you saw tonight's FNC "All-Stars", but Fred went on at length about how the left is trashing GWB at will (including the aforementioned lies) and getting NOTHING in response.

Unless, of course, you count Scott McClellan, who's an even more accomodating punching bag than GWB himself.

What the hell is wrong with this administration?

Or the entire party, for that matter?

Bush shouldn't HAVE to defend himself...there are plenty of Republicans that could come to his defense; but, obviously, they have better things to do; like building a "bridge to nowhere."

I haven't seen this kind of political impotence since Gerald Ford.

13 posted on 11/08/2005 4:05:15 PM PST by daler
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To: MikeA
"And if every top Democrat from Bill Clinton on down, France, Russia, the UN, Iran, the UK and every western intelligence service were all saying Saddam had WMD long before W. Bush ever did, how is it Bush's lie exactly?"

Yup. Makes perfect sense. Once Bush said what everyone else had been saying it wasn't true any more. Who can deny such obvious logic?

14 posted on 11/08/2005 4:09:10 PM PST by GBA
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To: MikeA
I've been on FR since March 2000. I still don't know what "bttt" means. Forgive my ignorance, but could you help me out here? What is it?

Adding to what someone else replied to you, it also can mean "bump to the top" of your PING list. Whenever you post a reply, it is added to your Ping list (private replies are not). Usually when I quickly glance through an article that I would like to save for later viewing, I will reply "bttt", "bump for later", or just plain "bump".

And don't think of it as ignorance. It's a learning curve. Trust me, I didn't get it right away either. Also, in your Search browser, enter "posting help" or "HTML"...it'll explain how to do italics, bold, underline, different font colors, et. al.

15 posted on 11/08/2005 4:10:02 PM PST by Christian4Bush ("A gov't big enough to give you all you want is a gov't big enough to take all you have." G.Ford)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

I am absolutely astonished at how flacid Bush has been in not responding to these lies. Look at how good the Clintonistas and the Democrats were at rebutting their opponents at every turn, though certainly mostly with lies, smears and slander. Bush has the truth on his side and refuses to leverage it to be his demagogue opponents to shame. I just don't get what's going on. Who is responsible for muzzling Bush?? Is this Rove tuning Bush's ear too much to how rebutting his enemies will play in the media and what they'll do to throw it back in Bush's face? If so, maybe it is time for Rove to leave if he's making Bush this timid.


16 posted on 11/08/2005 4:14:16 PM PST by MikeA
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To: nuffsenuff

I agree. I find it rediculous that people that would HAIL Bill Clinton for SAYING saddam had to go and for making that notion POLICY of the USA are the very same ones that so venomously OPPOSE Bush actually DOING IT.

The left has spent the last 5 years (or so) making themselves look like COMPLETE fools. I am confident that history will frown upon their actions for generations to come.


17 posted on 11/08/2005 4:14:41 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: Christian4Bush

Thanks for that! I've wondered about how to use different fonts, italics, etc. Now I know where to look. Many thanks.


18 posted on 11/08/2005 4:15:39 PM PST by MikeA
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To: MikeA

HTML Sandbox (so you won't have to go hunting for it later)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285967/posts


19 posted on 11/08/2005 4:18:25 PM PST by Christian4Bush ("A gov't big enough to give you all you want is a gov't big enough to take all you have." G.Ford)
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To: Christian4Bush

Thanks a ton! I wish I had known about that years ago! All the times I wanted to use italics to emphasize a point or change font color or size, underline, highlight, etc. and I had no clue you even could do those things. Well I guess I had seen people who did, but I had no idea how they were doing it. I saved the link in my favorites.


20 posted on 11/08/2005 4:23:28 PM PST by MikeA
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