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Fighting is for men ("Feminists perceive the military as simply one more...social institution...")
National Post - Canada ^ | Wednesday, November 09, 2005 | Barbara Kay

Posted on 11/09/2005 8:38:12 AM PST by GMMAC

Fighting is for men

Barbara Kay
National Post
Wednesday, November 09, 2005


As soon as Remembrance Day lapel poppies make their annual appearance, wars, old and new, occupy my thoughts. I am especially keen to see the film Jarhead, which tells the story of a U.S. Marine who fought in the first Gulf War. By all accounts, Jarhead follows on other classics of the war-movie genre by answering the timeless question of why young males are willing to face torturous training, brutal hazing, long-term celibacy, excruciating tedium, dust, mud and the risk of death (or worse) in war.

Jarhead will no doubt be seen as hate propaganda in peace-loving Canada, where pacifism is in vogue, and traditional military values are viewed with suspicion. Not coincidentally, our Canadian Forces (CF) are deeply demoralized; military historian Jack Granatstein predicts a mass exodus of 20% over the next few years.

Reviving a military with cruelly degraded mechanical resources -- with virtually no significant new funds available for use until 2009-10 -- will be a difficult job for recently appointed Chief of Defence Staff Rick Hillier. His most pressing task is to stem rampant attrition -- in 1993, enlistment stood at 80,000; in 2005, at 58,000. Re-masculating the Forces would be a good place to start.

Nothing better illustrates Hillier's uphill battle than political termagant Carolyn Parrish's reaction to his perfectly reasonable assertion, in July, that terrorists are "scumbags ... who detest our freedoms" and that it is the Forces' job "to be able to kill people." She declared Hillier "dangerous" and "testosterone-fuelled."

Parish's reflexive hostility to Hillier's personal manliness is, unfortunately, emblematic of the anti-male attitude behind the transformation of our combat forces into the integrated, "sensitive" New Military. Women have served in the CF since 1951, and today represent up to 14% of the CF. They were deployed in support roles until a Human Rights tribunal in 1989 struck down barriers to all service options, including combat.

This meant integrated training with men. Since then, it's goodbye testosterone, hello estrogen, PMS, pregnancy -- and lower, gentler criteria. The single-standard Old Military shaped recruits to meet fixed benchmarks. The double-standard New Military fixes benchmarks to meet enlistees' shapes.

To maintain the fiction of gender neutrality insisted upon by the social engineers who pressed for integration, and produce the appearance of equality of outcomes, co-ed physical training has been dumbed down to accommodate women's lesser strength and ability, an insulting disservice to male recruits. But women also have female reproductive issues that can't be similarly obscured, and that receive special treatment. Pregnancy, for example, allows women to withdraw from combat duty with honour, while men have no such combat escape hatch. Some "equity."

Feminists perceive the military as simply one more government or social institution in need of accelerated PC behaviour modification to ensure functional and numerical parity for women. Manliness as a virtue has already been eradicated from scholarship, early education, child psychology, family law, and social work. Now it is the military's turn.

But combat troops aren't like teachers or postal workers or bus drivers. The military is -- was -- a unique, genetics-dependent culture, as specific to males as midwifery is to females. Men don't fight for the feminist ideal of androgyny, but to protect the women they love -- wives, daughters, mothers, sisters -- and the values they represent -- normalcy, freedom and peace. Former U.S. infantry officer Brian Mitchell, author of Women in the Military: Flirting with Disaster, points out that rather than shortfalls being a reason to recruit women, recruiting women causes shortfalls: "The more attractive you make the military look to women, the less attractive you make it look to men."

In spite of the military's ardent courtship, women leave the CF for domestic obligations or greener career pastures at double to triple the rate for men. Add extra expense for female-specific injury and medical needs, double those of men's, not to mention costly flights of PC-induced idiocy (our Forces once commissioned a pregnancy combat uniform), and you have an institution in denial. Sadly, according to Granatstein, "It will take a large number of dead female soldiers before we snap back to reality".

Rick Hillier's comments have been labelled "controversial." Nonsense. He's a breath of fresh air, a role model for young men seeking purpose and self-realization through the ultimate male bonding experience.

Apart from rear-service, medical and administrative functions, where they shine, women don't belong in the CF. Hillier would do well to take a leaf from the Jarheads' copybook. Unlike the other Services, the U.S. Marines enlisted women, but successfully resisted integrated training. Consequently, they are the only U.S. Service to have easily met their recruitment goals, ensuring their continuing capability to field the world's most motivated, cohesive and effective combat units. More power to them.

© National Post 2005


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: canada; feminism; liberals; military; pcstupidity; remembranceday
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1 posted on 11/09/2005 8:38:13 AM PST by GMMAC
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To: GMMAC

I don't mind women serving in any role in business, education, or government. I am very concerned however about the push to put them in more military roles and some of the roles some women are serving in Iraq. The simple basic biological fact is that women are not as physically strong or as fast as men. Sending out soldiers who are not as equipped to do the job puts the lives of everyone in the unit at risk. This is one area where we need to stand up to the PC police.


2 posted on 11/09/2005 8:41:02 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: SmoothTalker

"I don't mind women serving in any role in business, education, or government."

Well, we got into this mess step by step, I guess we'll have to get out of it the same way.


3 posted on 11/09/2005 8:45:36 AM PST by dsc
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To: GMMAC
I am especially keen to see the film Jarhead, which tells the story of a U.S. Marine who fought in the first Gulf War. By all accounts, Jarhead follows on other classics of the war-movie genre by answering the timeless question of why young males are willing to face torturous training, brutal hazing, long-term celibacy, excruciating tedium, dust, mud and the risk of death (or worse) in war.

Don't waste your money. By all accounts it was a bomb of incredible proportions...

4 posted on 11/09/2005 8:46:17 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: GMMAC
"...rather than shortfalls being a reason to recruit women, recruiting women causes shortfalls: "The more attractive you make the military look to women, the less attractive you make it look to men."

<DING-DING-DING-DING!!!> We got a winner!

Amazing that it was even said aloud!

5 posted on 11/09/2005 8:46:41 AM PST by thulldud (The Democratic military vote is the REAL "Army of One".)
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To: GMMAC

Takes a woman to tell it to the girly men in Canada.

...rather than shortfalls being a reason to recruit women, recruiting women causes shortfalls...

Is anyone in Washington listening to this common sense?


6 posted on 11/09/2005 8:46:56 AM PST by Bigg Red (Do not trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: GMMAC

<<<<
Fighting is for men
>>>>>

Good, lets leave it at that then.


7 posted on 11/09/2005 8:51:26 AM PST by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot


So let me get this straight...

The left wants to sit around and talk about how movies and TV viciously stereotype everyone until a movie comes out that they like. Then it's used as an example of how society is/should be.

Yeah, that makes so much sense. Idiots.


8 posted on 11/09/2005 8:59:24 AM PST by Tzimisce
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To: GMMAC
"...rather than shortfalls being a reason to recruit women, recruiting women causes shortfalls: "The more attractive you make the military look to women, the less attractive you make it look to men."

"DING DING DING! What do we have for her, Johnny?"

9 posted on 11/09/2005 9:01:21 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; coteblanche; ...
PING!
10 posted on 11/09/2005 9:01:53 AM PST by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: GMMAC

If the girls really want to fight the military ought to put together an all woman regiment and send them into the next big combat operation that comes up. That way they either stand or fall on their own merit and not take credit for the successes of any men. I have a feeling that the talk about women warriors would come to a screeching halt after a battle or two.


11 posted on 11/09/2005 9:03:34 AM PST by Mogollon
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To: Tzimisce; All

Previous Democrat administrations looked at the military as a political issue that had to be spun like all others.

The current Republican administration views the military as a tool of national will.

All decisions that came out of each administration were and are borne of that difference.


12 posted on 11/09/2005 9:04:55 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: SmoothTalker

I agree, as long as we're not talking about removing women from combat aviation. There's a difference between being in the air and on the ground.

Also, we have to look at the reasons the military wants women - because there aren't enough brave young men willing to defend their country - too many cowards.


13 posted on 11/09/2005 9:32:57 AM PST by SweetPilotofCanuckistan
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To: GMMAC
""It will take a large number of dead female soldiers before we snap back to reality".

No it won't; not unless the muzzies have an uprising a la Seine.

15 posted on 11/09/2005 9:42:31 AM PST by jjm2111 (99.7 FM Radio Kuwait)
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To: SmoothTalker

"The simple basic biological fact is that women are not as physically strong or as fast as men."

Right on. Not only did God choose to make men physically stronger, but emotionally stronger. Even having women in combat support roles in this recent conflict has put them in harms way. Not to mention the ratio of men to women makes the potential for abuse and rape high.


16 posted on 11/09/2005 9:44:04 AM PST by Im Gonna Need a Hacksaw
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To: GMMAC

Time for my most flaming post ever. Women may have their place in the military, but with rare exceptions, I haven't seen it yet. I've served. I've been deployed. I'm an officer.

I have not seen one female officer who could cut the mustard. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Not one; in years of service. Fellow officer whith whom I've had this conversation feel the same thing. Female officers are either incompetent, have some sort of emotional complex, or both. Not one that I've met is an effective leader in any way. Every female officer I've known personally has tried to use their gender to their advantage when dealing with men. Almost every one has broken the basic tenets of leadership.

As for enlisted, I have run across a few very competent and sane females and can think of one who was just outstanding in almost every aspect; but generally female enlisteds that I come across are either incompetent, have a complex, or both. Generally, they will not follow orders. They will complain and try to weasel out of anything approaching hard work. They go to sick call much more often the guys and are much more likely to need a replacement for duties than guys who are sick. Females generally do not pick up spatial-mechanical tasks like driving and weapons as well as guys and have a hard time doing it under pressure.

I want to believe that females are great in the military and wonderful and can fight for and/or serve their country just as well as men, but my personal experiences have shown the opposite.


17 posted on 11/09/2005 9:56:24 AM PST by jjm2111 (99.7 FM Radio Kuwait)
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To: GMMAC

The only army women should fight in is the French Army.


18 posted on 11/09/2005 10:02:43 AM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: jjm2111

Those of us who have seen the grim horror at the sharp end of infantry combat (as I did in a Mech Infantry outfit in Vietnam) are concerned at the rhetoric of many of those pushing the women in combat agenda. Daily we are regaled by the sight of 110 lb. women routinely beating the stuffing out of 250 lb male behemoths in choreographed entertainment fantasies like Buffy the vampire Slayer, Dark Angel, Tomb Raider and the Matrix Reloaded. We all listened breathlessly to the initial (later revealed as inaccurate) reports of brave little Jessica Lynch mowing down hordes of Iraqis.

It is only natural that with this continual barrage of opinion shaping that an attitude will begin to form that women are just as generally capable of participating in infantry combat as men are, with a comensurate erosion of the rationale for excluding them in the first place.

This is not to say that women can not serve in positions that enhance military capability, they are already serving in them, and serving well and honorably. It was Nazi Armament Minister Albert Speer who cited the German failure to mobilize their women in the manner that the Allies did in WWII as a significant factor in the Nazi defeat. In situations involving large scale mobilization, they are essential. (Don't forget that the Soviets only did it because of the hugely staggering quantity of casualties that they suffered, on a scale that we can scarcely concieve of) That is not the case now as most personnel requirements could be met with the available pool of qualified males. Today, the issue is clouded by feminists and their societal influence ranging from lefist cum Marxist to liberal gender equity advocates. All too often combat readinesss, morale and unit cohesion is secondary to remaking the military institution into one which advances a radical social agenda. The decision to incorporate such large numbers of women into today's military is a political decision, not one of military necessity has was the case with the Soviets during World War II.

One of the problems in assesing the impact of this issue vis-a-vis the Iraq war is the fact that we handily defeated them with the forces that were already in place in the invasion phase. Due to a combination of the skill of our superbly trained, equipped, motivated soldiers; and the ineptitude of our enemy (but they are getting better) our casualty rate has been thankfully far lower than we should have been reasonably able to expect given historical precedents. Notwithstanding this the question must be asked as to what would happen should we face an enemy that could inflict the sort of casualties on us has was the case during the fighting in northwest Europe in WWII? The United States Army was forced to comb out military personnel who had been assigned to the Army Specialized Training program as technical personnel (aircrew, radar operators, etc) and convert them to infantry to replace the staggering losses. Since 14% of the Army is not deployable to such duty (women) this does not bode well for such an eventuality. While we can continue to pray that we will never again face an enemy that will be able to attrite us as the German and Japanese Armies did, we MUST not plan as though it will never again happen. The Iraq war as it is presently playing out IS NO TEST OF THIS PROPOSITION.

Many commentators are relentless in their determination to ignore the considerable body of factual evidence indicating that the present policy of sexual intergration is inconsistent with certain vital forms of combat readiness. Study after study (reinforced by my 20 yrs of anecdotal observation in the active duty military and NG) highlight the physical unsuitability of most women for the tasks of the combat soldier, and often even the support soldier. My personal observations include the inability to change the tires on military vehicles, clear routine stoppages on M60 medium MG's and .50 cal HMG's, carry heavy loads any appreciable distances at necessary speeds, lift and evacuate casualties, and an inordinate disposition to injury. The reason that the military adopted "dual physical training standards" was to ensure politically acceptable numbers of women, since 40-60% of them would be washed out if they were required to meet male physical training requirements. My son, a reservist in a NG chopper unit, is contemptuous of what he describes as continual coddling of female soldiers. He is planning to transfer to an infantry unit.

In situations of full mobilization, women are essential. I believe that women are a militarily valuable asset, provided that asset is used in a manner that makes the military ready to fight, and subordinates feminist social engineering to that end.

Hundreds of thousands of women have served and are serving their country honorably and well. I honor them for their service and accept them as comrades and fellow veterans. We can only hope that their service will be continued in such a manner as to enhance the ability of the military to fight. The potential consequences for the individual soldier and the military's mission are too serious to subordinate to social engineering.

The present situation is largely impelled by PC and gender politics, and the defense establishment is yielding to that reality.


19 posted on 11/09/2005 6:14:01 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: SweetPilotofCanuckistan

"I agree, as long as we're not talking about removing women from combat aviation. There's a difference between being in the air and on the ground. "

Woman are, if anything, even more out of place in a cockpit than in a foxhole.

I don't care if it's karate, knife fighting, boxing, infantry combat, CIC on a ship of the line, or an aircraft, fighting is fighting, and women are just not wired for it.

There may be some women that can sometimes do better than mediocre men, but the best men will always be better than the best women. Always.

Fighter jocks are the best of the best of the best. IOW, no woman could possibly qualify on a level playing field, or be anything other than a danger to the men around her if affirmative actioned above her ability.

Besides, what is the point of fighting a war if the women are dead at the end of it? Men might as well slit their own throats and spare themselves the trouble.


20 posted on 11/10/2005 2:07:18 AM PST by dsc
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