Higher education creates poverty

Marshall University Parthenon ^ | 11/9/2005 | MICHAEL HUPP

[truemiester]

YES! YES!! HAA-HAA

[VOA]

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[A Ruckus of Dogs]

Me, I'm glad my daughter went to a four year college that requires not only a certain number of humanity, social science, and science classes, but even designates which social science, humanity, and science classes fulfill the University Distribution requirements, since not all classes are so designated. I want her not only to be a good engineer, but also to have an appreciation of the human condition.

This is like saying that those who don't take these classes or who don't go to college have no appreciation of the human condition, which is totally false. People who are interested in the human condition do their own reading - they do not need to be forced into it.

But as you say, different strokes for different folks.

[verity]

"A liberal Arts education teaches one how to live, but it does not teach one how to earn a living.

[Ninian Dryhope]

"People who are interested in the human condition do their own reading - they do not need to be forced into it."

True, and there is nothing stopping a person from going to the library and getting a book and teaching themselves calculus, chemistry, physics, computer programing, etc., but somehow, people tend to learn better when they are taught the information in a structured setting by a knowledgeable professor.

[A Ruckus of Dogs]

True, and there is nothing stopping a person from going to the library and getting a book and teaching themselves calculus, chemistry, physics, computer programing, etc., but somehow, people tend to learn better when they are taught the information in a structured setting by a knowledgeable professor.

I would not put the hard sciences into a "learning by yourself category" for most people, although I've taught myself a programming language or two when my job required it. Philosophy and the humanities, yes. That's why they make less money in the market - because they are easy to learn.

[hupp2]

For the recored. I work two jobs totaling sixty hours a week on top of the 18 hours I take at Marshall University and yes Marshall will accept any idiot with a check book. Too bad this idiot is the managing editor, that is why I am allowed to write columns.

[hupp2]

Hate to tell you this, but i work sixty hours a week on top of a full scholl schedule. I have worked since I was fourteen and have paid all of my bills on my own. My mom is disabled and my father has not been around for a long time. Way to go skippy.

[hupp2]

Ok, school. see what a $40,000 college debt gets you. haha

[radiohead]

I'm not sure why you're so full of vitriol at me. What did I say to you?

And, Skippy, I'm a 52 year old woman on my 2nd career, working, going to grad school, running a home. At one point, I worked in NYC, commuting daily from Philly, and taking classes at night. My husband died when my son was 14 and I have been doing everything for us as a family since then. Everyone does what s/he has to do.

You're not the only one who gets to play the violins, Skippy. You don't get to tell me about working and carrying the heavy load that life handed you.

[texassizednightcrawler]

Your suppose to feel sorry for him considering he picked a major where jobs are being cut left and right, because readership is down. I am not sure what his comments have to do with the article. Also he is up set that was criticized. After all it was the capitalist system fault you know. BTW radiohead good luck with second career.

[bannie]

Rich kids will get to go to college, while the poor ones will not be able to afford it.

scholarships. Kids whose parents make "enough" can't get many of them.

I JUST DO NOT BUY THIS.

[chs68]

"The same privileged few running our country will continue to rule. The poor will continue to struggle to live, thanks to less government assistance."

You have learned well, young grasshopper. Your liberal masters are most pleased.

It is the Government that is the source of all assistance and all wealth.

If Government assistance is not available, then the "poor will continue to struggle to live".

Very, very good, grasshopper.

[Seamoth]

$40,000 college debt gets you

You chose that debt over going to one of the many perfectly fine public state colleges out there. You have no right to complain.

[texassizednightcrawler]

Are you telling me I cannot be critical your writing? Are you telling me I have no right to speak? Hell, I have take 18 hours before so what. Do you want to us to feel sad for you?

There are many people like me who have long ago cut my newspaper expense out my budget, because of stupid liberal articles that we don't want to read. That is one of the reasons newspapers are firing people. No one told you to choose this major. You made that choice on your own and your to live with that decision. It is not the capitalist systems fault it is your own. It is called personal responsibility (something that is missing from your article). Sadly, personal responsibility is something lacking in our society. You have failed the real world test. You were unable to defend your article in the arena of ideas. Mr. Hupp congress is not cutting student loans they are cutting rate at which the program is being expanded a key fact you left out of your story. In addition, your article showed me you have no idea what the problems are in the West Virginia job market. I will give you a hint. It employs 70% of America. It is small business. How many small business do you see in given day in WV. WV is hostile to business most people would rather start a business in a better business environment. Consequentially, you end up working as waitress in corporate owned restaurant (especially if you major in classical studies). I am a twice alumnus of Marshall. I read the student paper, because I keep getting calls about giving to the school. BTW, what the heck is a big oil hurricane?

[mel]

Oh wow, do those pics fit the serious goals of FR?

[nevadagril435]

What you say is a load of bull. I don't EVEN HAVE my Associates of Applied Science in Graphic Design yet and I have had job offers STARTING at $25,000 a year. My old man has an Associates of Aviation Electronics he got while in the Air Force. Upon retirement he had his pick of the lot for jobs. He now makes $60,000 A YEAR!!! with just an Associates! He could have worked for an airline as a technician but turned it down because of the up-down economy of the airline industry. So don't tell me that a trade school is worthless. People with Microsoft certification make lots of money. And all of my relatives who started out with an associates degree in the hospital industry were never hurting for jobs as they worked as Nursing Assistants along the way while trying for their RN degree. A Bachelors may be required for some degrees, like Journalism, but in many fields you are overqualified.

[downtownconservative]

This is true. However, I have found that those in positions to make decisions about financial aid strongly favor giving debt-free grants to lower-income students but loans to middle and higher-income students.

The problem with this, (as I see it) is that these decisions are predicated on the parent's income. So, 4 years later when these students graduate, and are independent of their parents, the tables are completely turned. If they attend a top-tier, the student whose parents made $60,000 or more per year, and could not qualify for debt-free grants will now owe $130,000 in student debt, while the student whose parents made less than $35,000 to $40,000 will probably owe nothing.

They both attended the same prestigious institution with presumably the same prospects for the same jobs, and yet, their start in life is quite different. Welcome to the financial aid games. Its purpose is wealth redistribution and it works. Stash your cash and quit your job before your child enters college!!!