Danny Ocean Defends The Rather Network (Ann Coulter)

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[billhilly]

OK. Now I know. Thanks. You grew up in a nice place. did you do any salt water fishing?

[smoothsailing]

You betcha! Spot,Croaker and Flounder! Yummy!

[Lancey Howard]

You liberal fat chicks crack me up.

[Torie]

Yes, hard to know, all we can do is get a sense of it, or become McCarthy hobbyists. We are about 20 years too young, to have witnessed it at the creation. But we do know, that McCarthy announced he had a list of x numbers of commies, when he did not. We also know that he was a drunk, whom about a year after he was censured with lots of GOP votes, died of cirrhosis of the liver. McCarthy would never have survived 10 minutes in the internet age. And that much, at least is good.

[Torie]

No, I have not. If you have faclets from it, that are relevant, feel free to post them.

[joebuck]

"You want bravery? Try sitting all the way through "Solaris."

She's right about this. I did it and it wasn't ~shudder~ pretty.

[smoothsailing]

LOL! I should add, Lake Smith is fresh water, so that's not where I caught my fish!

[billhilly]

We had a house in Kill Devil Hills until last fall, and for many years the beaches on the Outer Banks were my refuge.

We had fresh fish for breakfast on many mornings following my sunrise forays. Of course, I had to catch, clean and cook.

[kcvl]

George Clooney’s Clueless Movie

by Allan H. Ryskind
Posted Oct 14, 2005


If George Clooney’s Good Night, and Good Luck is the best shot the left can unload on Joe McCarthy these days, the famous Red hunter is well on his way to a thorough rehabilitation. Ann Coulter has already begun the process in Treason and Stan Evans’ much anticipated book—due out next year—is likely to boost the late Wisconsin senator’s stock even further.

The movie is really about CBS’s star journalist, Edward R. Murrow (played by David Strathairn), and how he went after McCarthy, who is featured only in film footage from the archives. As Clooney (and most historians) would have it, the senator was a vicious, unscrupulous bully who ruined the lives of scores of innocent people by labeling them Reds. So where are the bloody corpses in Clooney’s movie? They’re totally missing. In fact, Clooney—who directed and helped write the movie—doesn’t show a single person who was done in by the senator’s supposedly reckless charges. Not one!
Murrow’s Whitewash

Nor is it even clear from the movie that McCarthy ever seriously accused anyone unjustly. He might have, but Clooney certainly doesn’t prove it. There are hints that McCarthy may have been wrong in charging Annie Lee Moss, the Pentagon code clerk, with having been a Communist Party member. But the Clooney picture is actually opaque on that point and the truth is McCarthy was absolutely right in charging her with party membership (see more on Moss below).

The Murrow character, who uses the journalist’s real words, does suggest that McCarthy was engaged in smear-mongering when he laid the wood to the American Civil Liberties Union, insisting it had been labeled a “front” for the Communists. Murrow’s retort was that the ACLU was not on any subversive list of the federal government. In Murrow’s view (and clearly in Clooney’s), that rebuttal clinched the case that the Wisconsin lawmaker was an irresponsible demagogue. But, as we shall note shortly, the ACLU was rightly considered a subversive organization during the early 1930s, the period the senator was referring to.

What’s stranger still is that Clooney dwells at some length on the case of Lt. Milo Radulovich, on the verge of being ousted as a security risk from the Air Force Reserve because two of his relatives were radicals, possibly Communists.


More...


http://tinyurl.com/75lmz

[kcvl]

Annie Lee Moss

[smoothsailing]

Just check with your local library, I'm sure they'll be glad to get it for you, if they don't already have it.

Then you can read it at your leisure, and decide for yourself what's relevent.

[Torie]

Oh, I thought you had some goodies at the tip of your tongue. I saw the newsreels of McCarthy ranting that he had a list of x numbers of Commies in the state department. It turned out to be a lie.

[Lancey Howard]

I would love to see her debate clooney.

George would not do that in a million years.

[smoothsailing]

Tailgunner was right about her.

[Rastus]

But we do know, that McCarthy announced he had a list of x numbers of commies, when he did not.

Grade A BS.

In the Wheeling speech, McCarthy referred to a letter that Secretary of State James Byrnes sent to Congressman Adolph Sabath in 1946. In that letter, Byrnes said that State Department security investigators had declared 284 persons unfit to hold jobs in the department because of communist connections and other reasons, but that only 79 had been discharged, leaving 205 still on the State Department's payroll. McCarthy told his Wheeling audience that while he did not have the names of the 205 mentioned in the Byrnes letter, he did have the names of 57 who were either members of or loyal to the Communist Party. On February 20, 1950, McCarthy gave the Senate information about 81 individuals - the 57 referred to at Wheeling and 24 others of less importance and about whom the evidence was less conclusive.

He didn't make these names public because "if I were to give all the names involved, it might leave a wrong impression. If we should label one man a communist when he is not a communist, I think it would be too bad." What McCarthy did was to identify the individuals only by case numbers, not by their names. But, he DID give the names to Senate investigators.

The [Tydings] committee cleared everyone on McCarthy's list, but within a year the State Department started proceedings against 49 of the 62. By the end of 1954, 81 of those on McCarthy's list had left the government either by dismissal or resignation.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1996/vo12no18/vo12no18_mccarthy.htm

[Rastus]

The only lie would be if you said you knew what you were talking about.

[Torie]

LOL. I admit I don't know enough to take you on. But if you are right, that McCarthy was right, and had the goods, then that would amaze me. He must have had an imcompetent staff.

[Torie]

Isn't the New American the Bircher or other such kook rag? Try to find something from some more creditable rag.

[nopardons]

bttt

[Rastus]

Attacking the source. Just like the other anti-McCarthy nuts. Well, there are plenty of good books on McCarthy that contain the same information, from people like Brent Bozell and William F. Buckley. Sorry if they're too right-wing and biased for you.