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A Demoralized FreeRepublic. What is the Solution? (Vanity)
Nov/10/05 | jveritas

Posted on 11/10/2005 10:24:15 AM PST by jveritas

The tone on FR is very demoralized. Liberals and their media unfortunately have succeeded in demoralizing a large number of freepers. From their constant savage attacks on the President and the Republican Party with lies and distortions, to their biased polls, to blaming the President for everything under the sun, many freepers are feeling very demoralized. They are further demoralized because President Bush is not fighting back, because the RINOS in Congress are screwing thing up for the President agenda. Add to that a huge numbers of trolls who infiltrated FR in 2004 and 2005 to divide and demoralize by creating doom and gloom, and piling on the President and the GOP.

So what are the solutions for the demoralization problem?

(1) Stop the knee jerk reaction every time the liberal media write an article telling us that President Bush and the GOP are finished. Stop taking every biased poll as the end of all. No doubt that the President approval is down but no doubt that the polls are so biased to take 6 or 7 points more from his approval numbers. Never before we have had so many polls coming in an off election year and the reason for this is very simple. The media is doing all these biased polls to demoralize the Republican base and it is succeeding to “some” degree as we see from the knee jerk reaction of many freepers. The media is taking any event that is happening and distort it with the most negative spin to demoralize us. Rather than falling for the media lies, distortions and very negative spin we must take anything they write or say turn it around on them and destroy all their lies and spin.

(2) Ask the White House to fight back the lies and distortions of liberal and their media whores. How do we do this? Demand replacing Scott Maclelan? Besides new junkies like us how many people listen to Scott Maclelan? Ask the President to hold a press conference every week to expose the lies liberals and their media? Do you want the President to spend his time fighting every lie and distortion made by liberals and their media? How can we guarantee that the media will cover what the President is saying or what any of his spoke people are saying? Can they just ignore what is he saying?

(3) Put pressure on the RINOS to stop screwing the President agenda. How do we do this? Ask the White to twist their arms? What if the RINOS say to the White House “Screw you”? Ask the GOP leadership in Congress to twist their arms? What if the RINOS also tell them “Screw you”?

(4) Purge the trolls who infiltrated FR in large numbers in 2004 and 2005. These trolls are not necessarily someone who spread Dummy crap on FR. They put on a phony conservative mask and bash the President and the GOP on every occasion. Their main goal is to divide and demoralize. Their job is to spread doom and gloom. Purging these guys can stop a lot of the infighting and the demoralization that is going on. We need to report these trolls to the mods and do not let them get away with this.


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1 posted on 11/10/2005 10:24:15 AM PST by jveritas
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2 posted on 11/10/2005 10:25:39 AM PST by Sister_T (Kenneth Blackwell for Governor of Ohio!)
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To: jveritas
What if the RINOS say to the White House “Screw you”? Ask the GOP leadership in Congress to twist their arms? What if the RINOS also tell them “Screw you”?

Then we'll say "Screw you" when we vote them out.

3 posted on 11/10/2005 10:26:08 AM PST by darkangel82
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To: jveritas

The solution is to get on the "rioting in Europe" threads and make fun of the French: that always cheers me up.


4 posted on 11/10/2005 10:26:09 AM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: jveritas

(5) Stop the proliferation of whining vanities that add nothing to the Forum whatsoever.


5 posted on 11/10/2005 10:26:19 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: jveritas

I am raising my hand right now....as someone who is not demoralized....

BUT...the answer to one of your questions is: get rid of the Congressidiots that are betraying their country...

It will take time...but we can do it...we helped defeat Daschle last year...


6 posted on 11/10/2005 10:26:44 AM PST by Txsleuth (I am the real TXSLEUTH...please freepmail me if you doubt it.)
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To: jveritas

The GOP can grow some nads. That would solve a lot of problems.


7 posted on 11/10/2005 10:26:53 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Good job Ohio, we defeated George Soros at the ballot box 2 years in a row)
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To: D.P.Roberts
The solution is to get on the "rioting in Europe" threads and make fun of the French: that always cheers me up.

That's funny cause its true...it's aways a quick pick-me-up

8 posted on 11/10/2005 10:27:19 AM PST by kanecorp
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To: jveritas
We're depressed?

9 posted on 11/10/2005 10:28:20 AM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: jveritas
What is the Solution?

Beer....

10 posted on 11/10/2005 10:28:24 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: jveritas
When election day looms.....American voters have one choice.

Do they trust Democrats to keep them safe?

I believe many Americans believe that a Democrat in the White House would bring us France.

Republicans are not fervent enough fighting back against the enemy...especially the domestic enemy...Democrats.

I fear Democrats much more than the terrorists.

11 posted on 11/10/2005 10:28:27 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: jveritas

am i troll because i criticize the president when he doesnt represent the conservative principles that made me vote him and the gop congress into office?


12 posted on 11/10/2005 10:28:37 AM PST by philsfan24
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To: jveritas
(5) Spread the word that Democrat politicans not only are chicken, they taste like chicken if broiled. Not only should it reduce the popuation of 'rat politicians, it should keep cannables busy for years.

(6) Official friday SIllines thread agumented with Monday Mornonics, Tuesday Titilation, Wonderbra Wednesdays, and Insult a Kennedy Thurdsays. Saturday and Sundays will be officially called Vast Right Wing Conspriacy observance days.

13 posted on 11/10/2005 10:28:51 AM PST by pikachu (You're unique and special -- just like everyone else.)
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To: jveritas
I think a lot of it is the realization that the MSM still has the power to define the debate - not 100% like they used to, but still they can drive issues.

The fact that the Prez's approval ratings are down on issues that involve flagrant lies by Dim and Lib players is depressing. The Conservative media just cannot fight aginst the Dominant Lib media on an even level yet. We have about 5-10% of the media and they still have the rest of the 90-95%.

We were under the illusion that we would win all or most of the battles from here on out. There is still a long way to go.

Conservatives are also demoralized by a President who does not throw the gloves on the ground and start swinging. Of course the emasculated leadership in congress doesn't help much.

14 posted on 11/10/2005 10:28:51 AM PST by keithtoo (Vast Right Wing Conspiracy - Founding Member)
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To: jveritas

It's the policies, stupid.

We'd be "moralized" if the policies were better.


15 posted on 11/10/2005 10:29:10 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: jveritas
(6) End the censorship of regular Freepers who express an opinion that not everyone agrees with.
16 posted on 11/10/2005 10:29:28 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: jveritas

Purge the trolls who infiltrated FR in large numbers in 2004 and 2005. These trolls are not necessarily someone who spread Dummy crap on FR. They put on a phony conservative mask and bash the President and the GOP on every occasion. Their main goal is to divide and demoralize. Their job is to spread doom and gloom. Purging these guys can stop a lot of the infighting and the demoralization that is going on. We need to report these trolls to the mods and do not let them get away with this.



Stop debate. Purge the non believers. Yeah, that's the ticket.


17 posted on 11/10/2005 10:29:32 AM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: jveritas

We are Doomed.


18 posted on 11/10/2005 10:29:41 AM PST by Pondman88
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To: D.P.Roberts

That's fun...


19 posted on 11/10/2005 10:29:54 AM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: jveritas

According to the Treasury Department, from 1776-2000, the first 224 years of U.S. history, 42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign governments and financial institutions, but in the past four years alone, the Bush administration borrowed $1.05 trillion.



20 posted on 11/10/2005 10:30:06 AM PST by jadedm1
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To: dubyaismypresident

No, Must silence dissent and create repubiborgs.

Resistance is futile.


21 posted on 11/10/2005 10:30:12 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: dubyaismypresident
It could have been worse.


22 posted on 11/10/2005 10:30:35 AM PST by petercooper (The Republican Party: We Suck Less.)
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To: Sister_T

I agree with most of what you said. Except for the Demoralized part. I am not at all demoralized, pissed, but not at all demoralized.

I agree, it isn't all doom and gloom. Frankly, I think the Dim's are shootin their wad about 18 months too early. All this crappola is only going to bring us all together by the time the next Pres. Election.

RINO's are still a problem however, that is gonna take pressure from the voters who put them there to stop that I think. But then again, the GOP field is admitedly wide open for 08 so there are a lot of Pres. Wannabes who are making things difficult just to get time on the evening News Cycle. What can you do about Ego really?


23 posted on 11/10/2005 10:30:39 AM PST by Danae (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: jveritas
Liberals and their media unfortunately have succeeded in demoralizing a large number of freepers.

I submit that your thesis, especially this statement, is the root of misunderstanding. Liberals (or at least Dem liberals) and the media aren't primarily responsible for the huge pork spending, the stupid senior prescription welfare, the "bailout" of New Orleans, the illegal immigration debacle, CFR, the education bill, etc. We have seen the enemy, and our elected representatives are a huge part of it.

24 posted on 11/10/2005 10:30:45 AM PST by jammer
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To: jveritas



Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

Otter: Germans?

Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.

Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!


25 posted on 11/10/2005 10:30:51 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
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To: jveritas
A Demoralized FreeRepublic
We've got the White House, both houses of Congress and we're about to become the majority in the USSC. Demoralized? What planet are you on?
26 posted on 11/10/2005 10:31:07 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: jveritas

I am not demoralised and you shouldn't be either.

27 posted on 11/10/2005 10:31:34 AM PST by Kay Syrah
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To: saganite

Somebody mistakenly belives that FR is a GOP site.


28 posted on 11/10/2005 10:31:34 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: philsfan24

bttt!


29 posted on 11/10/2005 10:31:40 AM PST by LA Conservative (Read The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam by Robert Spencer)
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To: 2banana
What is the Solution?

Beer....

More stories about Panther cheerleaders! And Beer, and Twins.

30 posted on 11/10/2005 10:31:43 AM PST by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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To: jveritas
They are further demoralized because President Bush is not fighting back, because the RINOS in Congress are screwing things up....

Actually, that's the primary cause. The typical Rat rantings and media lies aren't demoralizing in the least -- we've lived with them forever.

31 posted on 11/10/2005 10:31:43 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: jveritas

Funny, I don't detect any of this FR depression you speak of. Maybe you're reading the wrong threads?


32 posted on 11/10/2005 10:31:47 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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"Purge the trolls who infiltrated FR in large numbers in 2004 and 2005."

WAIT ONE MINUTE! Not everyone who joined in 2004 is a troll.

THe Mods are doing a good job of allowing the trolls to reveal themselves and then removing them.

33 posted on 11/10/2005 10:32:21 AM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://trss.blogspot.com/)
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To: jveritas

Yesterday Hannity spoke with WH staffer named Bennett who promised the WH would pick up the slack (finally) against this onslaught from the left, so's we can cut back on the drinking. Said it'd start possibly Today.


34 posted on 11/10/2005 10:32:57 AM PST by txhurl
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To: 2banana

Beer....

And lots of it.

I must be a troll because I think all politicians no matter if they are republicans or Rats are slimeballs and crooks. It's just the Republicans are the better breed. Almost ever politician elected into office has said one thing and then did the other after being elected. It's just the way of the politician.


35 posted on 11/10/2005 10:33:21 AM PST by Xenophobic Alien (Kerry lost. Please take that stupid bumper sticker off your car!)
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To: jveritas

Speaking for myself, I had no MORALS to begin with. So, no loss on this end.


36 posted on 11/10/2005 10:33:37 AM PST by Casloy
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To: Txsleuth

We need to support "the Governator" too, viciously under attack by the media, unions, Hollywood, ETC, for over a year non-stop, and he did have the guts to take on the corruption. He is trying at least, how do we help him and Pres. Bush, both so very much under seige non-stop and the hype and distortions affect even some solid Republicans, I hear it everywhere now. We all need to fight back with facts and determination!!


37 posted on 11/10/2005 10:33:39 AM PST by BonnieJ
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To: jveritas

If we are demoralized the terrorists have won.


38 posted on 11/10/2005 10:34:13 AM PST by Dems_R_Losers (The Kerry/Lehane/Wilson/Grunwald/Cooper plot to destroy Karl Rove has failed!)
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To: Dallas59

Its too eary for purging...that should be done door to door not amongst internet friends.

To your second point...Yes firing McClellan and Andy Card would be a first step.

As would a sit down with conservative Senators to "instruct" the President that he's butchering things, has done ZERO for conservatives of late, and may get the trash bin presidentcy designation like his father. Tough love but then again three years of an ineffectual President at this time in history is unacceptable.


39 posted on 11/10/2005 10:34:17 AM PST by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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To: Txsleuth
BUT...the answer to one of your questions is: get rid of the Congressidiots that are betraying their country... It will take time...but we can do it...we helped defeat Daschle last year...

Absolutely. What was the whining about this morning? The RINOs who sold out on ANWR. And yes there were those who based Bush over it - for not "twisting their arms". Well, it's up to us. OK, who are these RINOs? I didn't see anyone post names. We should demand names, then start flooding their email boxes, jamming their phone lines. Don't forget those Republicans in Florida who wouldn't let the Rats take the ballots into a closed room. It scared the hell out of them. You want a party with gnads? Then be one.

40 posted on 11/10/2005 10:34:24 AM PST by rhombus
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To: jveritas
Add to that a huge numbers of trolls who infiltrated FR in 2004 and 2005 to divide and demoralize by creating doom and gloom, and piling on the President and the GOP.

I disagree - I think you'll find very few FReepers 'demoralized' because of the trolls - on the contrary, their rank stupidity and juvenile spelling techniques actually cheer FReepers up and put a lift in their steps!
41 posted on 11/10/2005 10:34:29 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: petercooper
Absolutely it could have been much worse,

but that is still very thin gruel to serve.

The Republican Party, we suck lessTM

42 posted on 11/10/2005 10:34:42 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Good job Ohio, we defeated George Soros at the ballot box 2 years in a row)
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To: jveritas

From my perspective, there is only one party that takes the Islamofacist threat seriously and deals with it rationally. This is my single issue and IMHO the overiding issue. You either support that party or you believe that the Islamofacist threat is a fantasy.

Because I am so convinced of this truth, I have a hard time listening to a great deal of rhetoric and I hope for the day when the so-called opposition wakes up and realizes that we are at war with a real and lethal enemy that must be put down.


43 posted on 11/10/2005 10:34:44 AM PST by JmyBryan
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Group hug!


44 posted on 11/10/2005 10:34:46 AM PST by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: jveritas

The only people who care about Bush's poll numbers are the MSM and Bushbots. Lord help us if he starts looking for a "legacy".


45 posted on 11/10/2005 10:34:53 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Pondman88
DOOMED! DOOMED!!!

(click link)
46 posted on 11/10/2005 10:34:55 AM PST by Danae (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: jveritas
We have a large number of Freepers who are, or at least pretend to be, independents or third party types.

It's a far larger percentage here than in the voting public. They claim to be conservative but spend most of their energy attacking the conservatives in office.

The problem with the GOP is that RINOs haven't been marginalized or eliminated. But rather than focus on them, the disaffected Freepers blame the entire party. It's quite apparent what their agenda is.

47 posted on 11/10/2005 10:35:06 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: jveritas

nice going


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5322328


48 posted on 11/10/2005 10:35:08 AM PST by proudmilitarymrs (If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.)
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To: jveritas

Don't mind, I am recycling a pithy rant from another post, but it belongs here as well.



George Bush may represent the Republican Party, but everyone here knows that not all Republicans are conservatives, and he hardly represents conservatives. I am not sure our own GW would get such a high ACU rating.

Republicans own the damn government, let's shape it with our conservative values. Why the hell are some republicans ashamed of conservative values? Why have some republicans let lefty liberal demoncraps shame them into toning down their position and their values.

Believe me, if the demoncraps owned the government, both houses and the white house, taxes would go up, the UN would be leading us in foreign affairs, spending at least would not go down, it may go up, gay marriages, followed by gay adoptions would be the law of the land, settled by the supreme court by judicial fiat, felons would be given the right to vote and the age of consent would be lowered to 12 to help ensure a demoncrap majority, and the government would be in the business of helping its allied business partners take more personal property in order to increase the tax base, to grow more programs.

The demoncraps are serious about winning this game, and if and when they do, we are all f*ucked, because our democracy will have been nearly diminished and we will be an official second rate european type of country, with second rate european type of problems.

Conservatives have the right ideas, and the right perspective on the world, and believe in individual liberty over almost any other belief. That's why I think it was an EXCELLENT show by conservatives to criticize the nomination. Miers wasn't Borked. Bork was Borked after the gave intellectually honest answers to his judicial philosophy, particularly Roe v. Wade. That's when the Demoncraps screwed him.

You CAN'T appease the Demoncraps, their objective is only absolute power. Demoncraps are just like the Arabs. You can't appease them, you can only surrender and accept your dhimmitude and pay your jizya.

Why did Bush us refuse to exploit our opportunities by nominating Miers instead of a judge who will uphold the constitution, the most sacred American document, and the second most sacred document in the world after the bible?

It is the constitution, in it's original form, that will keep us as free men.


49 posted on 11/10/2005 10:35:11 AM PST by LA Conservative (Read The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam by Robert Spencer)
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To: jveritas
Besides new junkies like us how many people listen to Scott Maclelan?

Dude. I like totally kicked.....totally. I like, swear.

50 posted on 11/10/2005 10:35:23 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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