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MEMO-GATE (one of CBS's "lousy analysts" speaks
qdewill ^ | not shown | Emily J. Will

Posted on 11/11/2005 6:43:57 AM PST by bilhosty

On Friday, September 3, 2004, I was closing down my office and thinking about the Labor Day Weekend ahead when the phone rang and the caller asked whether I would be willing to work over the weekend on some important, time-sensitive documents. This was the beginning of my involvement in the examination of documents in the Bush National Guard Document/Memo-Gate news story.

This week, the book "Truth and Duty" by Mary Mapes, former CBS producer, was released. The book contains several inaccuracies in the description of my participation. Because the book is a public document, I see it as my duty to publicly state the truth about what I said and did.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbsscum; liarsexposed; lyingliberalmedia; marymapes; rathergate
Here goes Mary Mapes story. As everyone on this board already knows she's just another CBS lying scum.
1 posted on 11/11/2005 6:43:58 AM PST by bilhosty
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To: bilhosty

Did you read your link?

This woman refutes specifics in Mary Mapes book. She points out how Mapes book is WRONG.


2 posted on 11/11/2005 6:48:30 AM PST by Republican Red (Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.)
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To: bilhosty

Just doing a story...no whims about affecting the outcome of a Presidential election. These Watergate wannabes are really something. Thats all they dream about.


3 posted on 11/11/2005 6:50:18 AM PST by Shaka
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To: Shaka

We don't need no stinkin fact checks.


4 posted on 11/11/2005 6:51:26 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: bilhosty
I watched Mapes on O'Reilly last night. She was a complete weasel.

O'Reilly was way too soft on her, but he did drag out one telling admission. O'Reilly told her where she went wrong was not proving the documents beyond a reasonable doubt. Mapes responded by saying she believed them to be accurate beyond a reasonable doubt.

And that, in a nutshell, is how the modern liberal mind works. Their beliefs trump overwhelming evidence to the contrary, which is why Mapes refuses to admit the evidence is overwhelming that the memos are fakes. She clings to the one-in-a-trillion possibility that an officer with very limited typing skills would use an extremely advanced typewriter requiring advanced training and elaborate setup to create photo-ready quality text - for minor personnel memos destined for his own personal files. THAT is what Mapes believes and demands that others believe.

And Mapes casually restated that she had been pursuing the story for four years. That shows an Ahab-like fixation on getting Bush. Her bosses should have taken that as a warning signal that Mapes was way too personally involved and invested in the story - which led her to reject any feedback that the memos were forgeries.

5 posted on 11/11/2005 6:52:01 AM PST by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Republican Red
This woman refutes specifics in Mary Mapes book. She points out how Mapes book is WRONG.

She certainly does!! I think the original reference to 'CBS lying scum' was to Mapes, not Will.

6 posted on 11/11/2005 6:55:35 AM PST by Bob
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To: bilhosty

What ever happened to the investigation into who gave who what?


7 posted on 11/11/2005 6:56:14 AM PST by queenkathy (My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice)
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To: dirtboy

Oh, and you left out in your analysis of the one in a trillion odds, the fact that you could recreate the document pixel for pixel by using the default settings in M$ Werd.


8 posted on 11/11/2005 6:56:49 AM PST by ottothedog (Forbes 2008)
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To: dirtboy

I wish I had the direct quote but a few days ago when Mapes was asked point blank if it was her responsibility to prove they were accurate instead of others to prove they were false, she said (paraphrasing) "no, I don't think so."


9 posted on 11/11/2005 6:58:03 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("To the terrorists, the media is a vital force multiplier" Brig. Gen. Donald Alston (USAF) 10/31/05)
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To: Republican Red

A cup of coffee can be your friend in the morning.


10 posted on 11/11/2005 6:58:37 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: ottothedog
Oh, and you left out in your analysis of the one in a trillion odds, the fact that you could recreate the document pixel for pixel by using the default settings in M$ Werd.

I wasn't even getting to that level in refuting Mapes' defense of the documents. She is addressing it on the typewriter technology issue, and, even not getting down to the pixel level of the characters, her insistences that it was possible absolutely defy rational analysis.

11 posted on 11/11/2005 6:59:27 AM PST by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: bilhosty

This analyst simply crushes Mapes. Way to go Emily.

follow the link at the top


12 posted on 11/11/2005 6:59:53 AM PST by Triple (All forms of socialism deny individuals the right to the fruits of their labor)
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To: bilhosty

What is fascinating to me is that Mapes, by her own admission, CONTINUES to "work" this non-story. Presumably, she has commissioned a forger to create a better set of "documents" to implicate Bush.

What will be interesting to see, once she takes receipt of the new forgeries, is if any reputable news organization (a stretch when we include the MSM), will give her the time of day, given her current reputation.


13 posted on 11/11/2005 7:02:16 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: NonValueAdded

ROSS: Do you, Mary Mapes, still think these stories are true?

MAPES: The story? Absolutely.

ROSS: This seems remarkable to me that you would sit here now and say you still find that story to be up to your standards.

MAPES: I'm perfectly willing to believe those documents are forgeries if there's proof that I haven't seen.

ROSS: But isn't it the other way around? Don't you have to prove they're authentic?

MAPES: Well, I think that's what critics of the story would say. I know more now than I did then. And I think -- I think -- they have not been proved to be false yet.

ROSS: Have they proved to be authentic, though? Isn't that really what journalists do?

MAPES: No, I don't think that's the standard.


14 posted on 11/11/2005 7:04:17 AM PST by Exeter (If Life gives you lemons, just shut up and eat the damn lemons!)
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To: bilhosty
This is the most telling paragraph by Mapes:

Page 167: "Emily Will and I had an unusual conversation that Monday [Sept. 6], a talk that raised questions for me about how well-suited she was to be working on this project. I called to see how her analysis was going and she told me she had a problem with the documents."

Apparently to Mapes, "well-suited" means "rubber stamp" the documents. Amazing.

15 posted on 11/11/2005 7:04:32 AM PST by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: bilhosty

During Mapes' CNN-Blitzer appearance, she appeared to be under the influence of alcohol or drugs. IMO.

This rebuttal by Emily Will is devastating to Mapes, but Mapes seems oblivious to any criticism.


16 posted on 11/11/2005 7:05:33 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: Exeter
No, I don't think that's the standard.

Stunning on two levels. She doesn't think proof is necessary. But, even then, there were SERIOUS doubts raised as to the authenticity of the memos. From what has come out, there were people raising the same issues that we on FR raised. But Mapes pushed them aside in her Ahab-like zeal to run with this story.

17 posted on 11/11/2005 7:06:26 AM PST by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Republican Red

"This woman refutes specifics in Mary Mapes book. She points out how Mapes book is WRONG."

She is being polite "WRONG" is a euphemism for lie. Even if it really were a mistake then my statement calling her a liar would be "fake but accurate".


18 posted on 11/11/2005 7:06:26 AM PST by bilhosty
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To: Exeter

If I tried this with the Editor of The Malden Observer it would be my last day in the paper.


19 posted on 11/11/2005 7:06:28 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: dirtboy
And Mapes casually restated that she had been pursuing the story for four years. That shows an Ahab-like fixation on getting Bush. Her bosses should have taken that as a warning signal that Mapes was way too personally involved and invested in the story - which led her to reject any feedback that the memos were forgeries.

Mary Mapes and Dan Rather both had a personal type vendetta mindset where Bush was concerned. The bad blood between Bush and Rather went back to the Bush 41 presidency. This was all about getting GWB ... their reckless compulsion to do so backfired and both Rather and Mapes have trashed their reputation as journalists.

20 posted on 11/11/2005 7:08:17 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: Temple Owl

ping


21 posted on 11/11/2005 7:09:21 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: queenkathy

I like that question. Did the investigation just go down the drain or was it derailed by a vested interest?


22 posted on 11/11/2005 7:12:02 AM PST by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub.)
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To: Exeter

Thank you, thank you, thank you! "No, I don't think that's the standard." Good grief. She really believes that. You've documented the "game over" quote.


23 posted on 11/11/2005 7:16:37 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("To the terrorists, the media is a vital force multiplier" Brig. Gen. Donald Alston (USAF) 10/31/05)
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To: Exeter
"No, I don't think that's the standard."

That is "full-circle" of the "situation-ethics" nonsense which was taught to Baby Boomers and younger in school. She/They create their own reality, depending on each situation. Since she wanted the story and the documents to be true/real, they are. Simple as that. Anything which doesn't fit into that reality is simply ignored.

Unfortunately, there are millions of Americans who were raised on that ethic and its re-named successors. IMHO, it will be nearly impossible to change their minds on anything: that's how they view the world. (Even another 911 would simply be seen from the perspective of "Why didn't [Bush] stop it? We [America] deserved it because...." etc.)

24 posted on 11/11/2005 7:19:39 AM PST by Prov3456
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To: savedbygrace
This rebuttal by Emily Will is devastating to Mapes, but Mapes seems oblivious to any criticism.

I have come to understand that to an MSM "reporter" the phrase, "I stand by my story", is meant to clinch the argument. After that we mere mortals are meant to defer to their superior judgement.

25 posted on 11/11/2005 7:21:52 AM PST by FairWitness
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To: bilhosty

Thanks for posting this. What may be even more upsetting to Mapes is what CBS News is sending to those who will be interviewing her after her GMA debacle.

Look at the CBS News response to her appearance on GMA. This was sent to Larry King before and he read it before he interviewed Mapes. Apparently O'Reilly got the same response before Mapes was on his show.

"(After yesterday's Mapes' Good Morning America appearance, CBS issued the following statement, which Larry King read to Mapes last night):

"KING: We're here with Mary Mapes, the book "Truth and Duty, the Press, the President and the Privilege of Power." CBS News gave us this statement today.

"Mary Mapes' actions damaged CBS News as an organizational and brought pain to many colleagues with whom she worked. Her disregard for journalistic standards -- and for her colleagues -- comes through loud and clear in her interviews and in the book that attempts to rewrite the history of this complex and sad affair.

As always, revisionist history must be tested against the facts. Not only are those facts contained in the extensive media coverage that took place at the time, but also in the 200-plus-page report of the independent panel which investigated the matter for more than three months.

We believe those facts speak for themselves. The idea that a news organization would not need to authenticate such important source material is only one of the troubling and erroneous statement in her account."

(Mapes only reply was: CBS has been working on that statement for months.)

Hey Mapes, your former employer, CBS News is setting the record straight about your lying past. CBS is not Free Republic.


26 posted on 11/11/2005 7:23:11 AM PST by Grampa Dave (MSM/RATs need to set a timetable for withdrawal in their illegitimate war on Bush. It's a quagmire.)
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To: bilhosty

Somebody ouught to find a way to get this into the MSM talks shows when they interview Mapes.

What's interesting however is how the MSM is rallying around Mapes and her book.

The Washington Post's Howard Kurtz for example wrote a column that virtually accepted most of Mapes' accusations and explanations.

We will have to fight this fight again or they will sell the public on the issues and rehabilitate Mapes, Rather, and all the MSM who jumped on the story. (Sigh)


27 posted on 11/11/2005 7:23:56 AM PST by wildbill
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To: Grampa Dave
Hey Mapes, your former employer, CBS News is setting the record straight about your lying past. CBS is not Free Republic.

In addition to FreeRepublic. What the CBS memo leaves out is that Mapes was no alone. It was All of CBS News that let this dog off the leash. I notice that after a face-saving interval, Rather and the CEO are gone.

28 posted on 11/11/2005 7:28:40 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Prov3456

Reality is a mental construct and my construct is better/more compassionate than your construct.


29 posted on 11/11/2005 7:32:09 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: js1138

"In addition to FreeRepublic. What the CBS memo leaves out is that Mapes was no alone. It was All of CBS News that let this dog off the leash. I notice that after a face-saving interval, Rather and the CEO are gone."

We know this young lady, a daughter of some very close friends. She is an independent consultant for PR work for companies needing PR to mend their image or just to let people know what the company represents.

She said even before the election of 2004, the program that Blather and Mapes used to as a platform for their lies had become a no go for most of these companies re any ads. After the election, no one wanted to advertise with the program and many didn't want spend money in ads with CBS News on any program.


30 posted on 11/11/2005 7:35:41 AM PST by Grampa Dave (MSM/RATs need to set a timetable for withdrawal in their illegitimate war on Bush. It's a quagmire.)
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To: dirtboy
But Mapes pushed them aside in her Ahab-like zeal to run with this story.

I have not seen this level of Chutzpah since that guy a couple of years ago that claimed the Holocaust never happened.

31 posted on 11/11/2005 7:40:04 AM PST by oldbrowser (A living, breathing constitution is a usurpation of the people's sovereignty.)
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To: bilhosty

According to her bio page, Emily J. Will is a certified documents examiner in private practice, working out of Raleigh, NC. Does anyone know what her position was with CBS, and whether she was fired for telling the awkward truth during Rathergate?

Here's her internet business card, as it were:

http://qdewill.com/cv.htm


32 posted on 11/11/2005 7:54:02 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Exeter
MAPES: No, I don't think that's the standard.

Strange, then why even bother having a specialist look at them to authenicate the documents? What's the point if you don't care and are going to ignore the specialists anyways?

33 posted on 11/11/2005 8:05:46 AM PST by Always Right
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To: DustyMoment
What is fascinating to me is that Mapes, by her own admission, CONTINUES to "work" this non-story.

And O.J. Simpson remains, even at this very minute, relentless in his pursuit to find Nicole Brown Kidman's real killer.

There's no "story" here to "work" and Mapes (deep down) knows it. Any "work" that she claims to be doing involves media appearances to promote her new book, which can be redefined as "the interviewing of sycophants, seeking help in the promotion of this psychotic fantasy of hers."

34 posted on 11/11/2005 8:07:02 AM PST by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: Exeter
That's about all I need to know about Mapes. I wonder if she also thinks that our criminal justice system works under a similar presumption of guilt. Hey, Mary, prove that you aren't lying and weren't trying to unseat a sitting president with lies. I'm waiting, Mary, because that's what you need to do given your own standards of proof.
35 posted on 11/11/2005 8:56:34 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: bilhosty
from your link:

Ms. Mapes asked if I were 100% certain that superscripting could not have existed in 1972. I said that I was as certain as I could be, but for 100% certainty she should contact a particular examiner whose office is in New York City.

Bwahahahaha

Sounds like a right-wing conspiracy to me--to obliterate all evidence of superscripts in 1972. ;-)

It is incredible that Mapes is willing to subject herself to public humiliation this way.

The networks want her to go away--she is the poster child of media bias, bad reporting, and falsification of data.

Every time she defends herself she digs a deeper hole.
36 posted on 11/11/2005 9:09:56 AM PST by cgbg (Racism is identifying, quantifying, and determining social policy by race.)
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To: Prov3456
What you are suggesting is that the MSM has become a cult.

Their "secular humanism" and leftism is not falsifiable since everything in the universe is further evidence of its truth.

I think their crusade against Evangelicals is classic projection.

They have the "true faith" in their view, and all who do not share it are heathens.
37 posted on 11/11/2005 9:13:11 AM PST by cgbg (Racism is identifying, quantifying, and determining social policy by race.)
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To: oldbrowser
I have not seen this level of Chutzpah since that guy a couple of years ago that claimed the Holocaust never happened.

Initially, I thought her stance was a way to sell books. After all, if she admitted screwing up, no one would want to book her on the TV talk show circuit. No controversy.

But after seeing her on O'Reilly, I think she really and truly believes this nonsense. As does much of the MSM. Which is why they keep repeating these kind of errors - their standards have gradually drifted so far away from old-school journalism that they are oblivious to the shift and treat whacked-out views like Mapes' as mainstream.

38 posted on 11/11/2005 9:25:10 AM PST by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: cgbg; Prov3456
What you are suggesting is that the MSM has become a cult.

I don't know if they are a cult per se, but they sure have a lot of the mannerisms. Mapes sure seemed like a zombie last night.

39 posted on 11/11/2005 9:26:26 AM PST by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: wildbill
we will have to fight this fight again.

This is a good fight to have. We have all the facts on our side. The issues are fairly straightforward and easy to explain. Better yet, this humiliates the major media and assists in its decline vis a vis the Internet.

That is why her network is trashing her and wants her to disappear.

Network lying slimeball vs. Pajamadeen honest investigators.

That is a good contest to have. Let's go out and get some popcorn. :-)
40 posted on 11/11/2005 9:37:52 AM PST by cgbg (Racism is identifying, quantifying, and determining social policy by race.)
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To: cgbg

Its a good fight to have from the standpoint of having the facts on our side. How well we will be able to mobilize the pajamadeen and get the facts out a second time is the issue.

It's not a good fight from the standpoint that the MSM will now use the misinformation in Mapes' book to justify her program and the MSM response. Like it or not they control the evening news and all the panel shows. Our facts will be dismissed as 'old news' or attacked by the MSM as Mapes' "new facts' become the story.

We've already seen Howard Kurtz's veiled acceptance of her story in the WAPO and the failure of a Fox news interviewer to really expose the misinformation.

Back to the barricades, citizens!


41 posted on 11/11/2005 9:59:43 AM PST by wildbill
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