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Death of Hussein Aide (al-Douri) Is Confirmed
NY Times ^ | Nov 13 2005 | JOHN F. BURNS and EDWARD WONG

Posted on 11/12/2005 9:30:02 PM PST by jmc1969

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Nov. 12 - Former officials of the Baath Party confirmed Saturday on their Web site the death of Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, the last of Saddam Hussein's inner circle still at large in Iraq and a man long sought by the American military command as the effective leader of the Baathist insurgent underground here.

"On the blessed soil of Iraq, the soul of our comrade in struggle, and field commander of the heroic resistance, Izzat Ibrahim, passed away to his creator at dawn yesterday," the posting said. The Web site, which is considered an authentic voice of the Baathist underground, gave no cause of death, though Mr. Ibrahim was known to have had leukemia since the late 1990's.

American officials would not immediately speculate on the effect Mr. Ibrahim's death would have on the insurgency. Despite the Web posting's confirmation that he was considered the leader of the resistance, and despite American commanders' long-held belief that he was a crucial figure in organizing and financing the insurgency, it was unknown how active a role he had played in recent months.

He was widely feared and despised by the public, on a par with Mr. Hussein's two sons, killed by American troops in 2003, and Ali Hassan al-Majid, the man known as Chemical Ali, who is in American military custody with Mr. Hussein and dozens of other former top Baathist officials.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: 55mostwanted; aldouri; debaathification; iraq; johnfburns; kingofclubs

1 posted on 11/12/2005 9:30:02 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

Why should we believe them?


2 posted on 11/12/2005 9:31:07 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: jmc1969; nuconvert; AdmSmith; Southack; GhengisKhan

Good news.


3 posted on 11/12/2005 9:31:13 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: lady lawyer

Show me the DNA..


4 posted on 11/12/2005 9:37:09 PM PST by RTINSC (What, Me Worry?..My company offers French benefits...)
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To: lady lawyer

Has this been confirmed by any reliable news outlets?


5 posted on 11/12/2005 9:37:25 PM PST by lawnguy (Give me some of your tots!!!)
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To: jmc1969

Izzat him or not?


6 posted on 11/12/2005 9:39:22 PM PST by LA Conservative (Read The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam by Robert Spencer)
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To: RTINSC

I'll maintain my "head on a pike" verification standard until circumstances dictate otherwise.


7 posted on 11/12/2005 9:41:06 PM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HCUA!)
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To: jmc1969

Where are uday-like corpse pics ?


8 posted on 11/12/2005 9:41:56 PM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: lawnguy

No, we don't even know if he is/was in Iraq.


9 posted on 11/12/2005 9:42:07 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: jmc1969

This is going to be very interesting. Al-Douri, and not Zarqawi, has been the real one behind the scenes calling the shots in Iraq. I am curious how things are going to change now.


10 posted on 11/12/2005 9:42:28 PM PST by killjoy (Real Men Love Bush)
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To: killjoy
This is going to be very interesting. Al-Douri, and not Zarqawi, has been the real one behind the scenes calling the shots...

How do you know this?

11 posted on 11/12/2005 9:44:46 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: headsonpikes

Another Fan.


12 posted on 11/12/2005 9:47:40 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: killjoy

al-Douri pleged bayat to Zarqawi last year.


13 posted on 11/12/2005 9:48:35 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: lady lawyer

The NYTimes believes them. Isn't that good enough?


14 posted on 11/12/2005 9:49:06 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: bnelson44
How do you know this?

A good friend on the ground in Iraq.

15 posted on 11/12/2005 9:55:05 PM PST by killjoy (Real Men Love Bush)
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To: killjoy

I guess time will tell


16 posted on 11/12/2005 9:58:08 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: bnelson44

I would guess, as he has had leukemia since the 1990s, and he was no spring chicken, he probably did die. One normally does not go on forever with leukemia.


17 posted on 11/12/2005 10:04:37 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: lady lawyer

I was gonna say............ the NYT says it, so it's confirmed?


18 posted on 11/12/2005 10:13:40 PM PST by Just Lori (Tony Schaeffer, Curt Weldon, Able Danger....... PAY ATTENTION.)
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To: lawnguy
Has this been confirmed by any reliable news outlets?

Well........ Baghdad Bob says so!


19 posted on 11/12/2005 10:15:52 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Well........ Baghdad Bob says so!

Some of my all time favorite Freeper photo shop threads featured that guy.

There was one of him denying forces were in Baghdad, while a soldier was peaking over his shoulder.

20 posted on 11/12/2005 10:21:38 PM PST by lawnguy (Give me some of your tots!!!)
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To: lady lawyer

Whazza matter, you?

It says they confirmed it on their web site.

Don't you get it? (Sigh!) I'll spell it out.

A. Yesterday, on their web site, they reported he was dead, but it wasn't confirmed.

B. Today, they reported on their web site that they confirmed their earlier report.

What isn't clear? First they reported it, then they confirmed it. It is good enough to the NYT, so it should be good enough for anybody.

You sound like the type that would want to interrupt their mourning, to ask to see a body, even though you know that, as good Islamonazis, they have to bury him in an unmarked grave, intact* (Allah, the All Powerful is powerless to reassemble him if an Infidel defiles him by stealng a piece for testing) within 24 hours, or he will go to Muslim Hell.

Now do you understand?

* By special Dispensation, this provision specifically does not apply to those who self destruct as a means to killing Infidels as part of a Martyrdom Operation. See P189, pp17, sec 297-f, sub-sect 16 of the footnotes to Hadith 3146, as amended...


21 posted on 11/12/2005 10:29:17 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

I hope the news is true that he died. That means that he has enjoyed his second day in hell by now. Burn in hell swine.


22 posted on 11/12/2005 10:36:56 PM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: armydawg1

Same here, but I'd like to see a little proof, too.

BTW, did you catch the bit about the Slimes calling them "the underground" now?


23 posted on 11/12/2005 10:43:43 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: jmc1969

Did Judy Miller confirm this story?


24 posted on 11/12/2005 10:46:55 PM PST by counterpunch (~ Let O'Connor Go Home! ~)
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To: jmc1969

The New York Times treats any statement from the Bush administration with skepticism, but takes the word of a Ba'athist website as unquestionable "confirmation" of absolute objective truth.


25 posted on 11/12/2005 10:49:53 PM PST by counterpunch (~ Let O'Connor Go Home! ~)
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To: jmc1969
AP still has this up:

Web Sites Conflict on Death of Saddam Aide

26 posted on 11/12/2005 10:58:21 PM PST by Cap Huff
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To: lawnguy
Actually Baghdad Bob is working as a Wal-Mart greeter these days.


27 posted on 11/12/2005 11:08:05 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: jmc1969

28 posted on 11/12/2005 11:09:14 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: lady lawyer
This is great news. Al-Douri was evil and a very important leader of the terrorists insurgency.
29 posted on 11/12/2005 11:10:01 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: armydawg1
"If you have forgotten Halabja, we are ready to repeat the operation."

--- Izzat Ibrahim to the Kurds, reminding them of chemical attacks they suffered

30 posted on 11/12/2005 11:11:59 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: lawnguy; RTINSC; lady lawyer
Baath supporters confirm Saddam aide Ibrahim dead

BAGHDAD, Nov 12 (Reuters) - Iraq's Baath party supporters confirmed on Saturday reports of the death of Saddam Hussein's deputy Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, who was seen as a key figure in the insurgency since Saddam's fall in 2003.

"On the soil of Arabic Iraq, the soul of Comrade Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri returned to God the Creator on Friday at dawn," said a statement on alBasrah.net which publishes news from Baath supporters in Iraq. Al Arabiya satellite television had reported on Friday that Ibrahim, the most senior member of the former regime still at large, had died, but since his whereabouts were unknown there was still some uncertainty about his fate.

The alBasrah.net statement, which was dated Saturday, described Ibrahim as "the field commander for the heroic resistance".

There was no independent verification of his death.

Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari said earlier his death would be a good thing for Iraq and a blow to the insurgency.

Ibrahim was number six on the U.S. military's list of the 55 most-wanted Iraqis, with a $10 million reward offered for his capture. He was the deputy chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council which Saddam headed.

An analyst in Baghdad said Ibrahim's death could change the shape of the insurgency in Iraq.

"Baathists now are in two camps -- one which wants to join the political process and another, which is influenced and led by Ibrahim, which believes in armed struggle," political analyst Hazim Naimi told Reuters.

"Ibrahim was against the political process. Now with his death the balance will go towards taking part in the political process. We will see a new generation of Baathists."

LOYAL

Ibrahim, a red-haired and moustachioed figure who was among Saddam's most loyal aides, had been widely rumoured to have cancer and had been very ill while in hiding.

His family hails from the region around Tikrit, where his father worked as an ice seller. Despite a basic education and no academic qualifications, his loyalty to Saddam helped him to take prominent positions in the leadership.

He was one of the three surviving plotters, along with Saddam and former Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan, who brought the Baath Party to power in a coup in 1968.

Following the coup, he continued to retain a key position in the Baath rule, one of few close confidants who never fell out of favour with Saddam.

After the toppling of Saddam's regime, Ibrahim went into hiding and was believed by U.S. commanders to be directly involved in funding and guiding the insurgency against U.S.-led forces, as well as brokering an alliance between Baathist insurgents and militant Islamists.

Days before announcing his death, the Web site issued a statement from Ibrahim himself in which he outlined the new "political and strategic programme of the Iraqi resistance", urging insurgents to attack U.S. forces in Iraq.

"Many mistakes happened during the Baath ruling but the party -- God willing -- will work on fixing them as soon as possible," he said in the statement.

"We have started building a (united) resistance front which will include all the nationalist and Islamic resistance groups working in the field," it said.

31 posted on 11/12/2005 11:16:43 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Spanaway Lori; lady lawyer
The New York Times will be very reluctant to report any "good news" for America (i.e. good news for President Bush). Therefore when they report the good news, it means it is correct.
32 posted on 11/12/2005 11:17:23 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: jmc1969

Wasn't al-Zarqawi reported dead a few months ago?


33 posted on 11/12/2005 11:17:43 PM PST by wideminded
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To: jveritas

John F. Burns was about the only journalist to report on Saddam's torture chambers from inside Iraq. He is generally considered a reliable reporter.


34 posted on 11/12/2005 11:52:52 PM PST by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Thanks, good news if true.


35 posted on 11/13/2005 12:14:00 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: jmc1969

Cindy and her ilk sent condolence flowers to this "brave freedom fighter?"


36 posted on 11/13/2005 8:45:27 AM PST by Smartaleck
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