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Santorum: Don't put intelligent design in classroom
Beaver County Times & Allegheny Times ^ | 11/13/5 | Bill Vidonic

Posted on 11/13/2005 3:49:41 PM PST by Crackingham

U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum said Saturday that he doesn't believe that intelligent design belongs in the science classroom. Santorum's comments to The Times are a shift from his position of several years ago, when he wrote in a Washington Times editorial that intelligent design is a "legitimate scientific theory that should be taught in the classroom."

But on Saturday, the Republican said that, "Science leads you where it leads you."

Santorum was in Beaver Falls to present Geneva College President Kenneth A. Smith with a $1.345 million check from federal funds for renovations that include the straightening and relocation of Route 18 through campus.

Santorum's comments about intelligent design come at a time when the belief that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power, an alternative to the theory of evolution, has come under fire on several fronts.

A federal trial just wrapped up in which eight families sued Dover Area School District in eastern Pennsylvania. The district's school board members tried to introduce teaching intelligent design into the classroom, but the families said the policy violated the constitutional separation of church and state. No ruling has been issued on the trial, but Tuesday, all eight Dover School Board members up for re-election were ousted by voters, leading to a fiery tirade by religious broadcaster Pat Robertson.

Robertson warned residents, "If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city."

Santorum said flatly Saturday, "I disagree. I don't believe God abandons people," and said he has not spoken to Robertson about his comments.

Though Santorum said he believes that intelligent design is "a legitimate issue," he doesn't believe it should be taught in the classroom, adding that he had concerns about some parts of the theory.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 109th; creationism; crevolist; evilution; evolution; goddoodit; havemercyonusohlord; intelligentdesign; monkeygod; santorum; scienceeducation
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To: WOSG

Cannot agree with you on yesterday's Senate vote. Republicans are saying it was the only way they could keep a big bunch of Republicans from voting with the Democrats on their bill to surrender and pull the troops. The ONLY thing missing from the Democrat bill in the Republican one was a date certain to leave Iraq. If the Republicans and Santorum think this is going to get them re-elected in '06 (appeasing not only the RINOs but also the Democrats) I think they are in for a big surprise come election day. Someone needs to tell them "We suck less than the Democrats" for their slogan is NOT a winner.


641 posted on 11/16/2005 11:29:24 AM PST by penowa
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To: conserv371

"So why do the higher forms of life rely on the male and female for reproduction?"

That is because only higher forms of life can talk a chick into bed? I'm not kidding. Lower organisms are self sufficient. Some even produce their own food. It is all evolution -- from single cell simple organisms to multi-cellular complex life. Evolution explains it all.


642 posted on 11/16/2005 4:41:38 PM PST by sagar
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To: sagar

Brilliant that single cell organisms can produce food and are self-sufficient. So you are saying complex organisms just put themselves together by a non-intelligent force. Doesn't a doctor's degree require more intelligence than a high school diploma. You have a whole lot of faith to believe advanced life just happens to come together. What evolution does not explain are the physical laws of nature.
The physical laws come from someone who made them or are we going to say they evolved too or just happened. Whole lot more faith.


643 posted on 11/16/2005 6:23:42 PM PST by conserv371
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To: dmz
With all due respect, doesn't that tell us more about the people you associate with than telling us anything about the evolution/ID debate?

Learn to read. I don't believe that "associate with" is the term that I used. I come across all kinds. I probably should have said "limited reading" instead. Given my busy schedule(s) my time for reading is limited and I have many more priorities.

644 posted on 11/16/2005 8:51:33 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: highball
So tell us, what are the facts that back up creationism?

That my man I will defer to my earlier comments on, all of them. The delta between evidence for Creation vice evolution is so ridiculously lopsided that only someone with an agenda would miss it.

As to where it is, if you read a fraction of what I've read on that in the past and you'll be convinced. As to the work, you do it. I'm not your gopher. There's plenty of it out there and I'm sure someone here has one of those handy lists somewhere.

Suffice it to say that much of the data is in the biological, microbiological, and other related scientific areas but not limited to them. That should push you off in the proper direction.

645 posted on 11/16/2005 8:54:49 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: b_sharp
I know of at least 4 people who came to trust evolution over creation after reviewing the scientific evidence for both.

So what?

People trust others that lead them right down the tubes too! By that measure Hitler was right!

646 posted on 11/16/2005 8:56:29 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: Fruitbat

So, in other words, you say there is lots of evidence, but you won't actually back that up.

So why hasn't science accepted all this "evidence" you claim is out there? More of the global atheist conspiracy?


647 posted on 11/16/2005 8:59:56 PM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: WOSG
A 98%+ lifetime ACU rating mean nothing to you?

I don't ever let politics interfere with science!

648 posted on 11/16/2005 9:02:48 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: Fruitbat

Er, you claimed he wasn't acting conservative, but the ACU begs to differ. Santorum votes conservative.


649 posted on 11/16/2005 9:19:32 PM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Fruitbat
I don't ever let politics interfere with science!

Funny, that's exactly what ID is - making science lower its standards to serve a political agenda.

650 posted on 11/16/2005 9:40:28 PM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: WOSG
He does it [comrpomises with the liberals] a lot fewer than most....yet has been an unabashed conservative

The 2 statements don't go together. I actually think we're on the same page though. I don't go around bashing Santorum, and I will vote for him, but my enthusiasm has taken a hit over the last couple of years. You sounds like yours has too.

651 posted on 11/19/2005 8:24:05 AM PST by Minuteman23
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To: Minuteman23

I was responding to someone who claims he is a compromiser. well, heck, every good politician does some of that, and its not necessarily bad. However, Santorum is less of a compromiser than, say, Hatch, Frist, Stevens, Dole, DeWine, etc.

I stand by my claim that Santorum is in our "TOP TEN" of good conservative Senators. My enthusiasm is not diminished at all, but I am fearful that we will lose him if we don't get our act together and rally around his re-election.


652 posted on 11/19/2005 8:28:11 AM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Paul Ross
The structure of the universe itself is wildly improbable

Hypothesis Contrary to Fact. To claim that it is improbable that the Universe exists as it is, is Reification. "Improbability" is an abstract concept held by human beings, not a extant fact.

The Universe exists, therefore it is entirely probable, no matter the faulty opinions of some men.

The rest of your post amounts to the same, and isn't worth my time.

653 posted on 11/20/2005 7:57:44 PM PST by LogicWings
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To: AndyTheBear
Conversly those rejecting this hypothesis would most likely maintain that the universe simply always existed.

Astrophysists claim to have evidence that the universe popped into existance long ago in some kind of big bang. Which shows some confirmation that the universe did not always exist . . .

I can't expect you to follow all my past posts. I have always held that something has always existed, that the Big Bang as stated is flawed. I suppose I could resort to ID and say "that is not explained, THEREFORE God did it!!!" But I won't.

Just because we don't know how it happened doesn't mean it has a supernatural cause.

654 posted on 11/20/2005 8:03:35 PM PST by LogicWings
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To: Paul Ross
Wrong. It is a SCIENCE in MATHEMATICS. You clearly can't handle science. You have destroyed ALL credible scientific seriousness in your posts.

Class . . . CLASS . . . CLASS!!!!

Notice, this is entirely a personal attack with NO CONTENT. This the technique of all those who lack ALL credible scientific seriousness who have to resort to character assination instead.

Pathetic.

655 posted on 11/20/2005 8:08:28 PM PST by LogicWings
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To: LogicWings
I have always held that something has always existed, that the Big Bang as stated is flawed.

The big bang and long term evolution seem to be the most popular guesses among those who study the physical evidence of such things.

However if you have considered the astronomical evidence and maintain an alternate conclusion, I hardly care to argue that you do not have "even one iota of evidence". That would just be silly.

656 posted on 11/20/2005 11:49:55 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: LogicWings; Paul Ross
[LogicWings]...Just because Antony Flew proved he was an idiot...

[LogicWings]Notice, this is entirely a personal attack with NO CONTENT. This the technique of all those who lack ALL credible scientific seriousness who have to resort to character assination instead.

657 posted on 11/21/2005 12:00:47 AM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: LogicWings
Notice, this is entirely a personal attack with NO CONTENT.

Class, Class, Class.

Note you never, ever, did or could, apparently, defend your baseless failures on probability science. Hence, your diatribe, divrced from the proper rhetorical context, attempting to mischaracterize my observations of your lack of credibility, make it clear that it is YOUR REJOINDER which is entirely a personal attack with NO CONTENT.

Hoist by your own Petard, aren't you? Just agree, since it is true.

Pathetic.

658 posted on 11/21/2005 11:57:56 AM PST by Paul Ross ("The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the govt and I'm here to help)
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To: Crackingham
U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum said Saturday that he doesn't believe that intelligent design belongs in the science classroom. Santorum's comments to The Times are a shift from his position of several years ago, when he wrote in a Washington Times editorial that intelligent design is a "legitimate scientific theory that should be taught in the classroom."

It's good to see that some politicians are capable of learning and putting their errors behind them.

659 posted on 11/30/2005 7:26:52 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: AndyTheBear
I hardly care to argue that you do not have "even one iota of evidence".

There isn't. Present it. My cosmology doesn't need it.

660 posted on 12/03/2005 7:44:08 PM PST by LogicWings
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