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New poll finds Sharon has 30% lead over Netanyahu [Likud primary race in Israel]
The Jerusalem Post ^ | 16 November 2005 | GIL HOFFMAN AND JPOST STAFF

Posted on 11/16/2005 10:45:43 AM PST by anotherview

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To: unionblue83

As I've noted on a couple other threads, if the objective is a sovereign palestinian state, peaceful not mandatory, then clearly these agreements, I presume you're speaking of the border, advance that cause.


41 posted on 11/17/2005 7:29:54 AM PST by SJackson (People have learned from Gaza that resistance succeeds, not smart negotiators., Hassem Darwish)
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To: anotherview

How many times have these 2 gone head to head in elections now? It seems every time its these two....


42 posted on 11/17/2005 7:30:45 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: SJackson

Yes, the border agreement was what I was referring to. Thanks for the reply. I may be mistaken, but hasn't the objective has been a sovereign state since '47? I think the original Palestinian Mandate set aside land, 80% of which became Jordan and the other 20% for the creation of 2 states -- Israel and a state for the Arabs. I don't think that Abbas has the fortitude or the political strength to disarm the groups that are opposed to the existence of a state of Israel.


43 posted on 11/17/2005 8:05:00 AM PST by unionblue83
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To: unionblue83


In a sense. The Arab League has long rejected the concept. The West Bank and Gaza were under Jordanian and Egyptian control from 47 to 67, pending the destruction of Israel and unification as one nation. The Oslo concept established a less that sovereign state. Israel would have been responsible for defense, foreign affairs and controlled the airspace. The idea of a completely sovereign state is GWB’s. Most of the issues we’re reading about, like the borders or a West Bank-Gaza link were to have been settled in final negotiations under Oslo. Now they’re to be accomplished up front, prior to the Palestinians even embarking on their most basic pre-negotiation obligations, dismantling terror and ceasing incitement.


44 posted on 11/17/2005 10:56:41 AM PST by SJackson (People have learned from Gaza that resistance succeeds, not smart negotiators., Hassem Darwish)
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Thanks again for the refresher; I had forgotten that the Oslo accords had never been "finished". I do believe that a sovereign state is needed, but with Abbas' shaky grip on the security situation as well as some of his recent rhetoric, it seems further off. I don't want this to turn into another Islamic Republic(see Iran) that will feed more foreign fighters into the fledgling Iraq or continue to launch terror strikes into Israel. I understand that you cannot completely eliminate the suicide bombers.


45 posted on 11/17/2005 11:08:16 AM PST by unionblue83
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To: anotherview

Eventually Iran will destroy Israel, probably in the next 2-5 years. All it'll take is 2-5 low-tech gun style uranium bombs.

Israel will lash out and probably destroy most of the islamic world, but what will be lost is immeasurable.

The only thing that may save Israel is the fact that most islamics value Jerusalem (for false reasons of course).

Just a comment. Letting Pakistan be armed is bad enough.


46 posted on 11/17/2005 11:15:56 AM PST by Lauretij2
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To: unionblue83

I won't be surprised to see efforts to destabilize Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia emanating from Gaza for decades.


47 posted on 11/17/2005 11:16:49 AM PST by SJackson (People have learned from Gaza that resistance succeeds, not smart negotiators., Hassem Darwish)
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I fear you are correct, good sir.


48 posted on 11/17/2005 11:27:31 AM PST by unionblue83
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