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Extension of Patriot Act Faces Threat of Filibuster
NY Times ^ | November 18, 2005 | ERIC LICHTBLAU

Posted on 11/17/2005 10:04:35 PM PST by neverdem

WASHINGTON, Nov. 17 - A tentative deal to extend the government's antiterrorism powers under the law known as the USA Patriot Act appeared in some jeopardy Thursday, as Senate Democrats threatened to mount a filibuster in an effort to block the legislation.

"This is worth the fight," Senator Russell D. Feingold, a Wisconsin Democrat who serves on the Judiciary Committee, said in an interview.

"I've cleared my schedule right up to Thanksgiving," Mr. Feingold said, adding that he was making plans to read aloud from the Bill of Rights as part of a filibuster if necessary.

The political maneuvering came even before negotiators for the House and Senate had agreed on a final deal to extend the government's counterterrorism powers under the act.

With a tentative deal in place on Wednesday, Congressional negotiators had been expected to reach a final, printed agreement by early Thursday for the full House and Senate to consider. But despite minute-by-minute updates about a possible conclusion, the day passed on with no final agreement, causing no shortage of nervousness among Bush administration officials and Republican supporters of the tentative deal.

By Thursday evening, officials said negotiators had reached what amounted to an impasse for the day, as those from the Senate pushed for further civil rights safeguards that were seen as unacceptable to House leaders. Talks are expected to pick up again on Friday, officials said.

The tentative deal reached by negotiators would make permanent 14 of the 16 provisions of the law that are set to expire at the end of the year. The remaining two provisions - related to government demands for records from businesses and libraries and its use of roving wiretaps - would have to be reconsidered in seven years, as would a separate provision on taking aim at people suspected...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska; US: Colorado; US: District of Columbia; US: Idaho; US: Illinois; US: New Hampshire; US: Wisconsin; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; banglist; craig; durbin; feingold; filibuster; murkowksi; patriotact; salazar; sununu
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My guess is that Senator Larry E. Craig, NRA board member, has the same concern as the Gun Owners of America,
URGENT!!! URGENT!!!
-- House to Vote Soon On Granting FBI Unlimited Access To Gun Sales
Records
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1 posted on 11/17/2005 10:04:38 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
"I've cleared my schedule right up to Thanksgiving," Mr. Feingold said, adding that he was making plans to read aloud from the Bill of Rights as part of a filibuster if necessary."

Since when do turds like Fiengold care about The Bill Of Rights?

I'll answer that. Only when they can twist it their own purpose.

2 posted on 11/17/2005 10:11:39 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: neverdem

They put in this provision to appease the democrats.


3 posted on 11/17/2005 10:24:57 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: neverdem

And the threat is all it takes to send the GOP alleged-majority to cowering and sucking thumbs.


4 posted on 11/17/2005 10:25:33 PM PST by thoughtomator (The only thing to be said for the Republican party is that the Democrats are far worse.)
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To: neverdem

well, I'm glad my senator has set aside time to finally read the Bill of Rights.....


5 posted on 11/17/2005 11:14:41 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: neverdem

"he was making plans to read aloud from the Bill of Rights"

That would probably make Russ the only democrat in the senate who has read it.


6 posted on 11/18/2005 2:11:41 AM PST by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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To: GrandEagle; Yasotay; tet68; azhenfud; talleyman
Where to find fake passwords: BugMeNot.com

Looks like we still have a chance to scale this thing back.
In a letter Thursday, a bipartisan group of six senators said the tentative deal had caused them "deep concern" because it did not go far enough in "making reasonable changes to the original law to protect innocent people from unnecessary and intrusive government surveillance."

Reflecting the political breadth of concerns about the law, the letter was signed by three Republicans - Senators Larry E. Craig, John E. Sununu and Lisa Murkowksi - and three Democrats - Senators Richard J. Durbin and Ken Salazar and Mr. Feingold.

The group called for tighter restrictions on the government's ability to demand records and its use of so-called "sneak and peak" warrants to conduct secret searches without immediately informing the target, among other measures.

"We have worked too long and too hard to allow this conference report to eliminate the modest protections for civil liberties that were agreed to unanimously in the Senate," Ms. Murkowski, of Alaska, said in a separate statement.

"There is still time for the conference committee to step back and agree to the Senate's bipartisan approach. If the conference committee doesn't do that, we will fight to stop this bill from becoming law."
I'm calling my critters this morning. Please ping the remaining constitutionalists here.
7 posted on 11/18/2005 4:38:33 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush

A soon as the phones open, I'm on it. Thanks for the info!


8 posted on 11/18/2005 5:05:24 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
Already called Hagel, urged him to join the filibuster if necessary. I'll hit Nelson up when he drags his butt out of bed and gets to the office.

It's a good idea to point toward this Times article and urge the critters to support their six colleagues in stripping the odious police-state provisions of the so-called Patriot Act.
9 posted on 11/18/2005 5:10:37 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: GrandEagle

Well, got work to do so I voicemailed Nelson and I'll call him back later.


10 posted on 11/18/2005 5:13:58 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
I've emailed both of mine. At 8:00 I'll call both of mine also. Not much hope with Jeff Sessions though. Pretty good guy on everything but Police state issues. He was our AG before getting elected.

GE
11 posted on 11/18/2005 5:17:03 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
You never know. The Senate was unanimous in their version. Try to appeal to intracongressional rivalry. Tell him you don't want the House pushing him around and the Senate's judgment should be deferred to as the more scholarly and deliberative body.

Don't underestimate flattery and rivalry!
12 posted on 11/18/2005 5:20:53 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
Don't underestimate flattery and rivalry
Good point. A real shortcoming of mine. I need to learn to play with all the tools available!
13 posted on 11/18/2005 5:24:26 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
The last time I wrote them about this I got the "I'll keep you views in mind when..." response. Translation: "Kiss off - but still vote for me".
14 posted on 11/18/2005 5:27:43 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: blackbart.223
Since when do turds like Fiengold care about The Bill Of Rights?

If he reads it during a Filibuster, it will probably be the first time.

Hey, Senator Feingold, start with Amendment 1. Sound familiar?

I didn't think so...

15 posted on 11/18/2005 5:37:13 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: neverdem
Best news I've heard in weeks. Anything that keeps the Senate from doing its 'work' is a good thing. Ditto for the House. We don't need any more laws. What we need is to have the existing laws enforced.

Sort of a modern day version of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf".
16 posted on 11/18/2005 6:01:51 AM PST by jwpjr
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To: jwpjr
Best news I've heard in weeks. Anything that keeps the Senate from doing its 'work' is a good thing. Ditto for the House. We don't need any more laws. What we need is to have many of the existing laws enforced repealed.

There are already too many laws. They don't just need to stop the bleeding, they need to correct the damage already done.

17 posted on 11/18/2005 7:32:15 AM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: George W. Bush

There's not a one in Washington gives a whooptie-damn about preserving the original Constitutional rights of Americans if it so much as abrades one square inch of their own political skins. In its original context, the Constitution will consistantly chap their hides.

In effect, their view of the Constitution is backwards, the Constitution begins by recognizing the Creator as He who endows or confers rights equally among men and the document of the Constitution is a grant of authority from the people TO THE GOVERNMENT on a specific few of those rights.

IOW, the Constitution does not grant US citizens any rights - not the first. It specifies the areas in which government may infringe upon those that are commonly Divinely endowed.


18 posted on 11/18/2005 8:49:59 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Still Thinking

re: There are already too many laws

How very true! Maybe we need a law that says if hasn't been prosecution under a law in a certain length of time the law is repealed with no further action!


19 posted on 11/18/2005 8:51:00 AM PST by jwpjr
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To: George W. Bush

Thanks for the ping .... ATTENTION ALL FREEPERS .... contact your Representatives and Senators... it's that important!


20 posted on 11/18/2005 9:03:23 AM PST by Yasotay
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