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House rejects troop pullout; Dems decry vote (Rep. Ford yells repub's making uncalled for attacks)
AP ^ | November 19, 2005 | AP

Posted on 11/19/2005 12:50:54 AM PST by Former Military Chick

WASHINGTON - The House on Friday overwhelmingly rejected calls for an immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq, a vote engineered by the Republicans that was intended to fail. Democrats derided the vote as a political stunt.

"Our troops have become the enemy. We need to change direction in Iraq," said Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania, a Democratic hawk whose call a day earlier for pulling out troops sparked a nasty, personal debate over the war.

The House voted 403-3 to reject a nonbinding resolution calling for an immediate troop withdrawal.

"We want to make sure that we support our troops that are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. We will not retreat," Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., said as the GOP leadership pushed the issue to a vote over the protest of Democrats.

It was the second time in less than a week that President Bush's Iraq policy stirred heated debate in Congress. On Tuesday, the Senate defeated a Democratic push for Bush to lay out a timetable for withdrawal.

Murtha, a 73-year-old Marine veteran decorated for combat service in Vietnam, issued his call for a troop withdrawal at a news conference on Thursday. In little more than 24 hours, Hastert and Republicans decided to put the question to the House.

Democrats said it was a political move and quickly decided to vote against it in an attempt to drain it of significance.

"A disgrace," declared House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

"The rankest of politics and the absence of any sense of shame," added Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the No. 2 House Democrat.

Republicans hoped to place Democrats in an unappealing position - either supporting a withdrawal that critics said would be precipitous or opposing it and angering voters who want an end to the conflict. They also hoped the vote could restore GOP momentum on an issue - the war - that has seen plummeting public support in recent weeks.

Democrats claimed Republicans were changing the meaning of Murtha's withdrawal proposal. He has said a smooth withdrawal would take six months.

At one point in the emotional debate, Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, told of a phone call she received from a Marine colonel.

"He asked me to send Congress a message - stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message - that cowards cut and run, Marines never do," Schmidt said. Murtha is a 37-year Marine veteran.

Democrats booed and shouted her down - causing the House to come to a standstill.

Rep. Harold Ford, D-Tenn., charged across the chamber's center aisle screaming that Republicans were making uncalled-for personal attacks.

"You guys are pathetic! Pathetic!" yelled Rep. Marty Meehan, D-Mass.

Democrats gave Murtha a standing ovation as he entered the chamber and took his customary corner seat.

The fireworks, as lawmakers rushed toward a two-week Thanksgiving break, came just days after the GOP-controlled Senate defeated a Democratic push for Bush to lay out a timetable for withdrawal. Spotlighting questions from both parties about the war, senators approved a statement that 2006 should be a significant year in which conditions are created for the phased withdrawal of U.S. forces.

Murtha has proposed his own resolution, which would force the president to withdraw the nearly 160,000 troops in Iraq "at the earliest practicable date." It would establish a quick-reaction force and a nearby presence of Marines in the region. It also said the U.S. must pursue stability in Iraq through diplomacy.

The Republican alternative simply said: "It is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately."

"It's just heinous," Rep. Ellen Tauscher, D-Calif., said of the Republican move.

"This is a personal attack on one of the best members, one of the most respected members of this House, and it is outrageous," said Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, however, said the resolution vote was not a stunt. "This is not an attack on an individual. This is a legitimate question."

"They've been itching for a fight for a long time," Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., said of the Democrats.

Bush, traveling in Asia, also fired back at his critics, saying a troop withdrawal would be "a recipe for disaster."

Most Republicans oppose Murtha's call for withdrawal, and some Democrats also have been reluctant to back his position.

A growing number of House members and senators, looking ahead to off-year elections next November, are publicly worrying about a quagmire in Iraq. They have been staking out new positions on a war that is increasingly unpopular with the American public, has resulted in more than 2,000 U.S. military deaths and has cost more than $200 billion.

A U.S. field commander in Iraq countered the position of the congressman who usually backs the Pentagon.

"Here on the ground, our job is not done," said Col. James Brown, commander of the 56th Brigade Combat Team, when asked about Murtha's comments during a weekly briefing that American field commanders give to Pentagon reporters.


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KEYWORDS: 109th; calledtheirbluff; duncanhunter; haroldford; jeanschmidt; johnmurtha; murtha; nancypelosi
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To: Former Military Chick
I'm still looking for the headline that says:

Overwhelming Bi-Partisan Support for War in Congress

81 posted on 11/19/2005 10:55:33 AM PST by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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To: hershey

It was pointed out very well last night that BJ Clinton's "home by Christmas" pledge for Kosovo was nothing but hot air....we STILL have troops there after 10 years.


82 posted on 11/19/2005 11:25:01 AM PST by RasterMaster ("Bin Laden shows others the road to Paradise, but never offers to go along for the ride." GWB)
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To: Former Military Chick

"WASHINGTON - The House on Friday overwhelmingly rejected calls for an immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq, a vote engineered by the Republicans that was intended to fail. Democrats derided the vote as a political stunt. "

Why was it intended to fail? I mean if the Democrats felt so strongly about us pulling out, the vote would have been 230-215. But 403-3?

Now the RATS have to shut their pie holes. They had the chance to complain, they did and now they are on record for supporting the military in Iraq.


83 posted on 11/19/2005 11:34:33 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: Former Military Chick
Rep. Harold Ford, D-Tenn., charged across the chamber's center aisle screaming that Republicans were making uncalled-for personal attacks.

Where's the "they can dish it out but not take it" alert. LOL

84 posted on 11/19/2005 11:35:58 AM PST by Fruitbat
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To: All

Man, is this piece loaded up with lefty drivel or what?


85 posted on 11/19/2005 11:36:33 AM PST by Luke21 (Political correctness is the insane religion of our rulers.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Thinking about these schumcks ever take the reigns of power again in the US, one wonders if we'll see another Civil War.


86 posted on 11/19/2005 11:38:25 AM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Former Military Chick
Who were the three who voted FOR the immediate pull out?

This is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

SHAMEFULL.

These Deomncrats are doing everything feasible to try and undermine Bush, our military and create another Viet Nam. It totally disgusts me. If we did pull out, then ALL the men and women who died over there would be in vain. I despise Demoncrats. They are EVIL.
87 posted on 11/19/2005 11:39:33 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Former Military Chick
"You guys are pathetic! Pathetic!" yelled Rep. Marty Meehan, D-Mass."

AND, this guy knows 'pathetic' from personal experience there in Massasschewsitz.

88 posted on 11/19/2005 11:42:26 AM PST by litehaus
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To: Former Military Chick
Rep. Harold Ford, D-Tenn., charged across the chamber's center aisle screaming that Republicans were making uncalled-for personal attacks.

Thereby ending Mr. Ford's run at a Senate seat in Tennessee next year.

89 posted on 11/19/2005 11:43:39 AM PST by MattinNJ (Allen/Pawlenty in 08-play the map.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Yeah, I'm a little quizzical about this, too. I mean, Vietnam? The guy's only about five years younger than my WWII dad. How did Murtha miss Korea? I am willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, but I would be interested in a little more info about exactly what he did in Vietnam. I thought I heard that he had a couple of Purple Hearts?

I'm recalling Burtha's (err...Murtha's) comment about VP Cheney's five deferments, using that to say that he (Cheney) has no say...I seem to remember reading that Jean Francois Kerry had FOUR deferments, and only went when the FIFTH one was turned down...or let's not forget DNC Chair Howard Dean, who got a medical deferment from serving in Nam, and was soon spotted SKIING.

I suggest a new amendment - that no one else can use Vietnam as a piggyback to higher political aspirations. Why the hell anyone would want to pimp being a part of a war that we LOST is anyone's guess. And we lost it because of shickenchit ideas like Murtha's (only in Nam, it was carried out to fruition).

90 posted on 11/19/2005 11:45:40 AM PST by Christian4Bush (Howard Dean would declare DNC victory after winning a game of rock/paper/scissors.)
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To: Chicago_Jim

Welcome aboard.


91 posted on 11/19/2005 11:47:30 AM PST by MattinNJ (Allen/Pawlenty in 08-play the map.)
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To: Atlantian
A thread last night said that Murtha received his purple hearts for two wounds, one above his left eye and another one on his cheek. Neither involved hospitalization.

Is it possible that this is what John Kerry will look like, in 15 years?

92 posted on 11/19/2005 11:49:45 AM PST by Christian4Bush (Howard Dean would declare DNC victory after winning a game of rock/paper/scissors.)
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To: Former Military Chick
These isolationist liberals don't even have the guts to put their vote where their appeasement is.
93 posted on 11/19/2005 11:50:51 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Yeah, I'm a little quizzical about this, too. I mean, Vietnam? The guy's only about five years younger than my WWII dad. How did Murtha miss Korea?

He was both a Vietnam War and Korean War veteran and, as NPR was trumpeting yesterday, he has two Purple Hearts. That, however, makes his opinion no more sacrosanct than the opinion of my uncle who also has two Purple Hearts and whose opinion the liberal news media could care less about as it differs from their political agenda.

94 posted on 11/19/2005 11:50:57 AM PST by Polybius
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To: RasterMaster
It was pointed out very well last night that BJ Clinton's "home by Christmas" pledge for Kosovo was nothing but hot air....we STILL have troops there after 10 years.

By the way, when is Harry Truman going to bring the troops back from Korea?

95 posted on 11/19/2005 11:53:09 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Wolfgang_Blitzkrieg

I vote for a combination of electoshock therapy and high colonics, repeated every 4 hours.


96 posted on 11/19/2005 11:53:42 AM PST by expatpat
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To: RasterMaster
It was pointed out very well last night that BJ Clinton's "home by Christmas" pledge for Kosovo was nothing but hot air....we STILL have troops there after 10 years.

I'm trying to remember who said that. I hope the House Record from last night will be posted soon.

97 posted on 11/19/2005 11:55:52 AM PST by Christian4Bush (Howard Dean would declare DNC victory after winning a game of rock/paper/scissors.)
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To: cowboyway

Somewhere in America, there's the dumbest 73-year-old Marine veteran decorated for combat service in Vietnam in America.


98 posted on 11/19/2005 11:56:14 AM PST by Crawdad (So the guy says to the doctor, "It hurts when I do this.")
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To: Polybius
"By the way, when is Harry Truman going to bring the troops back from Korea?"

Where's the FDR "exit strategy" (signal of surrender) for Germany? Japan?

99 posted on 11/19/2005 11:56:21 AM PST by RasterMaster ("Bin Laden shows others the road to Paradise, but never offers to go along for the ride." GWB)
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To: Christian4Bush

If I recall, it was the last speaker, Texas Congressman Sam Johnson. The DUmocrats also didn't want him to finish, but were too spineless to go on record as opposing him.


100 posted on 11/19/2005 11:58:41 AM PST by RasterMaster ("Bin Laden shows others the road to Paradise, but never offers to go along for the ride." GWB)
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