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Posted on 11/21/2005 7:33:09 PM PST by dervish
Senator Kerry, supposedly defending Rep. John Murtha, said, "I won't stand for the Swift-Boating of Jack Murtha!" As one of the 254 members of Mr. Kerry's unit in Vietnam who belonged to Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth, I found Mr. Kerry's comments most ironic.
To us, Mr. Kerry's comments meant that no one should do to Mr. Murtha that which Mr. Kerry did to all of us and our fellow Vietnam veterans, living and dead. Mr. Kerry's disgraceful comments on many occasions in 1971 (while we were locked in combat), claiming falsely that we were "murdering" hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese and committing rape and mayhem on a daily basis, are a part of the public record for which he has never apologized. This might be called "Kerrying" our soldiers.
In his own strange way, in his recent comments, Mr. Kerry was trying by implication to compare himself to Mr. Murtha - the gravest of insults to Mr. Murtha, who was given a standing ovation by the House of Representatives (which then properly buried his immediate pullout suggestion 403-3). Mr. Murtha's long military record stands in stark contrast with Mr. Kerry's continuous self-promotion of his short and controversial service in our unit. More importantly, Mr. Murtha has never compared our troops in the field - now or then - to the "Army of Genghis Khan" or claimed our adversaries, whether the bloody communists and Khmer Rouge or the butchers of Al Qaeda, were simply democratic reformers. Can anyone - even in the cocoon of Washington or the incestuous world of Mainstream Media - imagine either side of the aisle spontaneously rising to clap for anything that Mr. Kerry ever did or said?
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Murtha didn't even have the balls to vote for what he was so ardently flapping his yap about. After saying over and over again we should withdraw from Iraq immediately, he couldn't even VOTE for his own course of action.
Respect is something you earn every day. It's not some status you're automatically accorded because of your past. He (and the Rats) lost any claim to Americans' respect when he maligned our war effort and then didn't have the cojones to back his own preferred course of action. Blatant hypocrites, all.
We owe a big debt to John O'Neill and the SBVT. Heroes all!
Yes....I can appreciate that John O'Neill is trying to distinguish Murtha from that treasonous idiot Kerry, but Murtha doesn't automatically get acclaim from THIS generation...
He is trying to make it possible that my two granddaughters are either killed for being Christian...or wearing burqas when they grow up.
I don't respect ANYONE that puts party over country.
I respect Murtha's military service, I just believe he is acting stupid and is being used.
I met Mr O'Neill last year. What a modest man who accomplished so much for this country.
"We owe a big debt to John O'Neill and the SBVT. Heroes all!"
O'Neill is so typical of our Viet Nam era veterans. Quiet heroes who did their duty then came home expecting no glory (and boy, they sure got very little). They then picked up their lives where they had left off and got on with good honorable lives.
I detest what John Kerry and the men & women like him did to try to sully these vets.
Democrats like Murtha and Reid and Kerry are Sunshine Traitors, not sunshine patriots. In other words, we are kicking ass in this war, winning the war in a matter of weeks and then slowly but steadily winning the peace. Things are going well, so what do Demorats do? They tear it down, make victory appear to be defeat, and with control of the propaganda mills, they get a few simple-minded folks to begin to believe their big lie.
However, the troops and those who do more than skim the headlines know better. We are winning, as they are screaming in their emails from the front. Because George Bush cannot be permitted to win a great victory, the perception that we are winning must be defeated. The only way to do that is to lie about the war, to diminish the accomplishments and magnify the setbacks.
To actively seek to harm the war effort makes one a traitor. That is what all Demorats are right now, with the exception of Lieberman. They are sunshine traitors--when their country is winning, they try to cause its defeat.
I've heard (from a somewhat reliable source), that Murtha is the target of an ethics investigation. If that's true, then his criticism of the war was just a smokescreen, an effort to build some goodwill among his liberal allies before the inquiry goes public--and allowing him to paint the investigation as a GOP "smear."
They did this for Viet Nam, of course, but just before they trotted that one out they demanded the Vietnamese change their draft age from 21 to 18. They couldn't complain about the draft age this time because, alas, we don't have a draft, and Charley Rangel's effort to get one failed.
It's pretty clear that Nancy Pelosi and her running dog lackeys in the Democratic party have in mind a grand finale that will have a million Iraqi Shi'ites setting sail into small boats out into the Gulf where half will drown.
Their thirst for human blood is never slaked!
The swiftboat veterans, by definition, were all Vietnam combat veterans. Every one of them had whatever combat claim to fame Kerry sought for himself. More, in fact, because they served in Vietnam longer than his abbreviated tour. But we live in a leftist infected world where these combat veterans are used like a dirty word.
Think about it, Kerry is a swift boat vet, he says that is his badge of honor, yet he is now permitted to use "swiftboat" as an insult. Sick times indeed.
The only analogy of Iraq to Vietnam that works is the one the Democrats are bent on creating, turning a win into a defeat, precipitously withdrawing causing untold harm to those who have relied on us and shame to our country and soldiers.
I sometimes think the whole concept of "exit strategy," born in Vietnam, should be deep sixed. What was the exit strategy in WW2? The term implies inability to succeed or complete the job.
EXCELLENT! Thank you, dervish. :)
This needs to be used against all the Democraps!
double ping for a true hero, John O'Neill
we need to hear from john o'neill again.....is he scheduled soon?
I'll certainly BUMP for John O'Neill!
Did you notice that some Republican introduced 'another' war hero Friday night. He listed his medals and they were numerous and then he announced Rep. Sam Johnson of Texas.
I respect Murtha's right to disagre - as long as he does so in good faith. At 403-3, look like most of America disagrees with him.
As for Kerry, he's still selfish - trying to weasel in drawing any equivalence between himself and Murtha.
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Thanks for the ping!
ah, he was a real war hero, but not a traitor, so the MSM didn't stick around for him....
Still pounding on Kerry ping...
You're right bitt, Murtha is all they will think about.
The only acceptable "exit strategy" is leaving after we win.
Heard him on Laura Ingrham's show. Won't hear him on the msm.
I've been wondering this since late last week: what IS it about the Democrats who keep on trotting out barely known "war heroes" named John as political cover to bash the President? And at that, "heroes" of a war that America LOST (and they lost it specifically BECAUSE of the same tactics that worked then, being tried now)?
Amen to that!
And yet, Kerry's use of the verb "to swiftboat" conveys his terrified understanding of what the Swifties did in 2004.
You are right but it's the Republicans fault. They should be bringing out every Republican who served and having them speaking out, day after day! We are getting 'out-talked'!
I for the life of me cannot understand why the Republicans are so bad at fighting back against the democrats and their media accomplices. Reagan had them cowed. Every time they pulled this crap, he went on TV, explained things, and had the press and Dems run away with their tails between their legs. Granted, Bush is no Reagan, but couldn't there be some way to magnificently get the points across??? They don't even seem to try.
Yep. They are finally coming around but they have to realize that for a lot of sheep, if the msm doesn't cover it, it didn't happen.
I guess it's just the power of the 'word'. They have been talking, [lying], for months and they just keep on while nobody has been doing much on our side.
If you tell a lie often enough, people will believe it. The MSM is on the dems side so everybody hears it. Thankfully Cheney and some others are beginning to speak out.
I've never understood why the President puts up with lies without speaking out!! He needs to change his tone.
I kindof wrote what you said in post #40. Thankfully we have all the talkshow host and Fox News. If you listen to the dems on other forums, they actually think the MSM is on our side!
Bush's handlers seem afraid that his speaking style doesn't go over well with the people...they have it wrong. Only the effete snobs and pseudo-intellectuals insist that he is "speech-impaired"...
Personally, I enjoy his stammers and mixed up words, because when he is on his rant, he seems like a man of the people...and I don't think he is less intelligent, I think he is just NOT a natural born snakeoil salesman....
"It's character, stupid"....(the unspoken rallying cry of 2000)
If by exit strategy, you mean the point at which there is stability and troop levels have been drawn down to garrison strength, then you are talking about something that we should be able to accomplish within 2 to 5 years. That's not an "exit" per se, but liberals are trying to get us to commit to an exit. It's an argument that starts from a false premise.
Bush better start splainin some of this stuff.
I just happend to catch the tail end of the debate that
was replayed on CSPAN Sunday morning. Rep. Johnson's
speech said it all. On a side note. The Military Channel
has a show called "Legends of Airpower". The episode that
I saw this evening was about Sam Johnson. The man flew
P-51's. F-86's in Korea. F-100's with the Thunderbirds.
Co-wrote the first US book on fighter tactics. Commanded
the Fighter Weapons School(Red Flag). Flew F-4's in Viet
Nam and was a POW.
"...To us, Mr. Kerry's comments meant that no one should do to Mr. Murtha that which Mr. Kerry did to all of us and our fellow Vietnam veterans, living and dead. Mr. Kerry's disgraceful comments on many occasions in 1971 (while we were locked in combat), claiming falsely that we were "murdering" hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese and committing rape and mayhem on a daily basis, are a part of the public record for which he has never apologized. This might be called "Kerrying" our soldiers..."
Lifelong Independent Voter AND a Viet Nam Vet
helping the Republican Party, again,
just like on Nov 2 2004 PING
JOHN O'NEILL STILL GETS IT PING!
Too bad the "Move On FReepers" are still on FR and not
DU where they came from!
DU loves "Move On FReepers" who howl and scream,
just like Howard Dean
DU loves "Move On FReepers" who attack honorable
Viet Nam Vets rather than the dishonorable hanoi kerry.
DU loves "Move On FReepers" who "swore"
klintoon, hitlery, hanoi kerry, sanbdi ber(bur)glar, al bore, jane beno,
would be prosecuted for
pardongate, chinagate, the bribes in upstate NY in the 2000 NY Senate race, waco, etc, etc,
"when" the "time was right".
Always a great zinger!
October 7, 2003
You see the problems theyre having in finding replacements for the troops that are over there, said Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), the top Democrat on the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee.
We cant sustain a one front war for any length of time., said Murtha, who supports a draft but is not sure the time is ripe for its reintroduction. You can make the deployment but you cant sustain it because we have so many worldwide commitments, so Im for the draft.
Theres 128,000 [troops] over there right now. To sustain 128,000 American troops [you have to] have more National Guard and reserve troops than regular.
He added, I dont think we can afford that. Im talking about the complaints Im getting right now from all reserves and guards about their lives being so disrupted. Im getting major complaints from almost every major unit.
There is only one word in the English language that adequately describes what he (Kerry) was in 1971 and what he remains today for capitalizing on the evil he perpetrated back then. That word is "traitor." (Excerpt)