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Summer Soldiers
NY Sun ^ | 11/21/05 | JOHN O'NEILL

Posted on 11/21/2005 7:33:09 PM PST by dervish

Senator Kerry, supposedly defending Rep. John Murtha, said, "I won't stand for the Swift-Boating of Jack Murtha!" As one of the 254 members of Mr. Kerry's unit in Vietnam who belonged to Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth, I found Mr. Kerry's comments most ironic.

To us, Mr. Kerry's comments meant that no one should do to Mr. Murtha that which Mr. Kerry did to all of us and our fellow Vietnam veterans, living and dead. Mr. Kerry's disgraceful comments on many occasions in 1971 (while we were locked in combat), claiming falsely that we were "murdering" hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese and committing rape and mayhem on a daily basis, are a part of the public record for which he has never apologized. This might be called "Kerrying" our soldiers.

In his own strange way, in his recent comments, Mr. Kerry was trying by implication to compare himself to Mr. Murtha - the gravest of insults to Mr. Murtha, who was given a standing ovation by the House of Representatives (which then properly buried his immediate pullout suggestion 403-3). Mr. Murtha's long military record stands in stark contrast with Mr. Kerry's continuous self-promotion of his short and controversial service in our unit. More importantly, Mr. Murtha has never compared our troops in the field - now or then - to the "Army of Genghis Khan" or claimed our adversaries, whether the bloody communists and Khmer Rouge or the butchers of Al Qaeda, were simply democratic reformers. Can anyone - even in the cocoon of Washington or the incestuous world of Mainstream Media - imagine either side of the aisle spontaneously rising to clap for anything that Mr. Kerry ever did or said?

'snip'

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Our nation and our soldiers, who have shown their courage, decency, and worth in desperate fighting on dozens of battlefields, deserve our support for their mission and themselves. They deserve infinitely more than summer soldiers, sunshine patriots, and armchair Napoleons, whose determination and purpose melts with the first winter storm.
1 posted on 11/21/2005 7:33:10 PM PST by dervish
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To: devolve; PhilDragoo; bitt; potlatch

Swiftie ping


2 posted on 11/21/2005 7:37:49 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: dervish

Murtha didn't even have the balls to vote for what he was so ardently flapping his yap about. After saying over and over again we should withdraw from Iraq immediately, he couldn't even VOTE for his own course of action.

Respect is something you earn every day. It's not some status you're automatically accorded because of your past. He (and the Rats) lost any claim to Americans' respect when he maligned our war effort and then didn't have the cojones to back his own preferred course of action. Blatant hypocrites, all.


3 posted on 11/21/2005 7:40:08 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Cowards cut and run. Marines never do. Murtha can ESAD, that cowardly, no-longer-a-Marine, traitor.)
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To: dervish
Murtha has become the Dean Wormer of the House of Representatives. Where people might once have accorded him the title "Honorable" out of respect for his office, he will be forever hounded by sneezing that sounds like "Bu!!sh1t" and "E@t Me."

Even when they use the term "respected" in the same sentence with "Murtha," it will sound as if they are describing something loathsome stuck to the bottom of their shoe.
4 posted on 11/21/2005 7:52:47 PM PST by Natty Bumppo@frontier.net (An armed society is a polite society; a mobile society is a fulfilled one. Guns and cars = freedom)
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To: dervish

We owe a big debt to John O'Neill and the SBVT. Heroes all!


5 posted on 11/21/2005 7:53:28 PM PST by chgomac
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To: LibertarianInExile

Yes....I can appreciate that John O'Neill is trying to distinguish Murtha from that treasonous idiot Kerry, but Murtha doesn't automatically get acclaim from THIS generation...

He is trying to make it possible that my two granddaughters are either killed for being Christian...or wearing burqas when they grow up.

I don't respect ANYONE that puts party over country.


6 posted on 11/21/2005 7:54:38 PM PST by Txsleuth (9/11NEVER FORGET-NEVER SURRENDER, Sam Johnson, a REAL hero!)
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To: dervish

I respect Murtha's military service, I just believe he is acting stupid and is being used.


7 posted on 11/21/2005 7:59:44 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: chgomac

I met Mr O'Neill last year. What a modest man who accomplished so much for this country.


8 posted on 11/21/2005 8:09:23 PM PST by dervish (no excuse s)
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To: chgomac

"We owe a big debt to John O'Neill and the SBVT. Heroes all!"

Indeed!


9 posted on 11/21/2005 8:13:38 PM PST by fizziwig
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To: dervish

O'Neill is so typical of our Viet Nam era veterans. Quiet heroes who did their duty then came home expecting no glory (and boy, they sure got very little). They then picked up their lives where they had left off and got on with good honorable lives.

I detest what John Kerry and the men & women like him did to try to sully these vets.


10 posted on 11/21/2005 8:15:26 PM PST by chgomac
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To: dervish
Laura Ingraham and others have been calling Democrats "summer soldiers" and "sunshine patriots", using the words of Patrick Henry for those who fought for the revolution when things looked good, but who went home when things got tough. I think the analogy is inapt.

Democrats like Murtha and Reid and Kerry are Sunshine Traitors, not sunshine patriots. In other words, we are kicking ass in this war, winning the war in a matter of weeks and then slowly but steadily winning the peace. Things are going well, so what do Demorats do? They tear it down, make victory appear to be defeat, and with control of the propaganda mills, they get a few simple-minded folks to begin to believe their big lie.

However, the troops and those who do more than skim the headlines know better. We are winning, as they are screaming in their emails from the front. Because George Bush cannot be permitted to win a great victory, the perception that we are winning must be defeated. The only way to do that is to lie about the war, to diminish the accomplishments and magnify the setbacks.

To actively seek to harm the war effort makes one a traitor. That is what all Demorats are right now, with the exception of Lieberman. They are sunshine traitors--when their country is winning, they try to cause its defeat.

12 posted on 11/21/2005 8:28:24 PM PST by Defiant (Dar al Salaam will exist when the entire world submits to American leadership.)
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To: popdonnelly

I've heard (from a somewhat reliable source), that Murtha is the target of an ethics investigation. If that's true, then his criticism of the war was just a smokescreen, an effort to build some goodwill among his liberal allies before the inquiry goes public--and allowing him to paint the investigation as a GOP "smear."


13 posted on 11/21/2005 8:36:13 PM PST by Spook86 (,)
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To: dervish
Look, the Dems have already moved beyond Murtha into mounting a full blown demand that the "Iraqis come to understand they've got to defend themselves".

They did this for Viet Nam, of course, but just before they trotted that one out they demanded the Vietnamese change their draft age from 21 to 18. They couldn't complain about the draft age this time because, alas, we don't have a draft, and Charley Rangel's effort to get one failed.

It's pretty clear that Nancy Pelosi and her running dog lackeys in the Democratic party have in mind a grand finale that will have a million Iraqi Shi'ites setting sail into small boats out into the Gulf where half will drown.

Their thirst for human blood is never slaked!

14 posted on 11/21/2005 8:37:26 PM PST by muawiyah (u)
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To: Defiant
Sadly, we don't have a republican leadership with the insight or cajones to explain things as you just did.

The swiftboat veterans, by definition, were all Vietnam combat veterans. Every one of them had whatever combat claim to fame Kerry sought for himself. More, in fact, because they served in Vietnam longer than his abbreviated tour. But we live in a leftist infected world where these combat veterans are used like a dirty word.

Think about it, Kerry is a swift boat vet, he says that is his badge of honor, yet he is now permitted to use "swiftboat" as an insult. Sick times indeed.

15 posted on 11/21/2005 8:44:47 PM PST by Williams
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To: Defiant; muawiyah

The only analogy of Iraq to Vietnam that works is the one the Democrats are bent on creating, turning a win into a defeat, precipitously withdrawing causing untold harm to those who have relied on us and shame to our country and soldiers.

I sometimes think the whole concept of "exit strategy," born in Vietnam, should be deep sixed. What was the exit strategy in WW2? The term implies inability to succeed or complete the job.


16 posted on 11/21/2005 8:47:13 PM PST by dervish (no excuse s)
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To: dervish
Our nation and our soldiers, who have shown their courage, decency, and worth in desperate fighting on dozens of battlefields, deserve our support for their mission and themselves. They deserve infinitely more than summer soldiers, sunshine patriots, and armchair Napoleons, whose determination and purpose melts with the first winter storm.

EXCELLENT! Thank you, dervish. :)

17 posted on 11/21/2005 8:48:49 PM PST by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: dervish
This might be called "Kerrying" our soldiers.

This needs to be used against all the Democraps!

STOP "JOHN KERRYING" OUR TROUPS!


18 posted on 11/21/2005 8:55:34 PM PST by Bommer (To Ted Kennedy - "Fat Drunk and Stupid is no way to go through life son!" - Dean Wormer)
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To: ntnychik; Zacs Mom; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; potlatch; Smartass; Boazo; Alamo-Girl; devolve; ...

double ping for a true hero, John O'Neill


19 posted on 11/21/2005 9:03:29 PM PST by bitt ('"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: dervish
I sure wish someone would find a way to pass along to Mr. Kerry, some laryngitis or something! Just make him shut up!! He is such a useless idiot!
20 posted on 11/21/2005 9:07:13 PM PST by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: Laura_Ingraham

we need to hear from john o'neill again.....is he scheduled soon?


21 posted on 11/21/2005 9:08:05 PM PST by bitt ( deserve infinitely more than summer soldiers, sunshine patriots, and armchair Napoleons, whose)
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To: bitt; ntnychik

I'll certainly BUMP for John O'Neill!

Did you notice that some Republican introduced 'another' war hero Friday night. He listed his medals and they were numerous and then he announced Rep. Sam Johnson of Texas.


22 posted on 11/21/2005 9:11:49 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: dervish

I respect Murtha's right to disagre - as long as he does so in good faith. At 403-3, look like most of America disagrees with him.

As for Kerry, he's still selfish - trying to weasel in drawing any equivalence between himself and Murtha.

Tagline ping ---->


23 posted on 11/21/2005 9:12:47 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: bitt

Thanks for the ping!


24 posted on 11/21/2005 9:13:22 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: potlatch

ah, he was a real war hero, but not a traitor, so the MSM didn't stick around for him....


25 posted on 11/21/2005 9:13:42 PM PST by bitt ( deserve infinitely more than summer soldiers, sunshine patriots, and armchair Napoleons, whose)
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To: dervish

bttt


26 posted on 11/21/2005 9:14:21 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Howlin; eddie willers; cajungirl; wirestripper; Southflanknorthpawsis; Peach; prairiebreeze; ...

Still pounding on Kerry ping...


27 posted on 11/21/2005 9:15:31 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

Ping!


28 posted on 11/21/2005 9:16:17 PM PST by The Shrew (www.swiftvets.com & www.wintersoldier.com - The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: bitt

You're right bitt, Murtha is all they will think about.


29 posted on 11/21/2005 9:17:06 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: dervish
"exit strategy,"

The only acceptable "exit strategy" is leaving after we win.

30 posted on 11/21/2005 9:17:11 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Interesting Times
Dang! You always did read faster than me!

Regards,

TS

31 posted on 11/21/2005 9:17:27 PM PST by The Shrew (www.swiftvets.com & www.wintersoldier.com - The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: Interesting Times; ntnychik; devolve; PhilDragoo; bitt; Boazo
LOL, thanks I.T., Hillary likes to pound on him too!

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32 posted on 11/21/2005 9:23:32 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Fenris6
Swiftie Bump!! I agree with Murtha's "right to disagree" but he should've had the fortitude to stand by his comments and up that landslide mudslide number to 4!
33 posted on 11/21/2005 9:25:27 PM PST by FlashBack (When I grow up I wanna be a coWboy.)
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To: potlatch

Heard him on Laura Ingrham's show. Won't hear him on the msm.


34 posted on 11/21/2005 9:32:44 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: potlatch; All
You're right bitt, Murtha is all they will think about.

I've been wondering this since late last week: what IS it about the Democrats who keep on trotting out barely known "war heroes" named John as political cover to bash the President? And at that, "heroes" of a war that America LOST (and they lost it specifically BECAUSE of the same tactics that worked then, being tried now)?

35 posted on 11/21/2005 9:35:00 PM PST by Christian4Bush (Howard Dean would declare DNC victory after winning a game of rock/paper/scissors.)
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To: Interesting Times
Still pounding on Kerry ping...

Amen to that!

And yet, Kerry's use of the verb "to swiftboat" conveys his terrified understanding of what the Swifties did in 2004.

36 posted on 11/21/2005 9:35:46 PM PST by zot (GWB -- four more years!)
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To: Eagles6

You are right but it's the Republicans fault. They should be bringing out every Republican who served and having them speaking out, day after day! We are getting 'out-talked'!


37 posted on 11/21/2005 9:37:28 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Williams

I for the life of me cannot understand why the Republicans are so bad at fighting back against the democrats and their media accomplices. Reagan had them cowed. Every time they pulled this crap, he went on TV, explained things, and had the press and Dems run away with their tails between their legs. Granted, Bush is no Reagan, but couldn't there be some way to magnificently get the points across??? They don't even seem to try.


38 posted on 11/21/2005 9:38:24 PM PST by Defiant (Dar al Salaam will exist when the entire world submits to American leadership.)
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To: potlatch

Yep. They are finally coming around but they have to realize that for a lot of sheep, if the msm doesn't cover it, it didn't happen.


39 posted on 11/21/2005 9:39:47 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Christian4Bush

I guess it's just the power of the 'word'. They have been talking, [lying], for months and they just keep on while nobody has been doing much on our side.

If you tell a lie often enough, people will believe it. The MSM is on the dems side so everybody hears it. Thankfully Cheney and some others are beginning to speak out.

I've never understood why the President puts up with lies without speaking out!! He needs to change his tone.


40 posted on 11/21/2005 9:43:37 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Eagles6

I kindof wrote what you said in post #40. Thankfully we have all the talkshow host and Fox News. If you listen to the dems on other forums, they actually think the MSM is on our side!


41 posted on 11/21/2005 9:46:30 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Defiant

Bush's handlers seem afraid that his speaking style doesn't go over well with the people...they have it wrong. Only the effete snobs and pseudo-intellectuals insist that he is "speech-impaired"...

Personally, I enjoy his stammers and mixed up words, because when he is on his rant, he seems like a man of the people...and I don't think he is less intelligent, I think he is just NOT a natural born snakeoil salesman....

"It's character, stupid"....(the unspoken rallying cry of 2000)


42 posted on 11/21/2005 9:49:30 PM PST by bitt ( deserve infinitely more than summer soldiers, sunshine patriots, and armchair Napoleons, whose)
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To: dervish
The concept of "exit strategy" needs to be defined before we can agree to create one. Do we have an exit strategy for Germany, Japan and Korea? We've been in those places for over 50 years or more. There may be no "exit strategy" in the sense that we may need to station troops in Iraq for 30 years or more, but there will come a day when Iraq is responsible for its own internal security, just as Germany became responsible for its own internal affairs in the 50's. That doesn't mean that we won't station 30,000 troops there, or that there won't still be a few terrorist attacks there even decades from now, but Iraq will be a functioning democracy, the wealthiest land in the middle east, and Syria and Iran will crumble from within when that happens.

If by exit strategy, you mean the point at which there is stability and troop levels have been drawn down to garrison strength, then you are talking about something that we should be able to accomplish within 2 to 5 years. That's not an "exit" per se, but liberals are trying to get us to commit to an exit. It's an argument that starts from a false premise.

Bush better start splainin some of this stuff.

43 posted on 11/21/2005 9:50:22 PM PST by Defiant (Dar al Salaam will exist when the entire world submits to American leadership.)
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To: potlatch

I just happend to catch the tail end of the debate that
was replayed on CSPAN Sunday morning. Rep. Johnson's
speech said it all. On a side note. The Military Channel
has a show called "Legends of Airpower". The episode that
I saw this evening was about Sam Johnson. The man flew
P-51's. F-86's in Korea. F-100's with the Thunderbirds.
Co-wrote the first US book on fighter tactics. Commanded
the Fighter Weapons School(Red Flag). Flew F-4's in Viet
Nam and was a POW.

Mike


44 posted on 11/21/2005 10:03:12 PM PST by doublecansiter
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To: dervish; Laurita; CMS; The Sailor; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; OneLoyalAmerican; bkwells; ...

"...To us, Mr. Kerry's comments meant that no one should do to Mr. Murtha that which Mr. Kerry did to all of us and our fellow Vietnam veterans, living and dead. Mr. Kerry's disgraceful comments on many occasions in 1971 (while we were locked in combat), claiming falsely that we were "murdering" hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese and committing rape and mayhem on a daily basis, are a part of the public record for which he has never apologized. This might be called "Kerrying" our soldiers..."

Lifelong Independent Voter AND a Viet Nam Vet
helping the Republican Party, again,
just like on Nov 2 2004 PING

JOHN O'NEILL STILL GETS IT PING!

Too bad the "Move On FReepers" are still on FR and not
DU where they came from!

DU loves "Move On FReepers" who howl and scream,
just like Howard Dean

DU loves "Move On FReepers" who attack honorable
Viet Nam Vets rather than the dishonorable hanoi kerry.

DU loves "Move On FReepers" who "swore"
klintoon, hitlery, hanoi kerry, sanbdi ber(bur)glar, al bore, jane beno,
would be prosecuted for
pardongate, chinagate, the bribes in upstate NY in the 2000 NY Senate race, waco, etc, etc,
"when" the "time was right".


45 posted on 11/21/2005 10:23:15 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On FReepers" who support hanoi kerry and who "pretend" they back President Bush)
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To: All
Free online version of
hanoi kerry's playbook "The New Soldier"
You can read it online right now.



46 posted on 11/21/2005 10:26:48 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On FReepers" who support hanoi kerry and who "pretend" they back President Bush)
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To: potlatch


Always a great zinger!


47 posted on 11/21/2005 10:43:10 PM PST by devolve (<--- (--------(--do not check out my lame FR home page--)--------)
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To: dervish; Interesting Times

48 posted on 11/21/2005 11:00:09 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: muawiyah

The Hill

October 7, 2003

“You see the problems they’re having in finding replacements for the troops that are over there,” said Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), the top Democrat on the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee.

“We can’t sustain a one front war for any length of time.,” said Murtha, who supports a draft but is not sure the time is ripe for its reintroduction. “You can make the deployment but you can’t sustain it because we have so many worldwide commitments, so I’m for the draft.

“There’s 128,000 [troops] over there right now. To sustain 128,000 American troops [you have to] have more National Guard and reserve troops than regular.”

He added, “I don’t think we can afford that. I’m talking about the complaints I’m getting right now from all reserves and guards about their lives being so disrupted. I’m getting major complaints from almost every major unit.”


49 posted on 11/21/2005 11:01:00 PM PST by MattMa ("Void of ideas, driven by hate, vote the Democratic Party in 2008")
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; dervish; All

There is only one word in the English language that adequately describes what he (Kerry) was in 1971 – and what he remains today for capitalizing on the evil he perpetrated back then. That word is "traitor." (Excerpt)

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41169


50 posted on 11/21/2005 11:11:16 PM PST by Gucho
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