Posted on 11/22/2005 4:19:34 AM PST by E Rocc
-- Smokers will soon have to take it outside more often in Summit County.
The Summit County Council narrowly passed an ordinance Monday night restricting indoor smoking, making it illegal to smoke in bars, restaurants and workplaces in the county. There is a $150 fine for a first offense.
The proposal, which passed 6-5, pitted bar owners and smokers against those who decry the ill effects of secondhand cigarette smoke.
"This will save lives," said Gene Nixon, Summit County health commissioner. "This is a courageous thing to do."
Scott Brewer, who said he owns six taverns in Summit County, said the law could force him to lay off some of his workers if revenue drops because smokers stay away.
"It will kill my business," Brewer said. Some bar owners believe that smokers will now patronize bars and restaurants in adjacent counties, where they can drink, eat and smoke legally.
The bill's passage came only after its prime sponsors agreed to restrictions.
Council agreed Monday night to exempt tobacco shops, 20 percent of hotel and motel rooms and private, nonprofit clubs. Racetracks were also excluded, and bowling alleys are permitted to have smoking lounges.
Councilman Nick Kostandaras, whose northern Summit County district includes Northfield Park, pushed for most of those exemptions.
Summit County Executive Jim McCarthy, who is a smoker, said through a spokeswoman Monday night that he will sign the ordinance into law. It is set to take effect Feb. 28.
But while supporters applauded loudly in the packed council chambers after the measure passed, the city of Akron is already balking.
Mark Williamson, a spokesman for Mayor Don Plusquellic, said an existing law in Akron supersedes the new county law. About 40 percent of Summit County's residents live in Akron, where an existing clean indoor air law allows smoking in bars.
Some Summit County Council members support an effort to get a statewide prohibition against indoor smoking. Proponents have argued that such a law would be more uniform and would not pit county against county or community against community. Supporters of statewide restrictions on indoor smoking in public places are trying to get an issue on the ballot in Ohio next year.
A statewide ban would supersede bans already in place in 21 Ohio cities, including Columbus and Toledo.
Supporters of the Summit County law say it is a step toward fighting secondhand smoke and sends a message to state lawmakers that more Ohio communities are supporting laws banning smoking inside public buildings.
-Eric
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Our own office building isn't much better. It's pretty sad when professional people have to huddle together in a parking lot like a bunch of thugs just to have a cigarette. I don't smoke, but I really feel for these folks. Besides, it just looks bad. Of course, I suppose that will be the justification for banning smoking altogether.
Privately owned businesses are "public buildings" only in the addled brains of goosestepping Marxists. People who believe government should control how private property is used are fascists.
We are losing the concept of English common law where a man's home was his castle and the king's troops may not enter. Welcome to fascist America.
The bans are totally asinine! Aroostook County in Maine went smoke free for all health care facilities. I found out that in order for them to receive huge monetary grants, they had to ban smokers and smoking. Not long after, our local hospital received a huge MRI machine and you should see the remodeling they did.
They have chopped off the heads of the smokers for money!
And in southern Maine, they opened up TWO meth clinics with grant money because the smokers were banned. The general non-smoking public have NO idea of what is going on behind the scenes to ban smokers yet continue to collect huge money from us. There has to be an end in site.................
Personally, I wish all smokers could quit for just 6 months. That would set each state budget into a tail spin!
It's always about either money or power...or both. What about right and wrong?
There is a hospital, a nursing home and a couple of medical buildings in the couple of block area where I work, and since the ridiculous smoking bans anywhere on the property of medical facilities has been initiated, we are now seeing medical personnel and patients literally hanging out on street corners in scrubs, lab coats and bathrobes. This is stupidity taken to the level of absurdity. We were making a joke the other day about a little old man who was kinda wandering around out there smoking a cigarette and wondering how long it would be before some less alert patient got hit by a car while out having a smoke.The woman I'm seeing is an RN who works part time in an ER. She smokes, so do many of her co-workers. It's a stress thing.
One of the more ludicrous things I've ever seen was when I got stuck on jury duty at Cuyahoga County courthouse. Cleveland banned smoking in office buildings. But the jurors have a smoking room and each judge has the option of allowing smoking in the hallways outside their courtrooms.
-Eric
In this day and age, there is no right and wrong, according to the anti's. And they found a great patsy in people who smoke.
Also, with all these lies about second hand smoke and swaying the general public to believe that our smoke is killing them, is just another ploy to push smokers into the background as lepers.
If smoking and second hand smoke is so bad, why don't they just ban the whole works and be done with it. But, once again, they would cut off their own noses to save their ugly faces. Where oh where would they get the money that is generated by smokers? I believe smokers should be put on a pedestal for all the money we shell out and how we keep saving state budgets.
The lawmakers and the anti's sure can't have both!
""This will save lives," said Gene Nixon, Summit County health commissioner. "This is a courageous thing to do."
Fascists always consider their trampling of individual liberty and private property rights as courageous. I look forward to the FR posters celebrating this fascism.
How the hell do they know it's going to save lives? This is the most ridiculous statement yet!
Some time ago, I had occasion to visit the Veterans' Hospital in Dallas. Smoking was forbiden, and outside there were many Vietnam veterans who hung out on the patios to smoke. Many were in wheelchairs with IV drips on rollers. I can't tell you how sad it was except to say the temp. outside was below freezing. One more way to bash our veterans.
Guess by now even that is not allowed since all the wimpy, whining facists have figured out they have to pass through those areas. They'll never be satisfied 'til we bend completely to their will.
Yes, the bars in surrounding areas will benefit from this........it is the modus operandi of the anti-smoker crowd. Because summit businesses will be hurt by this, they will agree with the antis and help push for a statewide ban as opposed to working to get the Summit ban repealed.
Standard divide and conquer technique. And the sad thing is there are far too many FReepers who are in full support of these government edicts.
In this day and age, there is no right and wrong, according to the anti's. And they found a great patsy in people who smoke.One of South Park's greatest hits was the time that the giude at the "Museum of Tolerance" called the smoker she saw outside all kinds of intolerant names. >:)
The time the goofy anti-smoking activists got the kids curious about trying it was epic too.
-Eric
Have to agree with that, libby. I don't like smoking either, but the restrictions and solutions are getting ridiculous, especially with your medical facility example.
I ride by the high school every day and see high school staff hanging around with the smokers just outside school property. As soon as staff gets back inside, they are busting the same kids they were smoking with earlier. How's that for a double standard?
Where I work, there were plans in place not to allow employees to smoke in their car while on company property. Now how could they enforce that!!! I am glad to say that was able to participate in the overthrow of that regulation. LOL!
Get this: Fox News had on Cynthia from Sex and the City the other morning. She said one woman grabbed her and told her off about all that smoking on the show!
Can you believe it? I guess the porn and the sex, etc was ok with this woman, but smoking was the big bug a boo with her. What an idiot! The show is NOT for kids anyway!
Hey Gene, why don't you just set all the speed limits in your county to 15 miles an hour, that will save even more lives. Now that would be courageous, you moronic do gooder.
The Summit County Council narrowly passed an ordinance Monday night restricting private property rights, making it illegal for owners to determine their own clientele in bars, restaurants and workplaces in the county.
There - that is how the first sentence should read.
Notice they don't have the guts to ban smoking. I wonder why? No need to answer. That is a question I already know the answer to.
The idiot non smokers don't have a clue or they would shut the hell up!
Like I said. Let them pay the taxes. It will serve them right.
Good grief...........I'm so happy I turned the TV off a couple of weeks ago........If it's not on Animal Planet, the Travel Channel or a football game there's no TV on in this house much any more.
I like your attitude :)
But you're right - the non-smokers have no clue how much the states rely on smokers to balance state budgets. The anti-smokers don't want to do away with smoking, no matter what they say, because they know they will all be out of high paying jobs paid for by smokers.
I think I must be the lone voice out in the woods. How is it that the anti's can't see this? I don't smoke and I pay plenty in taxes now. I don't want to take up the slack.
Somehow I don't think I will be asked to. Legislators don't have the.....uh shall we say parts.....to change any tax law on the book regarding tobacco. Except to raise taxes that is.
And Fox News has a "beached whale" who calls himself Dr. Manny who is very obese. Yet he has the nerve to bash people who smoke!
Same ol', same ol' here!!!
You're not really such a lone voice, more and more non-smokers such as yourself are starting to realize this is a very dangerous precedent being set.
It's amazing how many of the anti-smokers are pro-choice when it comes to abortion, and all in favor of tolerance regarding homosexuality, but do not see their hypocracy when it comes to their anti-choice intolerant attitude toward tobacco and those who choose to use it.
You are so right! Sigh.......................
"Dr. Manny"???????
That's a new one on me.
He has been on the past two weeks as Fox's resident Doctor. And he is HUGE.
My uncle is at State War Veterans hospital in Jackson Miss and even though he never smoked, they do have indoor smoking lounge for the old guys.
And they deserve no less.
I have absolutely no problem with non-smokers who do not wish to be around tobacco smoke, just so long as they are not in favor of the government getting involved in the issue.
The smoking vs. non-smoking issue came up, again, at a meeting at the Moose Lodge last night. Some states/municipalities that have banned smoking have also included private clubs such as the Moose, others exempt them. Apparently there are several Lodges throughout the country that are voluntarily going smoke-free. Some have found it to be successful, others have not.
Of the 13 people attending the meeting only 2 are non-smokers and it was one of them who said the idea of going non-smoking would be a death knell for the Lodge. We don't have enough people coming in as it is, chasing away the majority of those few would be suicidal. The same is true for our Bingo - going non-smoking would kill us. Of the 72 people we had at bingo last week, only 4 were sitting at the no-smoking tables.
That would explain my ignorance - I turned the 24/7 TV news off at least a month ago :)
Savage called it a "Soft Communism" and I thought he was on to something.
What a world. When I was in school, one reason they provided a smoking lounge for the teachers was because the students weren't supposed to see the teachers smoking. Now they're commiserating with each other. I'm surprised they didn't just invoke the Weyco Rule.
I saw that, I didn't watch that show, but I liked her answer "Gee lady, people smoke. It's not like we were glorifying it or anything." It's this pretending like anything the left doesn't like doesn't exist, THAT is the essence of the soft communism of modern america. Like Christmas, for example, or Terrorism. It makes them look increasingly foolish to anyone with eyes since they resemble babbling idiots more and more.
I know, I'd have to find a frickin' dealer.
puff
Dr. Manny is a crony of the two-faced, double-talking, wannabe Katie Couric of morning cable Television news, Ed. Hill.
Oh sorry, I pinged you before I looked to see if you were here :)
He showed up around Katrina time.
How would the Weyco Rule be significant here? School staff are usually part of a teachers union that could protect employees rights. In this case, a labor union might be better than working for a business that can fire at will.
That's ok! Thanks for thinking of me. :)
Yep, Clinton, Blair and others liked to call their "new" governing theory "The Third Way." They pushed this farce as a happy medium between socialism and unbridled free enterprise. The plan is for government to control private property for the glory and the good of the almighty state. This, of course, is nothing more than old European style fascism, another branch of the Marxist tree.
So I'm willing to add Savage's "soft communism" as a new branch to the goosestepper's tree.
But I still enjoy calling these liberals fascists. It really turns their noses red, especially when you give them the old seig heil salute.
I just thought of what a silly euphemism "soft communism" is. "Soft communism" is Socializm or, more precisely, a transition period for the introduction of Marxist principles to the proletariat before the inevitable final revolution that will sweep from power and lofty position the evils of the hated bourgeosie for all time.
I think all Savage meant was socializm with rock & roll and everybody fat, dumb and unhappy. Maybe that's it. That's our innovation. How to be communist when everybody is drunk and fat and has more clothes and toys than they know what to do with. Even the poor. How to keep them ginned up against the "Man" THEN?
I thought there was an older version of "The Third Way" that was Socializm itself, promoted as a "kinder & gentler" form of Communism, in the 1950s maybe, by people like Nasser, and Ghandi(?). Is this not true?
Good cartoon.
I guess the smoking nazis just want to prove that smoking kills. This way, when people start dying of complications from catching pneumonia out in the freezing cold, they can say these people would still be alive if they didn't smoke. < /sarcasm >
When I was in school, there were smoking areas for the kids.
I've heard the Hitler called his national socialism "The Third Way." But I've seen no historical proof of that. I imagine it was some phrase thrown out by a third-rate Marxist scribbler and later adopted by left wing politicians. Marxists are good at making up stupid phrases that mean whatever they want it to mean.
Try reading a "soft law" document like the UN's Biodiversity Treaty. It's filled with verbs, adjectives and phrases honking nonsense at each other. Precautionary principle is one of their stupid phrases. It means that something must be done before something happens even if we don't have proof that it will happen. Kyoto and the global warming nonsense is one example of the precationary principle in action.
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