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Urban Legends About the Iraq War
The American Enterprise Online ^ | 11/16/05

Posted on 11/23/2005 7:08:24 AM PST by Valin

In recent weeks, by claiming that President Bush lied us into the Iraq war, many on the Left have restarted their efforts to rewrite history. But this revisionism isn’t new. In the midst of the 2004 Presidential election, the cries were just as loud. The Bush Administration is finally pushing back, and many conservative bloggers are asking their readers to Google Clinton, Iraq, 1998 for all the information they need. Last fall, The American Enterprise debunked many of these same urban legends.



Urban Legends About the Iraq War

Urban Legend: The Bush Administration in general, and the Vice President and his office in particular, pressured the Central Intelligence Agency to exaggerate evidence that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.
Reality: Here is the verdict of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence’s bipartisan Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq: “The Committee did not find any evidence that intelligence analysts changed their judgments as a result of political pressure, altered or produced intelligence products to conform with administration policy, or that anyone even attempted to coerce, influence, or pressure analysts to do so. When asked whether analysts were pressured in any way to alter their assessments or make their judgments conform with administration policies on Iraq’s WMD programs, not a single analyst answered ‘yes.’”

Urban Legend: The President and his administration intentionally misled the country into war with Iraq—and the “16 words” that appeared in the 2003 State of the Union are the best proof of it. In the words of Senator Ted Kennedy, “The gross abuse of intelligence was on full display in the President’s State of the Union…when he spoke the now infamous 16 words: ‘The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.’… As we all now know, that allegation was false….”
Reality: On July 14, 2004—after a nearly half-year investigation—a special panel reported to the British Parliament that British intelligence had indeed concluded that Saddam Hussein was seeking to buy uranium from Africa. The Review of Intelligence on Weapons of Mass Destruction, chaired by Lord Butler, summarized: “It is accepted by all parties that Iraqi officials visited Niger in 1999. The British government had intelligence from several different sources indicating that this visit was for the purpose of acquiring uranium…. The statement in President Bush’s State of the Union Address of 28 January 2003 that ‘The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa’ was well-founded.”

In the U.S., the Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq revealed that the CIA considered it important that the Nigerian officials admitted that the Iraqi delegation had traveled there in 1999, and that the Nigerian Prime Minister believed the Iraqis were interested in purchasing uranium, because this provided some confirmation of foreign government service reporting.” The Select Committee on Intelligence also noted that the CIA reviewed and cleared the President’s State of the Union address....

Urban Legend: Helping democracy take root in Iraq was a postwar rationalization by the Bush administration; it was an argument that was not made prior to going to war. In the words of a November 13, 2003 New York Times editorial, “The White House recently began shifting its case for the Iraq war from the embarrassing unconventional weapons issue to the lofty vision of creating an exemplary democracy in Iraq.”
Reality: The President argued the importance of democracy taking root in Iraq before the war began. A February 27, 2003 New York Times editorial shatters the very myth the paper was perpetrating just nine months later: “President Bush sketched an expansive vision last night [in an American Enterprise Institute speech] of what he expects to accomplish by a war in Iraq. Instead of focusing on eliminating weapons of mass destruction, or reducing the threat of terror to the United States, Mr. Bush talked about establishing a ‘free and peaceful Iraq’ that would serve as a ‘dramatic and inspiring example’ to the entire Arab and Muslim world, provide a stabilizing influence in the Middle East, and even help end the Arab-Israeli conflict. The idea of turning Iraq into a model democracy in the Arab world is one some members of the administration have been discussing for a long time.” President Bush’s 2002 State of the Union made the same case….

Urban Legend: Saddam Hussein posed no threat. In the words of former Senator Max Cleland, “Iraq was no threat. We now know that. There are no weapons of mass destruction, no nuclear weapons programs, no ties to al-Qaeda. We now know that.”
Reality: Upon his return from Iraq, weapons inspector David Kay, head of the Iraq Survey Group, said in Senate testimony: “I think the world is far safer with the disappearance and the removal of Saddam Hussein…. I actually think this may be one of those cases where it was even more dangerous than we thought…. After 1998, it became a regime that was totally corrupt…. And in a world where we know others are seeking WMD, the likelihood at some point in the future of a seller and a buyer meeting up would have made that a far more dangerous country.”
Dr. Kay’s report noted that, “We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002.” He concluded, “Saddam, at least as judged by those scientists and other insiders who worked in his military-industrial programs, had not given up his aspirations and intentions to continue to acquire weapons of mass destruction…. Saddam intended to resume these programs whenever the external restrictions were removed. Several of these officials acknowledge receiving inquiries since 2000 from Saddam or his sons about how long it would take to restart CW [chemical weapons] production.”

Urban Legend: There were no links between al-Qaeda and Iraq.
Reality: The 9/11 Commission Report indicates that a senior Iraqi intelligence officer met with Osama bin Laden in Sudan in late 1994 or early 1995 and that contacts continued after bin Laden relocated in Afghanistan. Iraq harbored senior members of a terrorist network led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, an al-Qaeda associate. CIA Director George Tenet told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (in a 10/7/02 letter), “We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade.” Senator Hillary Clinton stated on October 10, 2002 that Saddam “has given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members.” The Clinton administration tied Iraq to al-Qaeda back in 1998, arguing that Saddam Hussein had provided technical assistance in the construction of an al-Qaeda chemical plant in Sudan….

Urban Legend: President Bush and his administration wrongly tried to link Iraq and Saddam Hussein to the September 11 attacks. “President Bush should apologize to the American people” for this “plainly dishonest” effort, insists a New York Times editorial.
Reality: Neither President Bush nor any member of his foreign policy team has ever said Iraq was linked to the attacks of September 11. On September 17, 2003, for example, in response to a question from a reporter, President Bush said: “No, we’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September 11.”

Urban Legend: President Bush has shown an “arrogant disrespect” for the United Nations on Iraq, according to Senator Ted Kennedy.
Reality: The administration devoted enormous time and energy to pass five separate U.N. Security Council Resolutions on Iraq, each by unanimous vote.... President Bush personally addressed the U.N. General Assembly in September 2002. The administration supported the work of Lakhdar Brahimi, the U.N. special envoy in Iraq, and a continued U.N. role in Iraq’s political transition.

Urban Legend: The President launched a “unilateral attack on Iraq,” to use the words of former Vermont Governor Howard Dean.
Reality: The coalition that liberated Iraq ranks among the largest war coalitions ever assembled. President Bush in his 2004 State of the Union address: “Some critics have said our duties in Iraq must be internationalized. This particular criticism is hard to explain to our partners in Britain, Australia, Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Thailand, Italy, Spain, Poland, Denmark, Hungary, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Romania, the Netherlands, Norway, El Salvador, and the 17 other countries that have committed troops to Iraq…. There is a difference, however, between leading a coalition of many nations, and submitting to the objections of a few. America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country.”

Urban Legend: Flights out of the country for members of the bin Laden family were allowed before national airspace reopened on September 13, 2001; there was political intervention to facilitate the departure of the bin Laden family from America; and the FBI did not properly screen them before their departure.
Reality: Here are excerpts from The 9/11 Commission Report: “First, we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001. To the contrary, every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened.
Second, we found no evidence of political intervention. We found no evidence that anyone at the White House above the level of Richard Clarke participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals....
Third, we believe that the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of Saudi nationals who left the United States on charter flights.... The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures. They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion. Our own independent review of the Saudi nationals involved confirms that no one with known links to terrorism departed on these flights.”


Published in The Year the Democratic Party Sailed to New England October-November 2004


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antivictory; antiwarmovement; iraq; kayak; lyingliars; mediabias; oif; propaganda; smearcampaign; urbanlegend; whywefight; yourjobiniraq
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1 posted on 11/23/2005 7:08:26 AM PST by Valin
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Oh, I like!
Bookmarking.


2 posted on 11/23/2005 7:10:18 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Valin

Another BTTT Valin post


3 posted on 11/23/2005 7:11:45 AM PST by A message
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To: Valin

I'm saving this one for the next time my ultra-lib uncle sends me a diatribe about Bush destroying the world.


4 posted on 11/23/2005 7:12:03 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: Valin

Excellent - bookmark


5 posted on 11/23/2005 7:16:54 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Valin

duly noted and bookmarked.

I've been looking for that quote from David Kay. I remember watching his testimony twice, and I was sure he had said "it was worse than we thought" or something like that. I was close.

Noone seems to want to bring up his report when rebutting the Dems.


6 posted on 11/23/2005 7:19:27 AM PST by digger48
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To: Valin

nice summary- thanks


7 posted on 11/23/2005 7:21:09 AM PST by brothers4thID (Do you stand with us, or are you going to just stand in the way?)
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To: Valin

Saddam has harboring Al-Zarqarwi and Al-qaeda operatives and figthers before the war. If he was a man of peace he should have turned them over to us. We found enough uranium to build a couple of dirty bombs, 500 tons of enriched uranium that could have been used to build a nuke. And the British intel report of july 2004 reaffirms that Saddam was trying to get yellow cake from Niger. If these points were expressed to the American people on a daily basis the terrorists and their allies in the democrat party would be defeated.


8 posted on 11/23/2005 7:23:49 AM PST by jimfrommaine
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To: Valin

VERY GOOD SUMMARY! Bookmarking.

One thought that I had. Since Bin Laden saw the attack on our homeland as the start of WWIII, isn't it interesting that he had 19 Saudis conduct the operation? Perhaps in the chance that we would aim our aggression toward the homeland of the attackers, Saudi Arabia? Sound familiar? The Democrat battle cry? "Why aren't we battling the Saudis since the hijackers were Saudis?"


9 posted on 11/23/2005 7:28:10 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (11, 175, 77, 93 - In Memory Always)
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To: Valin

later read


10 posted on 11/23/2005 7:31:35 AM PST by listenhillary ("Mainstream media" is creating it's own reality~everything sucks)
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To: Valin; rmlew; Clemenza; PARodrig; Do not dub me shapka broham; nutmeg; firebrand; neverdem
None of this matters. Unfortunately most people still get their news from the alphabet soup networks. The relentless Goebbels propaganda machine will repeat the lies to the point that they will become truth. Until we take control of the MSM (rather than have alternatives that only we listen to) we will continue to have to fight tooth and nail to get the truth out.



11 posted on 11/23/2005 7:35:56 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Valin
Thank you for the great post!

Bookmarked

12 posted on 11/23/2005 7:46:34 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Valin

Got my Thanksgiving "talking points", thanks!


13 posted on 11/23/2005 7:53:05 AM PST by SquirrelKing (I'm not mean, you're just a sissy.)
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To: jimfrommaine
We found enough uranium to build a couple of dirty bombs, 500 tons of enriched uranium that could have been used to build a nuke.

No, I think we found 500 tons of uranium, 1.77 tons of which was enriched. Still, enough for me to say, "Hello, what do you mean we found no evidence of WMD??" (And where did the regime get that uranium, hm? Does Joe Wilson know?)

14 posted on 11/23/2005 7:56:03 AM PST by wizardoz
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To: wizardoz

Right. But this is hard evidence. Why in your opinion doesn't the administration shout this stuff every chance they get?


15 posted on 11/23/2005 7:58:40 AM PST by jimfrommaine
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To: Valin
Dr. Kay’s report noted that, “We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002.”

Bump.

16 posted on 11/23/2005 8:02:12 AM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood (left unchecked, Saddam Hussein...will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton)
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To: Valin

bump! thanks for posting...


17 posted on 11/23/2005 8:06:14 AM PST by tje
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To: Valin

Great stuff!


18 posted on 11/23/2005 8:07:49 AM PST by hawkaw
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To: hawkaw

Now, let me see, insurgents have used arms stockpiled by Sadaam to kill 2,000 Americans and a multitude of Iraqis. That does not constitute a WMD? And what about the 40,000 suicide bombers Iran keeps claiming to have? WMD?


19 posted on 11/23/2005 8:20:29 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Valin; Howlin; Peach; rodguy911
Complete Nuclear annihilation of the Hysteric Left's Iraq lies. WELL DONE The American Enterprise Online!!!!
20 posted on 11/23/2005 8:25:22 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("Bush lied and Oppression died.")
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To: Valin

GREAT!!!!

BTTTTT!


21 posted on 11/23/2005 8:30:52 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Vom Willemstad K-9
ping



22 posted on 11/23/2005 8:35:42 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: jimfrommaine
Right. But this is hard evidence. Why in your opinion doesn't the administration shout this stuff every chance they get?

I have no idea! Sometimes I wonder if they just think, "Well we're too busy doing the real job to bother refuting extremists." I like Dubya but I don't think he understands the PR situation very well.

23 posted on 11/23/2005 8:36:23 AM PST by wizardoz
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To: Valin

Excellent post, Valin. Copied and saved.


24 posted on 11/23/2005 8:38:46 AM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: wizardoz

Wizard or Jim,

Do either of you know whether the 1.77 tons of enriched uranium had been, in fact, declared previously by Saddam? Moonbats seem to think we knew in advance about the uranium, but I can't find independent confirming evidence about whether this was the case.

It certainly seems to me that if in fact the enriched uranium was NOT declared and unknown to us before the war, then it's game-over for the "there was no WMD" crowd.


25 posted on 11/23/2005 8:39:45 AM PST by djfox1
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To: wizardoz

I've said this before and I will continue to say that Scott McClellan is a HORRIBLE press secretary - he stands there looking like a sweaty porky pig and just comes off as way too defensive.

Mr. President, puh-LEEZE call up Ari, offer him whatever it will take to get him back, and I guarantee you will see polls start to move in your favor in very short order.


26 posted on 11/23/2005 8:43:03 AM PST by djfox1
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To: Valin

bookmark to refute the tired talking points of rudderless leftists.


27 posted on 11/23/2005 8:44:20 AM PST by IronJack
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To: MNJohnnie

Saved to my Iraq file.


28 posted on 11/23/2005 8:47:44 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: wizardoz
"I think we found 500 tons of uranium, 1.77 tons of which was enriched.
Can anyone provide a link to an article that documents this find? I've been searching and can seem to find it. Thanks.
29 posted on 11/23/2005 8:58:05 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: Valin
Hmmmm....very interesting. I'm sending this URL to my other comp so I can bookmark it. Better yet, I'll probably print it out for the next time I deal with liberals.
Thank you for putting this out.
30 posted on 11/23/2005 9:24:19 AM PST by lil_rebbitzen ("A Christian Gentleman is a patient wolf who will wait until the honeymoon." - Blurblogger)
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To: Valin
The President argued the importance of democracy taking root in Iraq before the war began.

Nevertheless, this is at best a secondary objective when viewed within the context of the Admisitration's overall foreign policy.
Bottom line: ANY form of stable government would be acceptable as long as the supply of oil to the global market is not disrupted.

31 posted on 11/23/2005 9:32:38 AM PST by Willie Green (God bless Jack Murtha.)
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To: Willie Green

"Nevertheless, this is at best a secondary objective when viewed within the context of the Admisitration's overall foreign policy. Bottom line: ANY form of stable government would be acceptable as long as the supply of oil to the global market is not disrupted."

My moonbat/bs detection meter just pegged....coincidence?

Friend, just as the liberals were wrong about the first Gulf war being "about oil," they are wrong again about Iraq being "about oil." If it were about oil, we'd have confiscated oil fields in Iraq and Kuwait by now. We'd have demanded the Iraqis pay for the war by providing us cheap or free oil. None of these things happened. The "no blood for oil" idiots can continue to scream this meme about a "war for oil" but facts will remain their enemy.


32 posted on 11/23/2005 10:01:00 AM PST by djfox1
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To: Willie Green; Valin
ANY form of stable government would be acceptable as long as the supply of oil to the global market is not disrupted.

Gee Willie. What was the role of Oil in 9-11-01? Such a pity you are so aggressive at spewing forth your 9-10-01 political dogma. Sorry Willie but the viability of your Neo-Isolationist political views died with the Twin Towers.

Th absurdity of this "War for Oil" propaganda lie is proven by Chavez and Venezuela. We get about 6 times as much oil from Venezuela as the Mid East. If the free flow of Oil governed policy we would of invaded Venezuela, not Iraq. But that is right, in the Pat Buchananites fever swamp reality doesn't exits until Pat tells his acolytes like Willie what it is.

33 posted on 11/23/2005 10:01:57 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("You cannot kill hope with bombs and bullets" Stg Clay Smith)
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To: jaydubya2; djfox1
I went and googled this as "1.77 tone uranium" but accidentally misspelled ton as tone. It came up with all kinds of hits.

From what I have looked at so far, this report came out around 6/23/04 and was reported by the BBC as well as a number of blog sites. Will continue to look for a good link to post.
34 posted on 11/23/2005 10:33:55 AM PST by A message
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To: jaydubya2; djfox1
I think this is the link we are looking for.

link to 1.77 ton enriched uranium

35 posted on 11/23/2005 10:45:08 AM PST by A message
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To: wizardoz
re: I like Dubya but I don't think he understands the PR situation very well.

I think it might be that he understands PR very well and realizes that voters have a very short attention span. It's still a year until the mid-term elections and in the political world that's an eternity. I suspect he knows the situation is improving in Iraq and by the time the elections roll around it will be very evident who was right and who was wrong in all of this.

Now, that having been said, let me hasten to add that I too am anxious for him to do a round of industrial strength of name taking and butt kicking.

I think he knows a lot more about the real situation in Iraq than any of his critics. Could be that he is looking forward to rubbing his critics noses in it when all is said and done.

The people who advise Dubya on PR and handle the details of his PR life seem to have been pretty good so far. I am (reluctantly) willing to wait and see!
36 posted on 11/23/2005 12:43:29 PM PST by jwpjr
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To: Valin

bookmark & bump


37 posted on 11/23/2005 12:57:22 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: Valin

bump to bookmark


38 posted on 11/23/2005 12:59:42 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: djfox1
My moonbat/bs detection meter just pegged....coincidence?

No coincidence... it is accurately indicating that you're full of it.

Friend, just as the liberals were wrong about the first Gulf war being "about oil," they are wrong again about Iraq being "about oil."

Oil is the only strategic interest that we have in the Gulf region.
If it wasn't for oil, we'd ignore the feuding Islamic tribes just like we ignore the Hutu and Tutsis.

39 posted on 11/23/2005 1:04:58 PM PST by Willie Green (God bless Jack Murtha.)
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To: Cacique

You are right sir. It's nice to know there are people who think like I do (Free Republic helps me keep my sanity) but until an MSM network turns away from the Dark Side, we won't get through to enough of the country.


40 posted on 11/23/2005 1:09:58 PM PST by hudsonohio
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To: jwpjr
I think he knows a lot more about the real situation in Iraq than any of his critics. Could be that he is looking forward to rubbing his critics noses in it when all is said and done.

That's true. And I understand. But I wish they'd never backed off an inch and never let this "well, maybe we didn't have the greatest intelligence about WMDs" message come out. I guess from their point of view it only shows how incompetent their enemies over in the CIA are, but to the average DUmmie, it's an admission that "we made a mistake," which we did NOT.

41 posted on 11/23/2005 2:46:20 PM PST by wizardoz
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To: Valin
Here are a few more:

Urban Legend: The United States Armed Saddam Hussein and Iraq.
Reality: 1968, July 17. A group of Ba'athists and military elements overthrow the Arif regime. Ahmad Hasan al-Bakr re-emerges as the President of Iraq and Chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council (RCC). Ba'ath party seeks U.S. help in re-arming Iraqi military but is turned down.

In 1972, Saddam (Chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council, Deputy to the President, and Deputy Secretary General of the Regional Command of the Ba'ath, then knowing that the Soviet Union will re-equip the Iraqi Army, travels to Moscow. Iraq and the Soviet Union sign a treaty of “Friendship and Cooperation.” Another reason Saddam signs the treaty is because it obligated the local communist party, which is very strong, to co-operate with the Ba'ath Party, which is not so strong at that time.

At the time of Operation Desert Storm, 80% of Iraq military equipment was of Soviet manufacture. The bulk of the remainder is manufactured in France.

Urban Legend:The United States "Gave" chemical weapons to Saddam.
Reality: On November 25, 1969 Nixon renounced U.S. use of chemical weapons and promulgated the first international bans on chemical weapons.

In 1971 Iraq begins chemical warfare research at Rashad to the north east of Baghdad. Research is conducted on a number of chemical agents including Mustard gas, CS (tear gas) and Tabun. Iraq starts biological warfare research in the mid-1970s. After small-scale research, a purpose-built research and development facility was authorized at al-Salman, also known as Salman Pak. This is an indigenous program assisted by the Soviet union. A chemical weapons programs requires no more than a group of competent chemists and the money to operate.

Urban Legend: The united States gave Saddam his biological weapons.
Reality: Saddam received no help from the United States to develope Biological weapons. In the 80's the Iraqi government made two purchases of seed germs from the American Type Culture Institute which provides them for legitimate medical research. The cultures were ordered by the University of Bahgdad, but later used for their bio-weapons program which was developed with the help of the Soviets. When it was confirmed during the course of the Iran/Iraq war that Iraq was engaged in the development and use of chemical and biological weapons, their access to the Type Culture Institute was cut off, as was access by several other contries.

Urban Legend: The United States enabled Iraqi nuclear programs>
Reality: In 1959 Iraq's nuclear program was established under the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission. Under a nuclear co-operation agreement signed with the Soviet Union in 1959, a nuclear research center, equipped with a research reactor, was built at Tuwaitha, the main Iraqi nuclear research center. In 1981, a French built nuclear reactor was destroyed by the Isrealis before going online. The United States played no part in Iraq obtaining nuclear capability.

Bio-Chemical Weapons & Saddam: A History.

42 posted on 11/23/2005 4:30:08 PM PST by PsyOp (Men easily believe what they want to. Caesar, De Bello Gallico, III, 18.)
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To: PsyOp

BUT BUT...Don Rumsfeld shook Saddams hand and was smiling!
Doesn't that mean we were allies?

(I've actully had someone say that to me.)


43 posted on 11/23/2005 8:16:06 PM PST by Valin (Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum)
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To: Valin

bump


44 posted on 11/26/2005 3:42:35 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Willie Green
"No coincidence... it is accurately indicating that you're full of it."

Well that's interesting since the needle didn't move until I happened upon your bit of moonbattitude....so it ain't me, bud, it be you.

Oil is the only strategic interest that we have in the Gulf region.

BS. A stable middle east is a strategic interest for us - democracy in the middle east is also of great strategic interest for us in that demcracies tend to not to harbor or support terrorism.

If it wasn't for oil, we'd ignore the feuding Islamic tribes just like we ignore the Hutu and Tutsis.

Who was president in 1994 again? Sounds like a case could be made for incompetence for not intervening.

45 posted on 11/30/2005 7:11:42 AM PST by djfox1
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To: djfox1
BS. A stable middle east is a strategic interest for us - democracy in the middle east is also of great strategic interest for us in that demcracies tend to not to harbor or support terrorism.

Question: why should it be of any more importance to us than the conflict between the Hutu and Tutsi???

Answer: Oil.

46 posted on 11/30/2005 7:28:46 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green

"Question: why should it be of any more importance to us than the conflict between the Hutu and Tutsi??? Answer: Oil."

Why did you simply ignore the fact that I pointed out to you who was president during the Rwanda massacre? Why did you just assume that I and the rest of America wouldn't have supported full-blown military action in Rwanda to stop the killing (as I did, in fact, at the time) if we'd had a competent commander in chief? Why do you ignore the fact that Slick Willie, your namesake, is on record for apologizing for NOT going into Rwanda? Why are ignoring the fact that we did go into oil-less Kosovo to stop similar massacres? Answer: You're a moonbat.

You've been owned. Back in your closet, troll.


47 posted on 11/30/2005 10:49:59 AM PST by djfox1
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To: Valin

bump


48 posted on 11/30/2005 10:51:39 AM PST by VOA
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To: djfox1
Why did you simply ignore the fact that I pointed out to you who was president during the Rwanda massacre? Why did you just assume that I and the rest of America wouldn't have supported full-blown military action in Rwanda to stop the killing (as I did, in fact, at the time) if we'd had a competent commander in chief?

Well when you take a position such as that,
I see no reason to comment further.
As far as I'm concerned, you've sufficiently displayed that you're a interventionist boob,
and there's nothing that I can add to it.

49 posted on 11/30/2005 11:12:13 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Valin

These are more like Turban legends.


50 posted on 11/30/2005 11:16:57 AM PST by CJ Wolf (BTW can someone add 'zot' to the FR spellchecker?)
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