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Urban Legends About the Iraq War
The American Enterprise Online ^ | 11/16/05

Posted on 11/23/2005 7:08:24 AM PST by Valin

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To: jwpjr
I think he knows a lot more about the real situation in Iraq than any of his critics. Could be that he is looking forward to rubbing his critics noses in it when all is said and done.

That's true. And I understand. But I wish they'd never backed off an inch and never let this "well, maybe we didn't have the greatest intelligence about WMDs" message come out. I guess from their point of view it only shows how incompetent their enemies over in the CIA are, but to the average DUmmie, it's an admission that "we made a mistake," which we did NOT.

41 posted on 11/23/2005 2:46:20 PM PST by wizardoz
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To: Valin
Here are a few more:

Urban Legend: The United States Armed Saddam Hussein and Iraq.
Reality: 1968, July 17. A group of Ba'athists and military elements overthrow the Arif regime. Ahmad Hasan al-Bakr re-emerges as the President of Iraq and Chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council (RCC). Ba'ath party seeks U.S. help in re-arming Iraqi military but is turned down.

In 1972, Saddam (Chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council, Deputy to the President, and Deputy Secretary General of the Regional Command of the Ba'ath, then knowing that the Soviet Union will re-equip the Iraqi Army, travels to Moscow. Iraq and the Soviet Union sign a treaty of “Friendship and Cooperation.” Another reason Saddam signs the treaty is because it obligated the local communist party, which is very strong, to co-operate with the Ba'ath Party, which is not so strong at that time.

At the time of Operation Desert Storm, 80% of Iraq military equipment was of Soviet manufacture. The bulk of the remainder is manufactured in France.

Urban Legend:The United States "Gave" chemical weapons to Saddam.
Reality: On November 25, 1969 Nixon renounced U.S. use of chemical weapons and promulgated the first international bans on chemical weapons.

In 1971 Iraq begins chemical warfare research at Rashad to the north east of Baghdad. Research is conducted on a number of chemical agents including Mustard gas, CS (tear gas) and Tabun. Iraq starts biological warfare research in the mid-1970s. After small-scale research, a purpose-built research and development facility was authorized at al-Salman, also known as Salman Pak. This is an indigenous program assisted by the Soviet union. A chemical weapons programs requires no more than a group of competent chemists and the money to operate.

Urban Legend: The united States gave Saddam his biological weapons.
Reality: Saddam received no help from the United States to develope Biological weapons. In the 80's the Iraqi government made two purchases of seed germs from the American Type Culture Institute which provides them for legitimate medical research. The cultures were ordered by the University of Bahgdad, but later used for their bio-weapons program which was developed with the help of the Soviets. When it was confirmed during the course of the Iran/Iraq war that Iraq was engaged in the development and use of chemical and biological weapons, their access to the Type Culture Institute was cut off, as was access by several other contries.

Urban Legend: The United States enabled Iraqi nuclear programs>
Reality: In 1959 Iraq's nuclear program was established under the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission. Under a nuclear co-operation agreement signed with the Soviet Union in 1959, a nuclear research center, equipped with a research reactor, was built at Tuwaitha, the main Iraqi nuclear research center. In 1981, a French built nuclear reactor was destroyed by the Isrealis before going online. The United States played no part in Iraq obtaining nuclear capability.

Bio-Chemical Weapons & Saddam: A History.

42 posted on 11/23/2005 4:30:08 PM PST by PsyOp (Men easily believe what they want to. – Caesar, De Bello Gallico, III, 18.)
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To: PsyOp

BUT BUT...Don Rumsfeld shook Saddams hand and was smiling!
Doesn't that mean we were allies?

(I've actully had someone say that to me.)


43 posted on 11/23/2005 8:16:06 PM PST by Valin (Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum)
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To: Valin

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44 posted on 11/26/2005 3:42:35 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Willie Green
"No coincidence... it is accurately indicating that you're full of it."

Well that's interesting since the needle didn't move until I happened upon your bit of moonbattitude....so it ain't me, bud, it be you.

Oil is the only strategic interest that we have in the Gulf region.

BS. A stable middle east is a strategic interest for us - democracy in the middle east is also of great strategic interest for us in that demcracies tend to not to harbor or support terrorism.

If it wasn't for oil, we'd ignore the feuding Islamic tribes just like we ignore the Hutu and Tutsis.

Who was president in 1994 again? Sounds like a case could be made for incompetence for not intervening.

45 posted on 11/30/2005 7:11:42 AM PST by djfox1
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To: djfox1
BS. A stable middle east is a strategic interest for us - democracy in the middle east is also of great strategic interest for us in that demcracies tend to not to harbor or support terrorism.

Question: why should it be of any more importance to us than the conflict between the Hutu and Tutsi???

Answer: Oil.

46 posted on 11/30/2005 7:28:46 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green

"Question: why should it be of any more importance to us than the conflict between the Hutu and Tutsi??? Answer: Oil."

Why did you simply ignore the fact that I pointed out to you who was president during the Rwanda massacre? Why did you just assume that I and the rest of America wouldn't have supported full-blown military action in Rwanda to stop the killing (as I did, in fact, at the time) if we'd had a competent commander in chief? Why do you ignore the fact that Slick Willie, your namesake, is on record for apologizing for NOT going into Rwanda? Why are ignoring the fact that we did go into oil-less Kosovo to stop similar massacres? Answer: You're a moonbat.

You've been owned. Back in your closet, troll.


47 posted on 11/30/2005 10:49:59 AM PST by djfox1
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To: Valin

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48 posted on 11/30/2005 10:51:39 AM PST by VOA
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To: djfox1
Why did you simply ignore the fact that I pointed out to you who was president during the Rwanda massacre? Why did you just assume that I and the rest of America wouldn't have supported full-blown military action in Rwanda to stop the killing (as I did, in fact, at the time) if we'd had a competent commander in chief?

Well when you take a position such as that,
I see no reason to comment further.
As far as I'm concerned, you've sufficiently displayed that you're a interventionist boob,
and there's nothing that I can add to it.

49 posted on 11/30/2005 11:12:13 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Valin

These are more like Turban legends.


50 posted on 11/30/2005 11:16:57 AM PST by CJ Wolf (BTW can someone add 'zot' to the FR spellchecker?)
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To: djfox1
"Why are ignoring the fact that we did go into oil-less Kosovo to stop similar massacres?"

The war in Kosovo was about oil.

51 posted on 11/30/2005 11:18:33 AM PST by CJ Wolf (BTW can someone add 'zot' to the FR spellchecker?)
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To: wizardoz

Can anyone tell me how much enriched uranium is needed to produce fission bombs? How many kilotons of boom could Saddam get out of 1.77 tons of enriched uranium?


52 posted on 11/30/2005 12:57:00 PM PST by Flying Circus
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To: RandallFlagg

Definitely bookmarked.


53 posted on 11/30/2005 12:58:51 PM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: CJ Wolf

"The war in Kosovo was about oil."

Bwaaaaahaaaaaaa......good one!


54 posted on 12/01/2005 6:39:32 AM PST by djfox1
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To: Willie Green
Well when you take a position such as that, I see no reason to comment further.

Translation - you realize you've been owned and you're too intellctually bankrupt to come up with an intelligent response. Don't feel bad, slick - you're not the first, and you won't be the last.

55 posted on 12/01/2005 6:41:44 AM PST by djfox1
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To: djfox1
Translation - you realize you've been owned and you're too intellctually bankrupt to come up with an intelligent response.

Ooooooooo....

I've been "OWNED".....
and I'm "intellctually bankrupt" too???

I don't know how I can live with the shame -- it's making me die of laughter!!!

56 posted on 12/01/2005 6:53:51 AM PST by Willie Green (Hit the pike, pinhead. Your horsecrap is boring.)
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To: Valin

We got into a discussion at Thanksgiving with our twentysomething #1 son and one of his friends. They've heard nothing but the leftist view since the beginning, unless they've been at our house. They were talking about "Bush Lied", and I simply told them not to listen to what someone SAID about what the President said, but to go back and READ HIS WORDS!


57 posted on 12/01/2005 7:19:34 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Willie Green
I've been "OWNED"..... and I'm "intellctually bankrupt" too???

Yes.

58 posted on 12/01/2005 7:56:24 AM PST by djfox1
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To: Valin

The thrust of this article is misleading and flat out wrong.

There are no urban legands related to the war in Iraq.

What has been mistaken for urban legend is outright antiwar propaganda. If you tell a lie often enough and loud enough it achieves believeability.

The enemy is within. The enemy is the DNC.



59 posted on 12/01/2005 8:00:31 AM PST by bert (K.E. ; N.P . Peta girls end up as spinsters)
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To: Valin

bookmark


60 posted on 12/01/2005 8:53:42 AM PST by Liberty Valance ("Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others." - oh, and Merry Christmas!)
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