Posted on 11/24/2005 6:32:38 AM PST by tutstar
The Southern Baptist Convention's International Mission Board has adopted a new policy that forbids missionary candidates from speaking in tongues.
The policy, adopted Nov. 15 during the board's trustee meeting in Huntsville, Ala., reflects ongoing Southern Baptist opposition to charismatic or Pentecostal practices.
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No, but they all evidenced an experience of the Holy Ghost. Some spoke in tongues, some prophecied. It was not an isolated incident, but instead, was an expected result of their conversions.
I graduated from a "charismatic" Bible College. Though many spoke in "tongues", I often had the impression that some were seeking to show their religiosity. But, there was a consistant result to the moving of God's Spirit, "like a mighty wind". I never spoke in tongues, nor prophecied, but have enough of Him indwelling, to confirm their link with Him...
Nobody can deny the Spirit. There is one sin, for which their is no redemption. That sin is "blasphemy"! IMHO, denial of His Spiritual gifts is coming close!
Matthew 12:31 - Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Blasphemy, in religion, words or actions that display irreverence toward or contempt for God or that which is held sacred. Blasphemy is regarded as an offense against the community to varying degrees, depending on the extent of the identification of a religion with the society at large or the government. Sedition, an attack on the sovereign, is thus analogous; both it and blasphemy can be seen as subversive of order and authority. Heresy, on the other hand, is a matter of competing claims for doctrinal correctness; the dominant (orthodox) faction, however, often defines the heretic as blasphemous.
Blasphemy has been a crime in many religions and cultures, wherever there is something sacred to protect. Socrates was prosecuted for blasphemy, and Mosaic law prescribed death for cursing the name of God. Jesus was tried for blasphemy, while Christians regarded the action of the Jews in trying him as itself blasphemous.
Secular modern states often retain blasphemy laws, but they are infrequently enforced. In the United States, state blasphemy laws remain on the books, but the Supreme Court's expansive interpretation of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution makes it likely that any blasphemy prosecution would now be regarded as an impermissible establishment of religion. In countries governed under Islamic law, the concept of blasphemy is broad, embracing many kinds of disrespect or denial of religion; the condemnation (1988) of the author Salman Rushdie by Iranian clerics is a recent example of theocratic action.
And, that he makes it clear that not all have all these gifts, and that means not all spoke in tongues back then.
This will be my last response to you. I can only suggest you go back and click on the links I provided, you obviously aren't responding to anything in depth, only that which you experience or think you experience, not from the Bible.
When I deny a genuine spiritual gift, I'll let you know. :)
But denying that modern tongues is Biblical, that is Biblical. For today's modern tongues is not Biblical in any manner, way, shape, or form.
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Good post.
Did God tell you that tongues today are not genuine? No? Didn't think so.
that means they are nonsense, and no one is getting edified by the repitition of meaningless sounds and swaying back and forth and phony miracles and chanting and phony gold dust and phony laughing revival and the false idea that the US is in revival of some kind.
There is no logic here. Perhaps what you have seen is imitations or wrongly used, but just because you haven't seen the results of proper teaching and applicaion does not mean that it doesn't exist.
Sorry to roll that all into one heap, but all those things are errors that the modern Charismatic movement is involved in, not just the false spiritual gifts thing.
And I'm not going to disagree with you on that. There is a great deal of erroneous teaching regarding this whole area. There were similar problems back when Paul wrote his letter to the Corinthians.
Peter and Paul's (as well as other disciples) doctrine resulted in signs miracles and wonders amongst those who heard and believed. Peter's shadow cured people! Back then the Christian believers manifested the power of God's holy spirit.
Today's Christian church is relatively impotent.
Why?
Partially due to improper doctrine and heaping amounts of disbelief.
Our exchange in an example of that.
I exhort and encourage people to read the New Testament, believe it and apply it while you are telling me and others that it is wrong to do so.
I've known thousands of people who spoke in tongues, interpreted, prophesied, had word of knowledge, word of wisdom discerning of spirits, faith, miracles and healing...thousands who believed what the Bible said.
Those who believe do it; those who do not believe do not.
If you are not doing, check what you are believing.
Geeze...why should I read and believe those writings instead of reading and believing the Bible?
That is your biggest problem right now, you are giving more credence to man's word than God's word.You have argued against the Bible using man's words.
And you have had that pointed out to you, so now you have no excuse for disbelief.
You completely misrepresent the purpose of tongues. The general idea is to allow the Spirit to speak through you - where you personally do not have the understanding to say what needs to be said. When this occurs in a church environment - it needs to be interpreted as to be edified, lest it just be a bunch of random noise. It is indeed a rare occurrence - and I suppose it could be staged by individuals - just as "miracles" can be.
The other purpose, for which I believe tongues are completely appropriate, are for personal communication with God - where we may not know the words to pray, and the Spirit in us helps us in this way. As an example, let's presume you were not feeling well - it could be anything - what do you pray for? Healing? For what though? If you consult with the Spirit (who as an aspect of God knows all), he provides you the words to affect a useful prayer - may even get you cured of an unknown cancer, for all you'd know.
Regardless of whether you believe it to be for you or your denomination - the attribution of such to Demonic Powers and paganism is really being judgmental about something you may not understand as fully as you claim to. Recall something maybe your mother once told you - if you have nothing nice to say - say nothing at all. I agree with the SBC position in that it is their denomination to do with what they choose - as the Catholics do, as AOG does, as they all do. If they lose some members over this - that's their dilemma. I don't support any particular "denomination" as I believe men are incapable of establishing a church that 100% pleases God.
Got that? God doesn't want you to be ignorant (unlearned, untaught) about spiritual matters (gr: pneumatikos- matters of the spirit).
1Cr 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
But if after all this you choose your commentaries and church writings over the Bible, so be it.
Paul traveled the roads, persecuting the new Christians. God smote him off his horse, and left him blinded, temporarily.
Paul was already a devout God-fearing man. He had just not had any experience with a living Spirit. Methinks you may be a lot like Paul...
Better not head to Damascus!
I keep watching how you misuse scripture to support your ideas. I begin to think you are deliberately dishonest.
I might not buy the whole package that tongues are "ceased" (again, I lean toward that view, but am not solid), but the sentence above needs to be stated in all caps with flashing HTML code.
One of the most disturbing things about some movements today is the insistence that we are actually now in the midst of revival. That is simply the silliest thing I have ever heard of, and only someone hopelessly bereft of any knowledge of what real revival looks like would say such a thing.
Don't make this tough.
There are two forms of unbelief. One is from not hearing or not hearing enough of the correct doctrine, the other is rejection of what one has heard.
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved
If you have never heard this in any way shape or form then you cannot possibly believe it.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
But if you do believe it then you 'shalt be saved'.
And if you've never heard about speaking in tongues or prophesy as a part of God's will:
1Cr 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
You will never know about it. If you don't know about it, how can you believe it?
Act 19:1-9 Talks about Paul following Apollos through Ephesis. Apollos taught what he knew and that was the equivalent of Romans 10:9,10. He didn't teach about the baptism of holy spirit. Paul found out about that and took those saved souls a step further.
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Clearly there are those who have never heard enough to get saved. They do not believe and they are not saved. Their unbelief is from not having heard.
Clearly there are those who have have heard and still do not believe. They are still unsaved and their unbelief is a matter of their free will decision to reject Christ.
There are those who have heard, and have believed enough to be saved. But if they have not heard about matters of the spirit, how will they know about them? Clearly they are saved but do not have further belief because they are ignorant.
And there are those who are saved and who have had the opportunity to hear more of God's word. Clearly they can only believe what they are exposed to. And then it is a matter of choice on their part. If they are taught about walking in the spirit instead of in the flesh and they reject those teachings, then they do not believe God's word at that point.
How many people say that they believe in salvation by grace not of works, but still work for salvations? They clearly do not truly believe that savation is a free gift and are trying to earn it.
Pretty amazing claim considering that it is all in context and on subject.
But your trick is as old as its originator, Satan himself; if you can't refute the message then discredit the messanger.
Doubtless posts like that will help him throw off the shackles of benighted thought! Maybe you should call him a vile execrable pathetic denizen of hell who vomits unspiritual filth in your next attempt to win him over. That always works for me when I "ask the Holy Spirit to change [your] heart" I just insult the person and then pray for them...... Works really great with unbelievers too. Call em godless filth who deserve the eternal damnation of God in a flaming pit of hell, and tell them how much I am looking forward to watching them burn. Then I pray that God will change their hearts. It doesn't attract alot of numbers, but the converts I have are REAL converts, and not those emotionally sappy kind.
These thread are a riot sometimes.
As a graduate from a Southern Baptist Seminary, I agree. Tongues is a completely secondary issue, and cessasionalism is open to debate. I do not speak in tongues. I don't believe that it is a very widespread practice in any biblical form. Yet, I know it occurred in the New Testament for specific reasons, and I'm not willing to limit God in saying that he couldn't use the gift of tongues in some capacity today. The Bible says tongues will cease. It does not say when. When we step beyond what the Bible says, we have overreached and are becoming more Catholic in practice than Baptist.
If might help if they really were multilingual ...
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