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Liberals threaten to sue Tories over 'crime' smear (Canada)
The Ottawa Citizen ^ | Friday, November 25, 2005 | Anne Dawson

Posted on 11/25/2005 12:13:24 PM PST by fanfan

The Liberals threatened to sue the Conservatives yesterday after Tory leader Stephen Harper accused the Liberal party of "breaking every conceivable law in the province of Quebec with the help of organized crime."

Mr. Harper made the accusation during debate on the Conservative motion to topple the Liberals by a vote that is to take place Monday evening.

Within hours, Prime Minister Paul Martin's director of communications, Scott Reid, fired off an e-mail to reporters to fight back.

"We are collecting all transcripts of what was said by Mr. (Peter) MacKay, Mr. (John) Reynolds and the rest of the Harper truth squad. If they have repeated outside of the chamber Mr. Harper's false smears, we will take every action necessary to force them to retract and tell the truth," said Mr. Reid.

Mr. Reid noted Justice John Gomery's report on the $250-million sponsorship scandal exonerated the prime minister and his cabinet in his findings.

With just three days left until the Conservatives, NDP and Bloc Quebecois officially pull the plug on the minority Liberal government to send Canadians to the polls likely on Jan. 16 or 23, tempers are hot and mudslinging is the order of the day. It signals the beginning of what is expected to be a long -- possibly 56 days -- and ugly campaign.

Although MPs have protection from legal action for anything they say inside the House of Commons, they are potentially vulnerable if they repeat something libellous outside the chamber.

Conservative campaign boss John Reynolds and Tory MP Monte Solberg, speaking outside the chamber, defended Mr. Harper's harsh-hitting assessment of Liberal involvement in the sponsorship scandal.

"He did not clear the Liberal party of being involved in organized crime," said Mr. Reynolds, referring to Judge Gomery's report.

When specifically asked if Mr. Harper was suggesting the Liberal party is involved in organized crime, Mr. Reynolds responded:

"As Mr. Harper said -- if you're a Liberal, you're a Liberal."

Mr. Solberg said Mr. Harper was referring to the Gomery report "and those aspects that dealt with laundering money."

"It was clear in the Gomery report that there was suggestions that some of this money was laundered through organizations who are regarded as organized crime."

Although Judge Gomery's report spoke about a kickback scheme using taxpayers' money that was funnelled to the Liberal party, it exonerated Mr. Martin. The Liberals say there was no mention of organized crime in the 686-page report.

In another dust-up, Mr. Reynolds called Immigration Minister Joe Volpe a "sleaze bag" outside the Commons after Mr. Volpe attempted to embarrass Conservative MPs in question period when he rhymed off some of their hefty travel expenses in the House.

"I think the Liberals will all be very nasty (in the upcoming campaign)," said Mr. Reynolds. "You saw what they were doing in the House today. Mr. Volpe is a sleaze bag and ... put that across very well in the House of Commons today. I would imagine that's the kind of campaign he will want to run in Ontario. We'll fight back very hard."

Mr. Volpe wasted no time firing back at Mr. Reynolds, pointing to his $138,000 travel tab as proof he is a high flyer who enjoys the fine life on the taxpayers' dime.

"The mudslinger just finally got some of it on his own and didn't like it. He spent $138,000 last year travelling. What does he do -- travel by luxury jet everywhere, drink champagne, slug down a little bit of caviar?"

According to the official public accounts record of MP expenses, Mr. Reynolds spent $180,514 on travel last year and Mr. Volpe spent $56,235.

The Tories immediately issued a press release noting that on top of Mr. Volpe's travel tab, he charged another $49,015 to his department for ministerial travel, including an expensive dinner of pizza and wine.

"Oh -- methinks they protest too much -- poor dear little delicate little children," quipped Mr. Volpe.

Meanwhile, the Liberals yesterday announced initiatives totalling $2.7 billion. That's on top of the approximately $16 billion announced in recent days and does not include the cash to be doled out today to fight native poverty.

Privately, some Liberal MPs have told CanWest News they are "embarrassed" by the slew of last-minute frantic spending initiatives and fear this could undermine Mr. Martin's reputation as a sound fiscal conservative. Mr. Martin has already said he intends to run on his economic record -- how he turned a $42-billion deficit into a surplus for eight years running -- the best record of the G7 countries.

Liberal MP John McKay, parliamentary secretary to Finance Minister Ralph Goodale, rejects any suggestion that his government is spending irresponsibly and says all the spending initiatives except two -- money to fight native poverty and cash for farmers -- were accounted for in last year's budget and the recent fall mini-budget.

"I know people are trying to spin that story that we are spending like drunken sailors, but all this is accounted for," said Mr. McKay.


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
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When specifically asked if Mr. Harper was suggesting the Liberal party is involved in organized crime, Mr. Reynolds responded:

"As Mr. Harper said -- if you're a Liberal, you're a Liberal."

ROFLOL!

1 posted on 11/25/2005 12:13:26 PM PST by fanfan
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To: GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; coteblanche; ...

Canada Ping!

Please FReepmail me to get on or off this Canada ping list.


2 posted on 11/25/2005 12:14:27 PM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan
"As Mr. Harper said -- if you're a Liberal, you're a Liberal."

In context, it's weasel-wording and it will only hurt the Tories if they hide behind legislative immunity. If they aren't ready to prove an organized crime connection, they shouldn't have brought it up. And no, "[Gomery] did not clear the Liberal party of being involved in organized crime" isn't proof.

I've been wondering how the Tories would blow it -- I really thought this time the situation was beyond even their extraordinary talent. But apparently not.

3 posted on 11/25/2005 12:28:11 PM PST by Grut
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To: fanfan

I like that one too.

Those Libranos are slippery devils.


4 posted on 11/25/2005 12:38:15 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: fanfan

The Canadian liberals ARE organized crime, expect some Tories to get offers they can't refuse soon, if they have not already.. Threats against their familys could explain Canadian Tory behavior.. Unless Torys are just cross dressed liberals begging for a piece of the corrupt pie.. like pigs..


5 posted on 11/25/2005 12:38:40 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Grut
Yes, I am concerned with the wording too. Although educated people could see the wording simply as a use of hyperbole, the media could have a field day with the sheeple who cast the votes.

With that said the worse thing the CPC could do is get on the defensive. Forget about it and move on.
6 posted on 11/25/2005 12:40:34 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: hosepipe
Some will call me crazy saying this but I believe NOTHING is beyond the pale for the Libranos. Not even murder or intimidation. If they could find a way to do it and keep their hands clean they would. Once you go down that Machiavellian road there is no turning back. Sadly I don't know if that would phase the electorate.
7 posted on 11/25/2005 12:42:26 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Grut

What the LIberals did was against the law - criminal - and they did appear to be organized.

That looks like organized crime to this Canucklehead.


8 posted on 11/25/2005 12:53:15 PM PST by headsonpikes (The Liberal Party of Canada are not b*stards - b*stards have mothers!)
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To: Sam Gamgee; Alamo-Girl

[ Some will call me crazy saying this but I believe NOTHING is beyond the pale for the Libranos. Not even murder or intimidation. ]

If the Clintons could and would do THIS:
http://www.alamo-girl.com

What makes you think other leftists would not and am not doing it do.. If you think the mafia/left is not fully in control of leftist parties in ALL countrys you've just bounced off the turnip truck and hurt something..



9 posted on 11/25/2005 12:54:03 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: fanfan
"...Tory leader Stephen Harper accused the Liberal party of "breaking every conceivable law in the province of Quebec with the help of organized crime."

To be fair, I don't think the Liberals were ever accused of letting dogs run free in a leash-only park. Nor have they been accused of watering their lawns on off-days (although I'm personally suspicious about that one).
10 posted on 11/25/2005 1:08:08 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA (")
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

LOL.


11 posted on 11/25/2005 1:10:06 PM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Grut
How's this:

LIBERAL LOOPHOLE UNDERMINES ORGANIZED CRIME BILL - 15 November 2005

Organized crime grew under Grits

Liberals introduce wiretap bill
(only 3 years late according to even the Martinite Globe!)

Better?
12 posted on 11/25/2005 1:10:17 PM PST by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: headsonpikes
Note: whatever one may think of him otherwise, Deputy CPC Leader Peter McKay is a former Crown Prosecutor.

Are the federal Liberals a 'gang'?
If the shoe fits ...

Written by Link Byfield
Monday, 11 April 2005


Gilles Duceppe, leader of the Bloc Quebecois, charged last Tuesday that a "parallel" group operated at the highest levels inside the Liberal party during the years of the sponsorship scandal (1997 to 2001).

On Thursday, Conservative Peter McKay called it a "criminal conspiracy."

Paul Martin replied to Duceppe, "If there is an isolated group who did wrong, it will be punished. No one in this country is above the law."

It would be nice to think so.

We should divide the cast of characters in the sponsorship drama into "Higher-ups" (ministers, ex-ministers and mandarins) and "Lower-downs" (mid-level bureaucrats and ad agency executives).

It is now beyond dispute that Liberal government Higher-ups "broke every rule in the book" (to quote our auditor general).

For example, they suspended the standard anti-fraud policy which requires that payments for services not be approved by the same person who ordered the services.

The program operated for four years before the government reported its existence to Parliament, and then only after the scandal broke.

Almost no records were kept of sponsorship spending details. Large fees and commissions totalling $100 million were paid for services of little or no value. Detailed contract awards were made by ministers and political staff. The normal civil service line-of-command was routinely by-passed. No written goals for the sponsorship program were ever written, and no value-for-money audits ever performed.

(For a well-documented survey of the Chretien government's many, many scandals, read the book by Paul Tuns, "Jean Chretien, Legacy of Scandal," available from www.freedompress.ca.)

However, even though various Higher-ups did all of the above, none of it is necessarily criminal. Breaking government guidelines does not amount to breaking the Criminal Code.

Three of the "Lower-downs"--one bureaucrat and two ad execs--were criminally charged last year with multiple counts of fraud and conspiracy.

It is very difficult to prove criminal fraud. Nonetheless, the police think they can convict three of the Lower-downs. The first trial, that of ad agency executive Jean Brault, is set to begin in June.

You need so many details to prove a fraud charge, however, I doubt the police could ever get the Higher-ups with anything like that.

Fortunately, they don't need to.

Section 467 of the Criminal Code says that any three or more people who cooperate to break the law constitute a "criminal organization." It's called the "gang law."

They don't need a group name. They don't even need to know each other. They just need to be working a system together which has as one of its objects commission of crime.

Anyone who knowingly allows or helps a "criminal organization" to commit a crime commits a crime himself, punishable by five years' prison (section 467.11[1]).

The Code states that the Crown need not prove that the accused knew of the specific nature of the crime or who did it.

If any Lower-downs are convicted of fraud, then charging some of the Higher-ups under this new section of the Criminal Code should be like shooting fish in a barrel. All that matters is that they knew what was going on, and (by act or omission) allowed it to proceed.

Keep section 467 in mind as more sordid testimony spills out at the Gomery inquiry.

Attorney-general Irwin Cotler may soon face a hard choice between loyalty to his friends and loyalty to his oath of office.
13 posted on 11/25/2005 1:31:51 PM PST by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: headsonpikes
Maybe we shouldn't say anything ...
... just click the link and whistle along?


14 posted on 11/25/2005 1:36:43 PM PST by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: Grut

Up against this slimy Liberal Party there is nothing much that could be said that would be liablous and cause the Tories to blow it. These CORRUPT Liberals are running around like cornered cockroaches. They HAVE dealt with organized crime, they themselves are a crime wave. It's time that the Ontario MINDSET changed or they will ruin the country. Martin HIMSELF is corrupt. Suitcases of cash have been handed around. They are a bad joke. And this country NEEDS rid of them NOW.


15 posted on 11/25/2005 2:43:15 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canadians NEED to SEPARATE from the rest of Canada because we are the ONLY Conservati)
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To: hosepipe

Truly, the left wing is very organized. Thank you for linking the DSL.


16 posted on 11/25/2005 10:06:06 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: fanfan
Thats like the U.N. threatening to sue Paul Volcker over the oil for food scandal.
17 posted on 11/25/2005 10:10:13 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: fanfan
Umm. I thought the Liberals are "organized crime"?
18 posted on 11/25/2005 10:11:33 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Sam Gamgee
With that said the worse thing the CPC could do is get on the defensive. Forget about it and move on.

To the contrary, the CPC should yell even louder that the liberals ARE organized crime. And if they know of any links that tie the Liberal Party to organized crime, no matter how vague, they should use them as the basis for TV ads. DO NOT "move on" - - rather, keep it up. Stay on the offensive.

19 posted on 11/25/2005 10:17:39 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: fanfan

Okay, Gomery said a crime was committed, true. The guys were organized, true. Thus organized crime.


20 posted on 11/25/2005 10:41:19 PM PST by rasblue
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