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My Buddy Bill [Clinton smokes hash in Amsterdam, Hillary, and more in a new play about the ex-prez]
The Hollywood Reporter ^ | Nov. 23, 2005 | Jay Reiner

Posted on 11/26/2005 5:42:33 AM PST by summer


Rick Cleveland tells Bill Clinton stories in his one-man show.

Audrey Skirball Kenis Theater at the Geffen Playhouse, Westwood, CA
Through Dec. 18


Bottom line: A must-see, must-hear show to open the fine new second space at the Geffen.

What is it like to pal around with Bill Clinton? Rick Cleveland gives us the skinny in "My Buddy Bill," a fascinating and finely executed one-man show based on Cleveland's friendship with the former president.

The friendship is over now, for reasons that become clear in the evening's most revealing episode. But no matter what you might have thought of Clinton going in, you're going to understand him much better on the way out.

Cleveland met Clinton in 2000 when, as one of several writers on "The West Wing," he was taking a tour of the White House. When Clinton's dog Buddy peed on the rug in the Oval Office, Cleveland, who knows a lot about dogs, gave the president an impromptu lesson in dog behavior. It turned out that the two had things other than dogs in common, both having had alcoholic fathers and a "white trash" background to overcome.

It also is clear that Cleveland is a pretty easy guy to like. He's a folksy sort with a dry wit, a laid back manner and an impish glint in his eye. Imagine a grown-up Huck Finn rafting down the Potomac and you can see why Clinton was drawn to him.

Cleveland's stories are chock-full of intimate details and amusing enough to tickle the most demanding funnybone. There was the time he was invited to Arkansas and winds up jamming, drinking beer and playing Trivial Pursuit with Clinton, his strange brother Roger and Billy Bob Thornton. We're also told about a trip to Amsterdam where Clinton, Christopher Walken and Cleveland smoke some very good hash in a stoner bar and Bill, perhaps under the influence because he definitely inhales, has some intriguing things to say about Monica Lewinsky, Sharon Stone, Ann Coulter and other topics of interest.

But of all the people we meet, including Clinton, no one is quite so ... um, commanding as Hillary. We first meet Hillary at an Italian restaurant in Santa Monica where Bill and Rick are double-dating with their respective wives. The Clintons arrive late and obviously have been fighting on the way over, so the dinner has the feel of low-level warfare with lots of sniping and an occasional ambush. One thing is crystal clear: Bill Clinton is not the same person with Hillary around that he is when she's not around.


Hillary, it seems, is not only "watching me like a hawk," as Bill puts it at one point, but she has someone else watching her fun-loving husband. Based on what happens next, one is forced to conclude that one, Bill Clinton would not have become president if not for Hillary; two, Bill Clinton would not have continued to be president if not for Hillary; and three, Bill Clinton owes Hillary Rodham big time for what she has done for him, and she has her own ways and reasons for collecting on that debt, not all of them pretty.

Is Cleveland telling the truth? He does his best in the show's final moments to sow some doubt in our minds, but most of what he says rings true. Completely true or not, though, it's a delicious show to sit through, subtly written, humorously delivered and skillfully directed by Peter Birkenhead for maximum effect.

A final note: This is the debut production of the Audrey Skirball Kenis Theater at the newly remodeled Geffen Playhouse. It's a warm, intimate second space certain to find much use in years to come. The opening piece is a corker.

MY BUDDY BILL
Presented by the Geffen Playhouse
Credits:
Written and performed by Rick Cleveland
Director: Peter Birkenhead
Set designer: Karyl Newman
Dramaturg: Mary Cleveland


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: billclinton; comedy; hillary; mybuddybill; play; review; rickcleveland; thearts; theater; x42
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We're also told about a trip to Amsterdam where Clinton, Christopher Walken and Cleveland smoke some very good hash in a stoner bar and Bill, perhaps under the influence because he definitely inhales, has some intriguing things to say about Monica Lewinsky, Sharon Stone, Ann Coulter and other topics of interest.

And all this time I thought our former prez didn't inhale!
1 posted on 11/26/2005 5:42:36 AM PST by summer
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To: All

Well, if I was in CA I would certainly go see this play! It sounds like it was very well written by someone in the know...


2 posted on 11/26/2005 5:43:17 AM PST by summer
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To: summer

Presidue: The Bill and Hideous Clinton Story


3 posted on 11/26/2005 5:51:23 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (The search for someone to blame is always successful. - Robert Half)
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To: summer

What?!! no pictures of Ann?


4 posted on 11/26/2005 5:54:11 AM PST by jonno (We are NOT a democracy - though we are democratic. We ARE a constitutional republic.)
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To: jonno

LOL...I'm very curious what Bil Clinton would say about Ann Coulter. I can't imagine he would like her, on the other hand, she is quite attractive, so who knows. Maybe he does have a secret crush on her.


5 posted on 11/26/2005 5:57:24 AM PST by summer
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To: neverdem; Recovering_Democrat; Hildy; Liz; vikingchick; PJ-Comix; dead; lowbridge

FYI. :)


6 posted on 11/26/2005 6:00:07 AM PST by summer
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To: InvisibleChurch
This is interesting, too: "The friendship is over now, for reasons that become clear in the evening's most revealing episode."
7 posted on 11/26/2005 6:01:35 AM PST by summer
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To: Dog Gone

I meant to ping you on #6.


8 posted on 11/26/2005 6:02:30 AM PST by summer
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To: zip; AmishDude; Pharmboy; cake_crumb; bikepacker67
BTW, are we seeing a trend here, plays about political people? If so, I'll have to write one about Gov Jeb Bush. Here's the thread I posted about a new Jenna Bush play:

The MISEDUCATION OF JENNA BUSH.

This one-woman show also got good reviews from theater critics.
9 posted on 11/26/2005 6:08:03 AM PST by summer
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To: Mia T

FYI..Ya think they'd hire you to design the poster and playbill..


10 posted on 11/26/2005 6:08:58 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: summer
a "white trash" background to overcome.

Except that despite becoming President, Clinton never really overcame that background.

11 posted on 11/26/2005 6:10:18 AM PST by Hardastarboard
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To: Hardastarboard

Oh, I think name-calling in that vein is sort of juvenille. I mean, the guy WAS president, like him or not. (And, his wife may well become president.) Not that I am eager to see him anywhere near the White House again, though...


12 posted on 11/26/2005 6:12:01 AM PST by summer
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To: summer
....didn't inhale

I've known all along that was just a ruse. Anybody trying reefer is definitely going to inhale. He knew that somebody was liable to say, "Bill and I smoked dope." Clinton would have already commented about it. A preemptive statement about it, if you will.

13 posted on 11/26/2005 6:12:43 AM PST by oyez (Appeasement is death!)
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To: Hardastarboard

And, the former Prez Bush likes to hang around with him!


14 posted on 11/26/2005 6:12:57 AM PST by summer
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To: summer; All

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HILLARY in a -NY- Yankee Cap =

DUKAKIS in an -ARMY- Tank


.


15 posted on 11/26/2005 6:15:16 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: oyez

His wrongful acts aside, he just seems like such a kid in so many ways. Hillary probably never wished for a little boy, since she has already has one in her hubby, who often appears to have never grown up. (But, still, I wouldn't call him names.) But she's probably wished she married someone else.


16 posted on 11/26/2005 6:15:23 AM PST by summer
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To: Hardastarboard
"white trash"

If Clinton didn't have that charm and a smattering of intellect he'd be living in a single wide manufactured housing unit down in Texarkana.

17 posted on 11/26/2005 6:16:22 AM PST by oyez (Appeasement is death!)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

I saw Susan Estrich on C-SPAN the other day, making the case for Hillary (and for Susan's new book about the same topic). I don't know. I think Hillary may not make it through the primaries due to her refusal to side with Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore, etc.


18 posted on 11/26/2005 6:17:01 AM PST by summer
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To: oyez

LOL...c'mon, this is America, where anyone can achieve their dreams! :)


19 posted on 11/26/2005 6:17:40 AM PST by summer
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To: doug from upland; Blurblogger
If you run into anyone who sees this presentation, or spot any nasty reviews from critics in local rags, be sure to send them along.

It sounds like this guy should write a book. (and, of course, stay away from Ft.Marcy park)

20 posted on 11/26/2005 6:31:29 AM PST by Baynative (I believe Congressman Weldon!)
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To: summer; All

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HILLARY will make sure that she is the last one standing after all is said and done during the 2008 Campaign Primaries.

Pray for the well-being of her last roadblock to reentering our Oval Office:

Republican Presidential Candidate CONDI who is busy producing FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY throughout the Middle East as our own best self-protection against future terrorist attacks here at home.

.


21 posted on 11/26/2005 6:32:49 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: summer
There was the time he was invited to Arkansas and winds up jamming, drinking beer and playing Trivial Pursuit with Clinton, his strange brother Roger and Billy Bob Thornton.

I'm sure Roger brought NoseLikeVacuum a pile of coke for the all night party.

23 posted on 11/26/2005 6:35:51 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: summer
This is interesting, too: "The friendship is over now, for reasons that become clear in the evening's most revealing episode."

this 'review' doesn't reveal much at ALL. we need a spy to go see and review it.

24 posted on 11/26/2005 6:36:10 AM PST by wildwood
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To: wildwood

True, it would be fascinating to read a freeper's review of this play. But, you don't need a "spy." You could probably call up the theater and reserve a block of seats for FR. And, reviews like this one are intended to persuade you to go see it -- by NOT giving away everything in the play! :)


25 posted on 11/26/2005 6:43:40 AM PST by summer
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To: summer

Sorry, but Clinton WAS/IS White trash. His mother was just this side of a whore. She was a drunk, a gambler and a very loose woman.


26 posted on 11/26/2005 6:48:22 AM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: summer
I'm very curious what Bil Clinton would say about Ann Coulter. I can't imagine he would like her, on the other hand, she is quite attractive, so who knows.

Clinton's a hound of the first order.

His comments were probably similar to what a straight guy thinks about a hot lesbian ... "One night with me and I could bring her around."

27 posted on 11/26/2005 6:49:01 AM PST by Freebird Forever (If they're truly public servants, why do they live in the mansions?)
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To: summer

I find this humorous and I would see it if I had the chance. I would also be pissed like the rest of us on FR if this were a Bush play. I can only imagine how the Dummies are eating themselves over this.


28 posted on 11/26/2005 6:49:55 AM PST by satchmodog9 ( Seventy million spent on the lefts Christmas present and all they got was a Scooter)
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To: summer

Clinton isn't white trash when he hangs around classy people like the Bushes. Clinyon is like TOFU, he acts like who he is around.


29 posted on 11/26/2005 6:50:16 AM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: The Drowning Witch

PING!


30 posted on 11/26/2005 6:51:06 AM PST by Jackknife ( "I bet after seeing us, George Washington would sue us for calling him 'father'." —Will Rogers)
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To: Suzy Quzy
Clinton is like TOFU, he acts like who he is around.

ROTFLMAO...an excellent analogy! :)
31 posted on 11/26/2005 6:52:18 AM PST by summer
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To: satchmodog9
I would also be pissed like the rest of us on FR if this were a Bush play.

See my post #9 - freepers had a generally positive response to the news of a Jenna Bush play, since the play was not intending to destroy Jenna Bush. You know, every one of these politicos or people in politics have a side to them which is, in fact, very human, but is often not seen in their "official" capacities. Gov Jeb Bush has a great sense of humor, for instance, but there's nothing funny about dealing with hurricanes and all the other things he has to deal with.

So, when you write a play about someone, it is possible to show people another side of that famous person, a side that is not usually part of their official speeches, etc. This is why I think politicians who take the time to befriend ordinary people are actually quite smart. They get an insight into what real people are going through, and if they are vulnerable themselves, they reveal to real people that they, too, are only human.

However, Bill Clinton really pushes the envelope way beyond what a voter imagines is acceptable behavior for someone who has held such a high position. I think that's why this play got a good review; because this writer did not hold back in that regard.
32 posted on 11/26/2005 6:57:13 AM PST by summer
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To: wildwood

I wouldn't expect that there is a single thing in this play that Bill or Hillary doesn't want there. I think this is an effort to innoculate Hillary against a new round of rumors of his/her behavior before her presidential run in '08.

Begala and Carville probably fine tuned the script.

Pinz


33 posted on 11/26/2005 6:59:47 AM PST by pinz-n-needlez
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To: oyez
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34 posted on 11/26/2005 7:03:59 AM PST by Jackknife ( "I bet after seeing us, George Washington would sue us for calling him 'father'." —Will Rogers)
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To: pinz-n-needlez

I don't know about that -- according to this review, the writer and the ex-prez are no longer friends. So, apparently, there are more than a few things in this play not exactly complimentary to this ex-prez.


35 posted on 11/26/2005 7:04:26 AM PST by summer
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To: summer

I read that, but kind of doubt it. Who would fund a show in NYC that Hillary opposes? Rmember his 'purple rage' duing his Grand Jury questioning? Never happend, but posed that football for all of us to kick -- then the actual video footage pulled it away.

None of the things in the play can be documented, it's just empty calories for the Clinton haters, imo. They'll make money off a new group of customers.

Clinton backers can come out and make fun of people who get riled by it, and then Hillary has a whole new list of awful stuff she can just laugh off.

That's my take anyway, I'm sure we'll see in time... :-)

Pinz


36 posted on 11/26/2005 7:18:13 AM PST by pinz-n-needlez
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To: summer
You could probably call up the theater and reserve a block of seats for FR.

mmmm that's part of the problem...wouldn't really want to contribute anything to the clinton machine, you know! like to hang on to my dollars too. have been tricked WAY too many times with crappy movies (for which i paid 9 bucks to see!) that have some horrible crack about my political beliefs. you know? just sick of it.

37 posted on 11/26/2005 7:21:08 AM PST by wildwood
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To: summer; Baynative; bd476

Actually, we HAD an inhaler, just not a President...


38 posted on 11/26/2005 8:07:26 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: summer; veronica; onyx

My Father ALWAYS said that Hillary knew exactly what Bill was doing at all times...she knew the women, she knew because she had people spying on him...that's how she was able to have all the control she craved. IF this woman gets in the White House...God have mercy on Us.


39 posted on 11/26/2005 9:09:34 AM PST by Hildy
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To: summer

I think you're plenty wrong on that. Bill just didn't start being Bill...Bill was the way he was when they met. She knew he was a guy she could control. You don't think women marry men for control? You're wrong.


40 posted on 11/26/2005 9:11:13 AM PST by Hildy
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To: ken5050
Note the venue....

CLINTON BIRDS, RAPES AND DAVID GEFFEN....

Hillary, it seems, is not only "watching me like a hawk," as Bill puts it at one point,

Having failed to snare the Nobel Peace Prize by ignoring terrorism, clinton has apparently decided to intensify his America-bashing on foreign soil, the method employed by Jimmy Carter to great (if somewhat belated) effect: Carter received his 1978 Peace Prize in 2002.

Meanwhile, back in the Senate, the missus, the other half of the clinton construct, maintains her hawkish pose (though not without bird problems of another sort).

Yet another example of the clinton conflation ploy, (see SCHEMA PINOCCHIO: how the clintons are handling the hillary dud factor), this variant allows "clinton, the construct" to hold two mutually exclusive positions simultaneously, thereby enabling the missus to avoid in '08 the trap that repeatedly ensnared the ever 'nuanced' Kerry in '04.

Do you now understand how stupid the clintons think you are?

A CALL TO IMPEACH CLINTON IN ABSENTIA
Mia T, 11.17.05

REINVENTING HILLARY... AGAIN
(clinton machine dumps Geena Davis for Margaret Thatcher)
how the clintons are handling the hillary dud factor2
Mia T, 11.23.05


(viewing movie requires Flash Player 7, available HERE)

Clinton Administration Veteran:
"Hillary Rodham Clinton needs to be kept very far away from the White House for the rest of her life."


My two cents' worth--and I think it is the two cents' worth of everybody who worked for the Clinton Administration health care reform effort of 1993-1994--is that Hillary Rodham Clinton needs to be kept very far away from the White House for the rest of her life. Heading up health-care reform was the only major administrative job she has ever tried to do. And she was a complete flop at it. She had neither the grasp of policy substance, the managerial skills, nor the political smarts to do the job she was then given. And she wasn't smart enough to realize that she was in over her head and had to get out of the Health Care Czar role quickly.... there is no reason to think that she would be anything but an abysmal president.

J. Bradford DeLong
professor of economics, Berkeley
clinton Administration veteran


ARTICLE
 

but she has someone else watching her fun-loving husband.

Based on what happens next, one is forced to conclude that one, Bill Clinton would not have become president if not for Hillary;

The clintons, as is their wont, are now taking this proxy scheme to even more outrageous extremes. The latest: an actual hillary clinton proxy presidency, populated on both sides of the camera by assorted rodham and clinton ex-staffers, sycophants and should-be felons, witness the latest hire.

'Commander-in-Chief,' a show that sets out to crown a 'queen,' instead exposes the kitschy simplemindedness of Hollywood fantasy and the special sway and shortsightedness of the pathologic ego.

Mia T, 10.27.05
THE DANGER OF RUNNING VICARIOUSLY
Bill O'Reilly chews up and spits out the hillary clinton candidacy
(clip included)


two, Bill Clinton would not have continued to be president if not for Hillary;

 

thanx to WorkingClassFilth for the video
special thanx to Jim Robinson


The closest... Clinton has ever come to answering allegations... he raped an Arkansas woman in 1978 is a distance measurable only in light-years.

In a letter to Mrs. Clinton recalling their meeting shortly after the reported assault occurred, she wondered about the significance of Mrs. Clinton's words to her at that time. Thank you, Mrs. Broaddrick says Mrs. Clinton told her, for "everything you do for Bill."

 

and three, Bill Clinton owes Hillary Rodham big time for what she has done for him,

It isn't that they can't see the solution. It is that they can't see the problem.

G. K. Chesterton

Reviews of "Commander-in-Chief" mislead; they suggest that this new ABC offering, this electuary of suds and psychologizing, is optional for missus clinton, that Rod Lurie's latest clinton agitprop is nothing more than the icing on missus clinton's inaugural cake.

The reviews miss the point of the show, (i.e., the show is not optional but necessary (though hardly sufficient) if clinton is to prevail), because the reviews fail to identify missus clinton's problem in the first place. And circular reasoning compounds the error.


THE PROBLEM

While America appears not to be ready for a female president under any circumstances, the post-9/11 realities pose special problems for a female presidential candidate. Add to these the problems unique to missus clinton. The reviews make the mistake of focusing on the problems of the generic female presidential candidate running during ordinary times.

These are not ordinary times. America is waging the global War on Terror; the uncharted territory of asymmetric netherworlds is the battlefield; the enemy is brutal, subhuman; the threat of global conflagration is real.

Defeating the enemy on the battlefield isn't sufficient. For America to prevail, she must also defeat a retrograde, misogynous, troglodyte mindset. To successfully prosecute the War on Terror, it is essential that the collective patriarchal islamic culture perceives America as politically and militarily strong. Condi Rice excepted, this requirement presents an insurmountable hurdle for any female presidential candidate, and especially missus clinton, historically antimilitary, forever the pitiful victim, and, according to Dick Morris, "the biggest dove in the clinton administration."

It is ironic that had the clintons not failed utterly to fight terrorism... not failed to take bin Laden from Sudan... not failed repeatedly to decapitate a nascent, still stoppable al Qaeda... the generic female president as a construct would still be viable... missus clinton's obstacles would be limited largely to standard-issue clintonisms: corruption, abuse, malpractice, malfeasance, megalomania, rape and treason... and, in spite of Juanita Broaddrick, or perhaps because of her, Rod Lurie would be reduced to perversely hawking the "First Gentleman" instead of the "Commander-in-Chief."

Mia T, 10.02.05
HILLARY'S COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF PROBLEM
COMPLETE ARTICLE
see descriptor morphs

Mia T, 11.23.05
REINVENTING HILLARY... AGAIN
(clinton machine dumps Geena Davis for Margaret Thatcher)
how the clintons are handling the hillary dud factor2


and she has her own ways and reasons for collecting on that debt, not all of them pretty....



(viewing movie requires Flash Player 7, available HERE)

A final note: This is the debut production of the Audrey Skirball Kenis Theater at the newly remodeled Geffen Playhouse. It's a warm, intimate second space certain to find much use in years to come. The opening piece is a corker.

GEFFEN UNLOADS ON HILLARY: 'SHE CAN'T WIN'

DRUDGE REPORT
Thu Feb 17 2005 23:13:00 ET

Sen. Hillary Clinton should not count on help from Hollywood mogul David Geffen in her possible run for the White House.

Geffen, who was a generous supporter and pal of Bill Clinton when he was president, trashed Hillary's prospects last night during a Q&A at the 92nd St. Y in New York City.

"She can't win, and she's an incredibly polarizing figure," the billionaire Democrat told his audience. "And ambition is just not a good enough reason."

Lloyd Grove reports in fresh editions of the NY DAILY NEWS the audience broke with "hearty applause" over Geffen's comments.

Developing...


MY BUDDY BILL

Presented by the Geffen Playhouse
(Dowd discusses Geffen's opinion of hillary, the candidate.)
HEAR CHRIS MATTHEWS + MAUREEN DOWD DEVOUR HILLARY
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Hillary Clinton?
Who would even know her name were it not for her attachment to a man?


Thank you, Gavin McNett, for your tribute to the incomparable Tammy Wynette. (TAMMY WYNETTE, 1942-1998)

Too many pundits, usually leftist and privileged, sneer at country music. To these critics, any music created by poor, Southern whites (at least those poor, Southern whites who didn't attend an Ivy League university) must be held in contempt, along with its correlatives: incest, racism and trailer parks.

Hillary Clinton? Who would even know her name were it not for her attachment to a man? Where would she be now if she as a child had to pick cotton from sun up to sun down?

Tammy Wynette stands alone, a legend; and she will be admired wherever people appreciate the honesty of the human experience. Human beings are vulnerable. We all should be thankful to any artist courageous enough to bare her soul on the public stage so the rest of us who are listening and know whereof she speaks might benefit.

Sean Smith
Fresno, Calif.
Salon.com



COPYRIGHT MIA T 2005
41 posted on 11/26/2005 9:16:39 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: All

"What the hell is this moribund loser doing in the political arena anyway?"

Rick Cleveland is explaining this aberrant result to the rest of the world. (We here at FR already knew....)


42 posted on 11/26/2005 9:24:23 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Hildy

Re your post # 40 - Hildy, I see your point, but, I don't know that I can agree with you, since she hasn't done such a great job of controlling him!


43 posted on 11/26/2005 9:39:26 AM PST by summer
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To: summer

But she controls him by having these "threats" over his head. The best way of control...The best line a control feak has in their bag of tricks is "I CAN MAKE OR BREAK YOU." She let him get just so far...far enough that she had things on him that could use when necessary. The one thing she couldn't have known about was that famous blue dress.


44 posted on 11/26/2005 10:23:58 AM PST by Hildy
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To: summer

Funny.

You'd think somebody in the MSM would have commented on Billy Bob Clinton's dog getting caught peeing in the Oval Orifice carpet. (Er, office.)

Oh. Yeah. They would have (like they showed that note to Condi!) if it were Bush's dog peeing the Oval Office............


45 posted on 11/26/2005 10:39:43 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: summer
HILLARY!??
WHAT IS THIS MORIBUND LOSER DOING IN THE POLITICAL ARENA, ANYWAY?
(bill's bud explains)
46 posted on 11/26/2005 11:18:04 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: pinz-n-needlez
I wouldn't expect that there is a single thing in this play that Bill or Hillary doesn't want there. I

possible, but i have been hearing national rumbles every now and then from people who are afraid of a hillary presidential run; she is too polemical, they say, and i think they would like a prettier face, as it were.

i have heard numerous folks, even liberals, say they will not vote for her. not exactly sure why. but who knows?

47 posted on 11/26/2005 2:24:15 PM PST by wildwood
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To: Hildy


God bless your Father --- brilliant man. I wish I could have known him.


48 posted on 11/26/2005 3:22:59 PM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: summer
LOL...c'mon, this is America, where anyone can achieve their dreams! :)

Or be a nightmare.

49 posted on 11/26/2005 3:46:35 PM PST by oyez (Appeasement is death!)
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To: summer
But she's probably wished she married someone else.

A normal person would, of course.

But Hillary is not what you and I would call normal. Instead, she has gotten what she wanted from the marriage: power.

Had she married someone else, she might not have had the opportunity to exercise power as "first wife" nor emerge as a legitimate candidate for the Presidency in her own right.

50 posted on 11/26/2005 4:08:48 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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