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South Africa: Boy dies at circumcision school
News 24 (South Africa) ^ | November 28, 2005

Posted on 11/27/2005 11:20:50 PM PST by Stoat

Boy dies at circumcision school
28/11/2005 08:39  - (SA)  

 

Mthatha - One boy has died and eight others were admitted to Mthatha general hospital after they fell ill at a circumcision school in the area, the Eastern Cape health department said on Monday.

"When we got there on Sunday night one of the boys had already died. Two are in a critical condition and the others are stable," spokesperson Sizwe Kupelo said. They are aged between 18 and 20.

Health department officials went to investigate the school at Link village outside Mthatha after being informed by community members of possible problems.

"It's a legal school. The man in charge is registered, but failed to report on time that the boys were sick. There is a possibility that he will be charged with negligence," Kupelo said. Police have opened an inquest docket.

It was the first death since the start of the circumcision season two weeks ago.

In a separate incident, police and health officials would on Monday continue their search for a group of 19 boys believed to be part of an illegal initiation school hiding in the bush near Flagstaff.

"Police and community members spent the whole day on Saturday searching for the boys. They started the search at 10:00 using a helicopter. It was called off at 15:45 due to bad weather. One of the boys is reported to be in ill health."

Kupelo said that since Friday last week six people had been arrested in different parts of the province for "unlawful circumcisions".

The department appealed to community members to take responsibility for the schools in their area and to report problems.

"We want it to be a communal thing. During the June/July season 23 boys died in the bush." About half those deaths were in the Libode area, east of Mthatha.

Of the 23 who had died, 15 succumbed to illnesses such as meningitis and pneumonia. At least five boys had their genitals amputated following botched circumcisions.

Kupelo said boys going to circumcision schools needed to be sent for medical check-ups to make sure they were in good health before undergoing the ritual.

"They are exposed to bad weather conditions and to dehydration. According to the traditional way the boys are denied water for the first eight days. If they aren't healthy enough there is definitely a risk."

Those in the province requiring assistance or wanting to report illegal schools could call the circumcision health line on 08000-323-64.



TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: africa; circumcision; southafrica
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1 posted on 11/27/2005 11:20:50 PM PST by Stoat
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To: Stoat

"Cicumcision School"?
"Circumcision Season"?

WTF???


2 posted on 11/27/2005 11:27:20 PM PST by saquin
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To: Stoat
Related post: Bad tippers and bitter waitresses.
3 posted on 11/27/2005 11:30:17 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: Stoat

Ahhhh... The stench of TROP hangs heavy over this story... Dollars to donuts this happened at an islamic chop shop (which is reason # 1,001 no person in his right mind would ever convert to islam: 8 or 80, you'll have to be circumcised).


4 posted on 11/27/2005 11:33:43 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: saquin
"Cicumcision School"?
"Circumcision Season"?

WTF???

 

5 posted on 11/27/2005 11:35:50 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: LibWhacker

Noooooooooooooooo...it's a tribal ( black ) thing and takes place at a time of initiation; not shortly after birth.


6 posted on 11/27/2005 11:38:17 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Stoat

Wrong group and wrong race.


7 posted on 11/27/2005 11:38:46 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Wrong group and wrong race.

But the MESSAGE applies to all groups and races (except whites) according to the Left.

8 posted on 11/27/2005 11:40:35 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: LibWhacker
Ahhhh... The stench of TROP hangs heavy over this story...

Please forgive my lack of Inside Baseball knowledge on this one......please define TROP.  Thank you  :-)

Dollars to donuts this happened at an islamic chop shop (which is reason # 1,001 no person in his right mind would ever convert to islam: 8 or 80, you'll have to be circumcised).

The love their little knives don't they?  Whether it's chopping off heads or something else, they do love their little knives.

9 posted on 11/27/2005 11:43:45 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
What ARE you talking about? What "MESSAGE" and what has the "left" ( American Lefties, Western European lefties, other lefties? ) to do with bungled black tribal initiation rites in South Africa?
10 posted on 11/27/2005 11:45:43 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Okay, thanks. Hey, I'm wrong sometimes... And I admit it when I am! :-)


11 posted on 11/27/2005 11:55:24 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Stoat; nopardons
The Religion Of Peace.

But as nopardons pointed out, I'm wrong about that in this case.

12 posted on 11/27/2005 11:56:18 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: nopardons
What ARE you talking about?

No need to get upset  :-)  We're all friends here, aren't we?  :-)

What "MESSAGE"

"Celebrate Diversity"....one of the bumpersticker mantras of the American Left (and probably that of the Eurotrash Left as well)

and what has the "left" ( American Lefties, Western European lefties, other lefties? ) to do with bungled black tribal initiation rites in South Africa?
 

  FReeper Saquin asked me: "Cicumcision School"?
                                                "Circumcision Season"?

                                                    WTF???

In common parlance, WTF is a request for clarification.  I responded, in a tongue in cheek way, that his/her confusion would be rectified by embracing and celebrating Diversity, as the Left always bleats about.  By celebrating Diversity, all hideous and inhuman 'cultural ' practices of backward societies become 'normalized' and 'legitimized'., and so if Saquin would only Celebrate Diversity, then all his / her confusion would disappear.

It was an attempt at humor, and I'm sorry that in your case it wasn't suitably clear.
 

13 posted on 11/27/2005 11:57:21 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: LibWhacker
You're welcome.

I sometimes get things wrong too and thank the person who has corrected me. That makes you and me VERY rare birds here; welcome to the club...I wish there were more of us. :-)

14 posted on 11/27/2005 11:57:31 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Lol, me too!


15 posted on 11/28/2005 12:01:21 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Stoat
You weren't funny, it was far from obvious that you were trying to be funny, and it's usually a VERY good rule to follow, that when you don't know the topic, you should just keep mum ( quiet ) about it.

I'm NOT "upset" at all, but do get rather annoyed at people who post garbage and imagine that they are cute/funny/witty/clever, when they are none of these.

This has less than NOTHING at all to do with lefty "diversity"/PC junk. What it has to do with, is barbaric tribal rites in SOUTH AFRICA, which the lousy Western Liberals turned into a slow moving train wreck disaster, by demanding that a known card carrying Commie and terrorist be made president.

16 posted on 11/28/2005 12:06:19 AM PST by nopardons
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To: LibWhacker

:-)


17 posted on 11/28/2005 12:10:28 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
You weren't funny,

Gee, you've spoiled my whole day now  :-)  (not really, just trying to compliment you)

it was far from obvious that you were trying to be funny,

Well, subtle humor works with some people but not with everyone.

and it's usually a VERY good rule to follow, that when you don't know the topic, you should just keep mum ( quiet ) about it.

And what topic is it that you think I don't know about?  What topic was I stating untrue things about?  All I did here was to make a lighthearted and (in my view) a VERY obvious joke which one person in the thread apparently still hasn't understood.

I'm NOT "upset" at all,

Gee, you certainly fooled me.  No need to shout, by the way.  I can hear just fine, thank you.

but do get rather annoyed at people who post garbage and imagine that they are cute/funny/witty/clever, when they are none of these.

Subtlety and tongue in cheek humor doesn't work with some people, it's true.  For some people, you have to hit them over the head with obvious stuff that's completely black and white and requires no particular amount of reflection or thought.  As for myself, when I don't understand something, I usually try to politely ask for clarification and improve my understanding of other people's communication styles....I don't blunder about and become annoyed at others, insisting that everyone communicate in exactly the same way that I do.  Where I come from, this is called "getting along with others".

This has less than NOTHING at all to do with lefty "diversity"/PC junk.

The article doesn't, but my humorous response to Saquin's question did.  You see, I brought in a conversational element that was referring only to Saquin's question.  Completely relevant to the conversation that I was having with him/her.  I'm sorry that you didn't understand it, but then again it wasn't even your question that I was responding to, was it now?

What it has to do with, is barbaric tribal rites in SOUTH AFRICA, which the lousy Western Liberals turned into a slow moving train wreck disaster, by demanding that a known card carrying Commie and terrorist be made president.

And now you're referring back to the article again, which is fine.

I hope that this little chat has helped clear a few things up for you.

18 posted on 11/28/2005 12:26:47 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
Listen n00b, what you did is highjack this thread. You didn't answer the other poster's query at all; you rook it off to a completely IRRELEVENT direction and have continued to do so.

Believe it or not, this thread isn't about you. And it is a FR rule, that posters are supposed to discuss and/or debate the subject matter which appears in the article at the beginning of each thread. Neither is it considered to be good form/netiquette, to heavily bold and enlarge another's words, nor to cherry-pick a reply to you.

OTOH, I explained something about the topic at hand and did , unlike you, answer the query.

I suggest that you refrain from replying to this post, since the apparently the only thing you have to add to this thread are bandwithwasting, self aggrandizing pats on the back, and an attempt to start a flame war, through baiting.

19 posted on 11/28/2005 12:38:08 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Listen n00b,

Oh, and so now it's on to the condescending insults and name-calling?  That's not very nice.  I had hoped that you would strive for higher things.  A shame.

what you did is highjack this thread.

And how, exactly did I do that?  It is you who has become enraged and continue with this silliness because you are unable to understand an obvious and completely relevant joke that was in a conversation WITH A DIFFERENT POSTER.

 You didn't answer the other poster's query at all; you rook it off to a completely IRRELEVENT direction

Not true at all, of course.   It was a direct, complete, and succinct answer.   You only find it irrelevant because you don't understand it.  You have my sympathies.

and have continued to do so.

ummmm.... actually it's you who is having the huge problem here and continues to beat this dead horse, not me. 

Believe it or not, this thread isn't about you.

And where was it that I suggested or implied in any way whatsoever that I felt that this thread was 'about me'?  Where does this come from?  Actually, it seems to me that it is you who is insisting that everything be done exactly YOUR way, the black and white zero-depth way.  I'm happy to try to help you understand, but it becomes tedious when you start becoming rude and insulting when I merely deliver direct answers to your questions.

 And it is a FR rule, that posters are supposed to discuss and/or debate the subject matter which appears in the article at the beginning of each thread.

Right.  And so the reason you have for this endless tirade of yours pertaining to my post to a DIFFERENT PERSON, which you simply didn't understand, is what, exactly?

 Neither is it considered to be good form/netiquette, to heavily bold and enlarge another's words,

So you don't understand subtle humor and you don't like my writing style.  There just isn't anything about me that you like at all, is there?  It's a shame.  We could have become grand friends if you weren't in such a belligerent and foul mood tonight.

nor to cherry-pick a reply to you.

Actually, you're using this expression improperly.  Cherry-picking is when one person asks numerous questions and the other person only responds to those that he wants to.  I am responding directly to every single question and statement that you are asking me.  Are you saying that you don't appreciate my efforts to directly address all of your questions?

OTOH, I explained something about the topic at hand and did , unlike you, answer the query.

I answered one poster's question in my way (which you didn't understand) and you answered a different poster's question in another way (actually, you jumped down someone's throat for a minor misstatement, but that's another matter).  Again, it seems that your feeling is that you are the ultimate example of perfection in all respects, and anyone who is different is WRONG and needs to be brutally and forcibly corrected.  Doesn't seem very friendly to me.

I suggest that you refrain from replying to this post, since the apparently the only thing you have to add to this thread are bandwithwasting, self aggrandizing pats on the back, and an attempt to start a flame war, through baiting.

That's odd.....it seems to me that your posts are laden with "self-aggrandizing pats on the back" because you seem to feel that you are always right and everyone else is always wrong....even when it's a very clearcut matter of you simply not understanding something and refusing to admit it.

As to a 'flame war', again you refer to yourself.  I am only answering your questions, directly and completely....it is you who has become rude and insulting.  And how is it that I am 'baiting' anyone when I merely answer your posts with direct answers?

Hopefully a good night's sleep will help and you will feel better tomorrow.


20 posted on 11/28/2005 1:08:12 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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