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Oriana Fallaci Tribute (Vanity)
11/29/05

Posted on 11/29/2005 12:49:34 AM PST by dervish

I was at a tribute sponsored by Center for Popular Culture (David Horowitz) honoring Oriana Fallaci, the Italian Journalist now living in NYC who has come out strongly against Islam in the post 9/11 world.

Attending were Daniel Pipes, who introduced her, Robert Spencer who will be writing about the event in Frontpage, Norman Podhoretz, Frank Gaffney, Phyllis Chessler, John Fund of WSJ, Josh Gerstein of NY Sun, and assorted other who I probably did not recognize. It was an honor to be there. Fallaci is very sick and near death. But you would never know it from the fire in her speech. She spoke for almost an hour.

She began by saying that people live in denial. Appeasement is easier than fighting. People get tired.

Woven throughout her talk were references to Alexis DeTocqueville's comments on how authoritarian systems try to attack democracy by turning people who speak the truth and go against the tide into pariahs and objects of scorn. They attack the “soul of freedom.” She was talking about herself and how she has been maligned by the leftists in Italy and Europe even now she is being sued in Italy for a hate crime against Islam in her book "The Force of Reason." Yet Islam which is full of hate is above Western reproach. Santa Claus offends Muslim children so he is banished. Muslims defile and urinate on Christian sites in Italy and that is tolerated as free expression. The Mayor of Murano changed the planned name of a street from “The martyrs of Nassiriya” (in memory of the Italian servicemen killed in a terrorist attack there), to “Yasser Arafat Street”.

She chastised President Bush for calling Islam “a religion of peace.” “Shut up Bush” she says to herself “but he doesn’t listen to me.”

“Moderate Islam is our invention, there is Islam and that is all,” she said. She referred to the Koran as the ‘Mein Kampf’ of Islam.

On the French riots she commented that of course they were Islamic. Other poor residents of French slums were not involved only Muslim youth. Why else were the rioters yelling “Allah Akbar” as they pillaged.

She spoke warmly of her meeting with Pope Benedict XVI who she admires greatly, and said if an atheist and the Pope can find common ground in the threat to European and Western civilization there must be truth there. She praised the religious of Europe as more tolerant of differing beliefs than the secular – Pope Benedict did not berate her on her atheism.

On the political left and right she said she was on neither side, and had gripes against the right as well. She was especially angry at Secretary Rice and the State Department for pushing Europe to include Turkey in the EU. Rice may be a very smart person but she knows nothing about Turkey, their human rights abuses, their women taking up the veil again. She described the right and left as jockeying for the football of power. She called herself a revolutionary on no side whose weapon was words. She praised the audience for participating in what she believes is the struggle of our times.

Terrorism is not the greatest threat; immigration is. By the year 2100 Europe will be majority Muslim. Europeans will be described as Natives the way American Indians who were conquered by the West are now. The Muslims do not even want to assimilate. They do not embrace their new country with loyalty or love. The French rioters do not want to be called French. The struggle according to some Muslims is not whether the Muslims will dominate Europe but whether they will be able to impose Sharia. She repeatedly called it Eurabia and mentioned Bat Yeor as a reference.

She closed by saying that it gave her great comfort to know that as her life ebbed others like those in the room tonight would continue the war. She said that at the end she would cross herself because even though she was an atheist “you never know.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: danielpipes; eurabia; europe; fallaci; immigration; islam; italy; koran; muslims; orianafallaci; popebenedict; presidentbush; robertspencer; rop; wot
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1 posted on 11/29/2005 12:49:35 AM PST by dervish
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To: dervish

Great post dervish! Excellent reportage. Was this in NYC? If so, I am very, very, extremely sorry I missed it.


2 posted on 11/29/2005 1:09:20 AM PST by jocon307
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To: dervish

She gets it,big time.


3 posted on 11/29/2005 1:13:20 AM PST by magua
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham; SunkenCiv; Tolik; NYer; quidnunc; familyop; neverdem; an italian; ...

thought this might be of interest.

also --

Oriana Fallaci and the War Against Islamofascism

This is the text of David Horowitz's speech given at a dinner organized by the Center for the Study of Popular Culture, when he bestowed the Center's prestigious Annie Taylor Award on Oriana Fallaci for her lifelong struggle against totalitarian ideologies. – The Editors.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20343


4 posted on 11/29/2005 1:13:42 AM PST by dervish (no excuse s)
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To: dervish

So weird seeing Fallaci praised on a conservative site...


5 posted on 11/29/2005 1:15:34 AM PST by durasell
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To: jocon307

Thank you.

Yes, it was in NYC. At the Republican Women's Club near Rockefeller Center.


6 posted on 11/29/2005 1:21:09 AM PST by dervish (no excuse s)
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To: jocon307

What Italian will come forward to fill her shoes?That will be be a task.She is a courageous woman and it's a pity she can't run for president.


7 posted on 11/29/2005 1:22:13 AM PST by firewatch
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To: dervish

"At the Republican Women's Club near Rockefeller Center."

Oh, that is such a great place. I went to the "Right to Life Ball" there once. Wish I'd been there with you all.


8 posted on 11/29/2005 1:26:55 AM PST by jocon307
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To: dervish

I love Oriana! Thanks for the post! She does get it, and I have written to Bush to state my objection to his Israeli policy, but no response, of course. Maybe we need a petition, drawn up by an organization that he listens to, to get his attention. I realize there are things we don't know that he is privy to, but overall, this path looks to be a dnagerous one for Israel, and I'm ashamed that we are pushing them to continue it.


9 posted on 11/29/2005 1:35:51 AM PST by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
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To: an italian; Dustbunny; cyborg; Do not dub me shapka broham; dennisw; Cicero; Billthedrill
I thought you might be interested in this tribute to Fallaci. Please ping anyone you know who would be interested. Thanks.

Other threads about Fallaci can be found here.

10 posted on 11/29/2005 2:14:40 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: dervish

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/29/nirq29.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/11/29/ixnewstop.html


11 posted on 11/29/2005 2:28:29 AM PST by mal
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To: durasell; briansb; MAK1179
"So weird seeing Fallaci praised on a conservative site..."

I agree, but it should not be (weird).

Truth is Truth, even when spoken by an atheist.

Ms. Fallaci speaks the truth as she knows it, and this woman has been around the block a time or two. I am personally inspired by her stand, by her bravery and by the message she is so inflamed about.

Would that our precioius Republicans in office had 10% of this woman's courage and dedication to speaking the truth.

Cheers,
Lloyd

12 posted on 11/29/2005 2:59:28 AM PST by Lloyd227
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To: mal

Another useful idiot (Kember, the "Peacemaker" kidnapped in Iraq).

Oriana Fallaci is so right - we just don't get it. Or perhaps we refuse to get it because it would mean so many changes in our preconceptions and ideas about the world, and we've gotten comfortable with them, even though they don't work.


13 posted on 11/29/2005 2:59:36 AM PST by livius
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To: dervish
Attending were Daniel Pipes, who introduced her, Robert Spencer who will be writing about the event in Frontpage, Norman Podhoretz, Frank Gaffney, Phyllis Chessler, John Fund of WSJ, Josh Gerstein of NY Sun, and assorted other who I probably did not recognize. It was an honor to be there.

I wonder if those "assorted other" included those warriors who are forced to write under pseudonyms, such as Ibn Warraq and Bat Y'eor -- those, like Spencer, whose lives are threatened by Islamists on a daily basis for speaking the truth about Islam.

What a great honor to be in Fallaci's presence, and the presence of those who have sacrificed personal security to wage a life and death struggle against the threat of Islam -- and what a contrast to those, like Murtha, who choose security and denial over the future of their grandchildren.

Thanks for the report.

14 posted on 11/29/2005 3:43:06 AM PST by browardchad
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To: dervish
Thx Dervish. Great reporting on your part!

How large was the crowd and what was the gender mix? How did the audience respond to her?

15 posted on 11/29/2005 3:57:01 AM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: dervish

"Moderate Islam is our invention. There is Islam and that is all." If the West doesn't accept this truth, we are doomed.


16 posted on 11/29/2005 4:07:29 AM PST by Malesherbes
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Oriani ping


17 posted on 11/29/2005 4:13:34 AM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor! '98'er)
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To: dervish; namsman

Thanks for the report!


18 posted on 11/29/2005 4:25:33 AM PST by SW6906 (5 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, guns and ammunition.)
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To: dervish

btttt


19 posted on 11/29/2005 4:30:44 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: dennisw

20 posted on 11/29/2005 4:38:07 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: dervish
Anger and Pride by Oriana Fallaci.. Her first essay about 9/11

The Rage of Oriana Fallaci

21 posted on 11/29/2005 4:42:03 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: dervish
Here's the full text of The Rage and the Pride, which is available as a published book and also is out on the Internet in several other forms beside this one.
22 posted on 11/29/2005 4:42:15 AM PST by angkor
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To: dervish; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; Valin; King Prout; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; ..

Tribute to Oriana Fallaci.

Thank you, dervish for an excellent reporting.

This ping list is not author-specific for articles I'd like to share. Some for the perfect moral clarity, some for provocative thoughts; or simply interesting articles I'd hate to miss myself. (I don't have to agree with the author all 100% to feel the need to share an article.) I will try not to abuse the ping list and not to annoy you too much, but on some days there is more of the good stuff that is worthy of attention. You can see the list of articles I pinged to lately  on  my page.
You are welcome in or out, just freepmail me (and note which PING list you are talking about). Besides this one, I keep 2 separate PING lists for my favorite authors Victor Davis Hanson and Orson Scott Card.  

23 posted on 11/29/2005 5:38:13 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik

'They attack the “soul of freedom.”'


24 posted on 11/29/2005 6:22:25 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March ("We might have dodged a bomb but we lost a lot of brains." Bill Clinton [Veteran Sink Soldier])
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To: durasell

"So weird seeing Fallaci praised on a conservative site..."

If you haven't read Rage and Pride by Fallaci, you should. Given that book, its not at all surprising to see Fallaci praised on a conservative website.


25 posted on 11/29/2005 6:46:11 AM PST by wolf24
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To: dervish

Thank you for posting this. I love and admire Oriana Falacci.


26 posted on 11/29/2005 8:14:54 AM PST by marron
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To: dervish

Oriana Fallaci is one of the great voices of the West and she will be sorely missed. Wish I could have been there. I wonder if C-SPAN will broadcast this at some point?


29 posted on 11/29/2005 8:25:40 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: dervish; Berosus; blam; Convert from ECUSA; Do not dub me shapka broham; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

Thanks, Dervish, for the topic and the ping.


31 posted on 11/29/2005 8:33:09 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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To: Tolik; dervish

A most pingworthy article! Dervish, great reporting.


32 posted on 11/29/2005 8:36:13 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: dervish

I've hear from it...

And as she said, TO HELL THE NOBEL PRIZE AND HONOR TO WHO THAT DOESN'T WIN IT...


33 posted on 11/29/2005 8:43:05 AM PST by an italian (the power wears out who doesn't have it....)
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To: dervish

really interesting!

to oriana, go girl!!!


34 posted on 11/29/2005 8:44:54 AM PST by an italian (the power wears out who doesn't have it....)
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To: SunkenCiv; dervish; sandyeggo
Thanks for the ping, SunkenCiv, and thanks for posting this, dervish! Oriania has chutzpah in the good meaning of that word, and "at the end she would cross herself because even though she was an atheist “you never know.”" An opening (even if a small one) in the heart of a valiant lady that tells it like it is about our enemies, may graces be granted to her.
35 posted on 11/29/2005 9:25:26 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (It really, truly is a "religion of peace", and the jihadistinian rioters in France prove it!)
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To: durasell; SunkenCiv

I for one cheer every time a liberal sees the light. The same goes for Ed Koch, Zell Miller, etc.


36 posted on 11/29/2005 9:44:02 AM PST by Berosus ("There is no beauty like Jerusalem, no wealth like Rome, no depravity like Arabia."--the Talmud)
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To: dervish
Awesome summary!

I wish I could have been there.

:)

I'm still stewing over the fact that I won't be able to get a copy of her new book until the end of January.

37 posted on 11/29/2005 11:14:02 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Dark Skies; Rummyfan; All

Est 200 people attended, and about fifty/fifty men and women.

CSPAN will not carry it. Ms Fallaci would not permit audio, video or pictures due to her ill health. Also Fallaci is using the talk in her final book which she is she is writing now. Of this book she said "I hope this book helps me die a little less."

The audience was enthralled and stayed mainly quiet not interrupting very often with applause. I think they feared for her health. I know I did.


38 posted on 11/29/2005 11:59:38 AM PST by dervish (no excuse s)
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To: wolf24

I've read R&P. Basically a Fallaci rant, which is always fun. Her better books are Inshallah (brilliant) and Interview with History.


39 posted on 11/29/2005 12:31:32 PM PST by durasell
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To: Lloyd227

She's not only an atheist, but was also a vocal critic of the Vietnam War as well as Afghan assistance during the 1980s. She's probably the only journalist who spoke out against Vietnam, Kissinger, Nixon and Jane Fonda in the same paragraph. Her interview with Kissinger is a classic Fallaci hatchet job. On the other hand, she also despised (detested) Arafat. She also, for reasons I can't remember, also disliked the Pope.


40 posted on 11/29/2005 12:40:41 PM PST by durasell
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To: durasell

Do you not think that R&P was consistent with conservative philosophy in terms of self-defense and views of the Islamofascists?

By the way, thanks for the references.


41 posted on 11/29/2005 12:50:45 PM PST by wolf24
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To: durasell; briansb; MAK1179
Oriana is wrong sometimes, as is any human. But she speaks the truth as she knows it to be. When she sees "evil" she exposes it, no matter who that exposure pisses off. When she loves something, she proclaims that love and attempts to explain the reasons for it.

And at the end of the day, that's all anyone can ask of a reportor, writer or another human being.

And today what matters, regardless of any errors or mistakes she may well have been guilty of in the past... on the topic of Islam and middle eastern politics, this woman knows what she's talking about, feels passionately about her love for the United States and for the need to preserve the tolerant western civilization that allows her to be the atheist she is, to have some self respect and self direction as a woman and to play some part in how she is governed.

The rest of the world would do well to pay some attention to the words she writes.

Sorry, but I have to say it again... God Bless Oriana Fallaci

Cheers,
Lloyd

42 posted on 11/29/2005 12:54:45 PM PST by Lloyd227
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To: durasell

She also confronted the Ayatoilet Khomeini during her interview of him. I don't think the mull-hole saw it coming when he okayed the interview.


43 posted on 11/29/2005 12:54:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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To: dennisw

And they say there's no such thing as "smoker face."


44 posted on 11/29/2005 12:55:36 PM PST by r9etb
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To: wolf24

Good question. R&P is kind of an odd book. It's highly personal. Actually, all of her stuff is very personal. (Letters to an Unborn Child and A Man are really, really personal.) And for the record, she has never claimed to be an impartial journalist.

Probably many conservatives related very strongly to some parts of the book, but disliked others. I can't imagine very many conservatives agree with her that we should have let the Soviets have Afghanistan. So it boils down to a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of logic.

Personally, I think she's great. I don't always agree with her, but ALWAYS walk away from her stuff with lots to think about.


45 posted on 11/29/2005 12:59:20 PM PST by durasell
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To: r9etb

And they say there's no such thing as "smoker face."



That picture is fairly recent. She's in her mid-sixties and terminally ill.


46 posted on 11/29/2005 1:07:25 PM PST by durasell
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To: durasell

"as well as Afghan assistance during the 1980s'

In hindsight was she wrong? I ask this with an open mind. The Bush Doctrine is that realism is a failed policy of expediency that has not led the US or the world to good places.

Further, I am not sure she has the same views on all fronts as she had then.

My understanding of her interview of Kissinger, which was mentioned by Daniel Pipes in his introduction, was that she got him to open up and he made a bit of a fool of himself. That is her talent, getting under the skin of her interviewees.

Pipes also said she was the only one to make Ayatollah Komeini smile. And at the interview she ripped off her Chaldor (head covering). For this alone I respect her.

Fallaci is a Hitchens style ally.


47 posted on 11/29/2005 1:17:49 PM PST by dervish (no excuse s)
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To: durasell
"She's in her mid-sixties and terminally ill."

I think she's more like 75 and not likely to survive the winter.

48 posted on 11/29/2005 1:20:03 PM PST by Lloyd227
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To: SunkenCiv

"She also confronted the Ayatoilet Khomeini during her interview of him."

Right.

ping to #40


49 posted on 11/29/2005 1:20:57 PM PST by dervish (no excuse s)
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To: dervish

The interview with Kissinger is a classic. He planned some pretty interesting mind games with her and she parried. I wouldn't call what he did as making a fool of himself...what he said was something like "Americans like the guy on the white horse. The hero." It's a good interview because you can tell that she respects his intellect -- she viewed him as a "worthy opponent," unlike, say, Arafat. That said, it's still something of a hatchet job. The Komeini interview is just so-so, but I haven't re-read it in 10 years.


50 posted on 11/29/2005 1:37:32 PM PST by durasell
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