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Crips founder gets private clemency hearing (from Scharzenegger)
AP ^ | Nov 28 05 | David Kravetz

Posted on 11/30/2005 2:35:54 PM PST by churchillbuff

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To: Revolting cat!

the last sociopathic hero of the left, Mumia, had a much better case than Tookie. (I think Mumia only murdered one person in cold blood.)
most people who study sociopaths don't believe they can ever become anything like "normal", because they don't have consciences.
actually, tookie himself bothers me less than the creepy hollywood liberals who are trying to get him out. i think one of the guys from the old MASH tv show is helping him.
tookie is about as innocent and reformed as bin laden.


61 posted on 11/30/2005 3:52:33 PM PST by drhogan
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To: churchillbuff
Arnold Schwarzenegger will just be amongst the other molly-coddling, corrupt officials who will side with the other Hollywood assholes to gain popularity points. He is an actor and not a very good one at that. He isn't and never was a politician and should not have been in a position to decide such an important issue. I would be willing to bet if Tookie had killed Arnies' wife and children his decision would be easy. But it involves someones else's loved ones and since he could care less about the common citizens, he will probably let him live at the courtesy of the taxpayers.
62 posted on 11/30/2005 3:53:44 PM PST by WasDougsLamb (I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.)
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To: EdJay

Arnold is a politician, and knows that if he sides with tookie, he will lose all conservative support. he also knows that even if he set tookie free, the liberals would still hate him.
and someone on this thread pointed out that Arnold hasn't let other killers off.
i'm guessing he wants to appear fair and reasonable, but i don't think even hilary would pardon this guy.


63 posted on 11/30/2005 3:56:40 PM PST by drhogan
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To: Wiseghy

But he bragged about the killings on several occasions!I really hope that Arnold does the right thing and doesn't cave in to political expediency.


64 posted on 11/30/2005 4:00:08 PM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Go ask me a question on eBay about Tookie. :)


65 posted on 11/30/2005 4:03:27 PM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: churchillbuff
If Arnold blows this, he can kiss the GOP nomination in 06 goodbye.
66 posted on 11/30/2005 4:52:19 PM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: AmishDude
I dunno, AmishDude. Tookie is a "player". I don't think he has in any way earned millions-of-dollars-per-second free advertising via a "news story". And if it did happen, and say I were in prison for horribly murdering innocent people, I'd begin writing children's books RIGHT NOW.. and looking for a publisher, and an agent.. and a good lawyer ...

Sets a bad precedent.

67 posted on 11/30/2005 5:03:48 PM PST by Alia
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To: BunnySlippers

Thank you for confirming what I thought I knew, too. The headline is wrong. It's says "meeting with Crips Founder".


68 posted on 11/30/2005 5:21:05 PM PST by Alia
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To: kajingawd

YES, it matters that the headline is dead wrong. And NO, I don't think Arnold is a, as you write, "phoquing retard!!!!". Were I in his shoes, I'd be doing the same thing. I'd wanna know how fully stacked the house is. If Tookie does not get clemency, is the entire state going to erupt into an NOI-does-the-CA Cities kinda of thing? Deja Vu LA Riots? I'd want to ask questions.


69 posted on 11/30/2005 5:24:39 PM PST by Alia
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To: EdJay
"So many folks so quick to jump the gun on this one! I won't criticize Schwarzenegger until after he makes his decision & after I read his statement for his reasoning (I assume he'll issue one either way)."

Very good point. Either way this guy will not be departing prison.

70 posted on 11/30/2005 5:25:06 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
I quickly read through the 57 page report prosecutors have prepared for the governator. There is no doubt that this guy is scum and a lying sack of sh*t.

That's way to nice of description for this guy. He's a cold blooded murdering monster. He never gave his victims one single chance.

71 posted on 11/30/2005 5:28:27 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: jw777
They will stab you in the back like they do EVERY SINGLE TIME

Not in this case. Schwarzenegger is one of them.

Schwarzenegger is a liberal. As long as Schwarzenegger continues promoting the same liberal policies that he has for the last two years he will be treated kindly by the Democrats.

72 posted on 11/30/2005 5:42:53 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: rwfromkansas

The problem with all lefties is that all they do is 'claim'. They are forever without a shred of fact to back up their assertions. I am of the opinion they aren't worth listening to much less actually addressing.


73 posted on 11/30/2005 5:44:40 PM PST by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: birbear
Image hosted by Photobucket.com do los vegas or tradesports have a line on this yet??? 8^)
74 posted on 11/30/2005 5:47:14 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: Alia

Can't argue with that. I just think he'll snap.


75 posted on 11/30/2005 5:54:51 PM PST by AmishDude (Your corporate slogan could be here! FReepmail me for my confiscatory rates.)
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To: Alia

Do you honestly think that there will be riots if tookie is put to death?...

I heard Wolfie blitzer tonight say that Arnold would be the one who decides if Tookie lives or dies. No, the ones that decided that were the ones that convicted him...Where was Snoop then( mighta been a 7 year old murderer/drug dealer)??? Where was the outrage then??? Give me a break, the media is what is turning this mess into a riot...feeding the fire.

If riots break out because a murderer is put to death in a state where they have the death penalty, i would hope that authorities are ready to take action..and defend your city/state/country from insects that would kill their own and destroy themselves to make a point...and that point would be that someone can commit murder , never admit to killing anyone, find god and write beautiful stories of bubble gum and lollipops and not be held to the harshest laws for for the harshest of crimes...i know i'm babbling, but you should get my point.

Can't go around laws and verdicts everytime you seem fit because of fear that someone might not like that decision...lol


76 posted on 11/30/2005 5:59:14 PM PST by kajingawd (" happy with stone underhead, let Heaven and Earth go about their changes")
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To: jan in Colorado

ping


77 posted on 11/30/2005 6:12:09 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: drhogan
I believe you have hit the nail on the head. I have not had access to the actual evidence only what the MSM has provided; I do not consider them to be a reliable source even when they take a position that I would like to embrace. I enjoy FR but I would dare say the majority of posters to this thread like I have not had access to first hand evidence on which to base this decision. I pray that the convict is executed if the facts indicate that to be the appropriate penalty.
78 posted on 11/30/2005 6:15:28 PM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: churchillbuff

Yesterday on my way home from work I was listening to the John and Ken show on AM 640 KFI Los Angeles.

They were interviewing someone (I forget his name) that was supposed to have been one of the original two co-founders of the Crips in 1968.

He says he is the one who recruited Tookie into the Crips in 1971. That Tookie is not a co-founder or even one of the original Crips. That this is a lie Tookie tells (among many) to create his false bona-fides. He also claims that Tookie, besides being a liar and a cold-blooded murderer, is also a pedophile. He said that the governor should not commute the death sentence. He said Tookie should die.

According to this person, he left the gang after he started working out at Golds gym. That while working at Golds gym he met Arnold who had just won his third (?) Mr. Universe title.

Apparantly, he had been working on helping Tookie with lifting weights as an alternative to gang-banging, and even introduced Tookie to the Governor back in 70-71. But apparantly tookie decided not to continue training with them and six months later was in jail for the murders he now faces death for.

It was a very interesting interview. If this guy is to be believed it further testifies to Tookies duplicity. It also raises some questions as to how it may affect Arnolds thinking concerning a commutation, since he has met Tookie before and was apparantley immpressed with his body-building.


79 posted on 11/30/2005 6:38:02 PM PST by PsyOp (Men easily believe what they want to. – Caesar, De Bello Gallico, III, 18.)
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To: kublia khan
Could you tell us a little about what is in the file you read please?

Sorry, I can't. If I did I'd have to shoot you with a phased-plasma rifle in the forty watt range.

Just kidding! I was referring to the document that has been around that shows what they provided "Ahnold". They redacted the images that they provided him. I think they should have included the close contact shotgun hit pictures showing what this *urd did to those poor people. In fact, I think they should "Tookie TV" that does nothing but show exactly what this devoid did to the people he butchered. This guy used a shotgun and he liked using it. That's as evil and devoid of humanity as it gets!

We need not keep from showing the dead bodies after 9/11 or other grotesque and frightening things done by devoids like this domestic terrorist "Tookie". I'm not saying put it on prime time or throwing it out there all the time. I just mean that when it comes to the capital cases or situations where the devoid has been really bad and then later says they have been reformed, or they say "it was allahs idea" or they have some moron actor helping them we need to show the blood and guts. It's only fair to those that have lost their lives to the evil doers. Show what was done to them.

PS - I've been listening to Larry Elder on the radio for a long time. He's on Hannity and Colmes. I've never seen his face before. I like him and I also like Rev. Jesse Peterson. They happen to be black guys. As a conservative and a Republican I'm very happy these guys exist. Their heads are wired the right way.....

80 posted on 11/30/2005 6:40:29 PM PST by isthisnickcool (America!)
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