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Atheist group wants memorial crosses removed
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | December 2, 2005 | Michael N. Westley

Posted on 12/02/2005 8:53:03 AM PST by West Coast Conservative

A lawsuit filed by the American Atheists in U.S. District Court on Thursday seeks to remove steel crosses that dot roadways throughout Utah and memorialize Utah Highway Patrol troopers who have died in the line of duty.

The suit has drawn harsh reaction from family members of the fallen troopers and promises to be the source of an emotional battle.

The crosses, which stand about 12 feet high and bear the trooper's name and the UHP insignia, were erected starting in 1998 and serve as a memorial for 14 troopers who have died since 1931. About nine of the crosses are on public land and all of them are placed near the spot where the troopers lost their lives.

Plaintiffs Stephen Clark, Michael Rivers and Richard Andrews in conjunction with the American Atheists Inc. also seek to have the UHP symbol removed from the crosses.

"The presence of the UHP logo on a poignant religious symbol is an unconstitutional violation of the United States Constitution. It is government endorsement of religion," said Rivers, Utah director for American Atheists.

The suit names Col. Scott Duncan, superintendent of the UHP; John Njord, executive director of the Utah Department of Transportation; D'Arcy Dixon Pignanelli, executive director of the Department of Administrative Services; and F. Keith Stepan, director of the Division of Facilities Construction and Management Department of Administrative Services.

Rivers said the purpose of the suit is to eliminate religious symbols used by government agencies and placed on government land. American Atheists claim to have a membership of 30 million people. They are not opposed to memorials, just the crosses.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: antiamerican; atheism; atheistagenda; atheists; christianity; cross; lawsuit; leo; memorials; military; pondscum; purge; secularextremists
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1 posted on 12/02/2005 8:53:05 AM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative
This was posted yesterday under a different name...

Atheists File Suit Against UHP Memorial Crosses

2 posted on 12/02/2005 8:55:38 AM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: West Coast Conservative
Well, let's replace it with a symbol of atheism...it's only fair afterall...


3 posted on 12/02/2005 8:55:55 AM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: West Coast Conservative
Rivers said the purpose of the suit is to eliminate religious symbols used by government agencies and placed on government land.

How many markers will have to be replaced in military cemetaries if the desired results of this lawsuit are taken to their logical conclusion?

4 posted on 12/02/2005 8:56:43 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I'm truely amazed at how bored these 'atheist' are...


5 posted on 12/02/2005 8:57:15 AM PST by fhlh (Polls are for strippers and liberal spinsters.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Arlington is next......


6 posted on 12/02/2005 8:58:07 AM PST by Lexington Green (Adapt - Improvise - Overcome)
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To: West Coast Conservative
American Atheists claim to have a membership of 30 million people.

That number is off by about five orders of magnitude.
7 posted on 12/02/2005 8:58:39 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

These athiests should sue to get the crosses and stars of David off the markers at Arlington Cemetery, too. [/sarcasm]


8 posted on 12/02/2005 8:59:07 AM PST by SolidSupplySide
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To: Lexington Green

I think they need to attack Arlington - that should create a firestorm they can't stop!


9 posted on 12/02/2005 9:00:08 AM PST by WeddingPlanner
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To: SolidSupplySide

You say that as if it's not in their plan.


10 posted on 12/02/2005 9:02:28 AM PST by ark_girl
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To: West Coast Conservative

Why would an atheist care about this? If you don't believe, well, you just don't believe.


11 posted on 12/02/2005 9:05:55 AM PST by RexBeach ("The rest of the world is three drinks behind." -Humphrey Bogart)
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To: West Coast Conservative
American Atheists

Let's post THEIR names and faces on the Internet.
Let's let THEM face the heat and deal with the pain and suffering they are inflicting on their fellow Americans.

12 posted on 12/02/2005 9:07:32 AM PST by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
A lawsuit filed by the American Atheists in U.S. District Court on Thursday seeks to remove steel crosses that dot roadways throughout Utah and memorialize Utah Highway Patrol troopers who have died in the line of duty.

Atheists don't believe in Utah Highway Patrol troopers? Hell, we could show them one.

13 posted on 12/02/2005 9:07:34 AM PST by SittinYonder (Flea, feather, bird, egg, nest, twig, branch, limb, tree, and the bog down in the valley - o.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Take 'em all down.

And put up new crosses fifteen feet high.

14 posted on 12/02/2005 9:11:39 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
American Atheists claim to have a membership of 30 million people. They are not opposed to memorials, just the crosses.

I'm opposed to Athiests. Wonder if Christians 150 million strong can have them removed!

15 posted on 12/02/2005 9:12:00 AM PST by Bommer (Serving in the military doesn't excuse you from being an @sshole! Just ask Kerry, McCain, & Murtha!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Why aren't they counter-sued for frivilous lawsuits and fined accordingly. We need to pass a law against such.


16 posted on 12/02/2005 9:18:25 AM PST by BigFinn (A very unpolitically correct MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
American Atheists claim to have a membership of 30 million people

Is this true, Stephen Clark, Michael Rivers and Richard Andrews? Really? Swear to God?

BTW, why doesn't the government just sell the three foot square plot of ground to a private foundation ($1)? ... This way the cross will not be on government land and the atheists can concentrate their attention on more important things ... like the Cub Scout and Brownies pledges which are destroying our country.

17 posted on 12/02/2005 9:18:40 AM PST by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: West Coast Conservative

If an officer's family doesn't want a cross, they shouldn't put up a cross.

If the officer's family DOES want a cross, they should put up a cross.

The people who are offended at seeing crosses should shut up.


18 posted on 12/02/2005 9:18:49 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: starfish923

They're too stupid and evil to feel guilt. Have you seen that guy Newdow? Bill O'Reilly is right, the man is pathologically neurotic. He can't tell right from wrong and literally out of touch with reality.


19 posted on 12/02/2005 9:21:03 AM PST by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: West Coast Conservative
My email to them:
Which religion, exactly, is established or endorsed by putting up crosses with the names of Utah Highway Patrol members who have been killed?

Is Christianity ‘a’ religion? Barth, a seminal reform theologian, says it isn’t. There are many denominations which use the cross as a symbol. Among them are Unitarian Universalists who explicitly deny that any kind of theism is a requirement for membership in their organization.

Consequently a cross does not even necessarily represent theism. So a cross does not intrinsically represent a religion. Therefore it does not intrinsically violate the First Amendment.

It MAY offend you, but there is no amendment protecting one against being offended. If there were, I would invoke it against you.

Your action is incoherent.


20 posted on 12/02/2005 9:22:00 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Allahu Fubar! (with apologies to Sheik Yerbouty))
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