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As a conservative Jew, I used to tell my conservative friends that although liberal Jews hurt our cause here, at least they support Israel. But now I'm starting to even doubt that. Why in the world would Steven Spielberg risk his whole career on making a movie like this? If this movie winds up being what this author says it is, then I wish Spielberg good riddance and hope his career goes down in flames.
1 posted on 12/02/2005 9:49:51 PM PST by Mike10542
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To: Mike10542

I'm afraid the minds of liberal Jews are no different than those of other liberals, filled with the incessant chant: "I hate Bush, I hate Bush, I hate Bush..."


2 posted on 12/02/2005 10:03:22 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: Mike10542
People find ways to believe what they want. I'm sure that left, right, pro-, and anti-Israel ... they will all have their own narrow view of Munich.

Spielberg lost my respect with his treatment of AI, a film that was Stanley Kubrick's child until Steven showed up. It was speculated to be a commentary on Judaism - one that Steven didn't agree with.

4 posted on 12/02/2005 10:15:59 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: Mike10542
As a conservative Jew, I used to tell my conservative friends that although liberal Jews hurt our cause here, at least they support Israel

As a conservative Jew, I can tell you now: liberal Jews are the enemy. The Castro-loving Spielberg is a disgrace. The Christian-bigot Abe Foxman is a despicable cockroach. They hate Israel. They hate America. They seem to hate above all their own Jewishness.

5 posted on 12/02/2005 10:20:30 PM PST by montag813
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I'm not Jewish, so I suppose that I don't really have a dog in this fight, except as a person who wants history reflected accurately, even in films. I'm just really disappointed because I'm a big fan of Australian actor Eric Bana, who has the starring role in this film. I'm probably not going to be able to see this film, though I've been looking forward to it. It might sour me on all subsequent Bana films, which would be truly regrettable. I'm just get so sick of this same template being played out over and over again. Would it really have been so hard to portray the Israeli commandos as righteous defenders of their country? Is it really impossible for anyone in Hollywood to make a film about the Islam's war against the West without it being an automatic indictment against America. I don't mind liberals having their say; it's just sickening that there is never an alternative viewpoint. It appears that the powers that be in Hollywood are the biggest hypocrites around, beating their breasts about their love for diversity while shutting out any alternative viewpoint.


6 posted on 12/02/2005 10:37:20 PM PST by Brandi in AZ
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Something tells me that this is just pre-release hooplah and has nothing to do with the movie. Spielberg is Jewish and is a practicing Jew. He made his wife convert before marrying her. I can't imagine him doing this. I'll wait to see this all for myself.


7 posted on 12/02/2005 10:41:16 PM PST by Hildy (Keyboard warrior princess - typing away for truth, justice and the American way!)
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To: Mike10542

When folks say that because liberal Jews support Israel that it sort of excuses what they do domestically...I just don;t buy it.

Their votes, and cultural and political influence are not offset by supporting Israel no matter how noble that might be if it were accurate.

And while they may claim to support Israel, they sure don't support destroying Israel's enemies like they ought to.


8 posted on 12/02/2005 10:50:02 PM PST by wardaddy (Merry Christmas ya'll)
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"Munich" movie Web site, with trailer:

http://www.munichmovie.com

(The story link includes the line: "...the personal toll this mission of revenge takes on the team and the man who led it." Looks like a real downer...)


9 posted on 12/02/2005 10:51:31 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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ooooh snap! Steven Speilberg, you've been served.


11 posted on 12/02/2005 10:59:09 PM PST by Nipplemancer (Abolish the DEA !)
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To: Mike10542

Spielberg's got enough money to survive anything short of a nuclear attack, but he doesn't have enough to buy back the honor and respect he appears about to sacrifice on the altar of political correctness. The foolish aren't usually rich, but the rich are often foolish.


14 posted on 12/02/2005 11:04:05 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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I want to recommend "Sword Of Gideon" [DVD] (1986), again.
"Plot Outline: Chronicles a Mossad team hand picked to hunt down the terrorists involved in the 1972 Munich Olympic massacre of Israeli athletes."

Starred:
Steven Bauer
Michael York
Rod Steiger
amazon.com/

16 posted on 12/02/2005 11:10:23 PM PST by Daaave (More human, than human®.)
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This anti-Israeli movie will indeed turn out to be Spielberg's downfall, which is pretty amazing, considering Spielberg told people his (now ex-) wife Amy (Irving) was carrying "the next Messiah" while pregnant with their child.


19 posted on 12/02/2005 11:56:27 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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ping


21 posted on 12/03/2005 12:07:18 AM PST by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough become truth to 48% of all Americans (NRA)))
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To: Mike10542
Leave it to modern day Hollywood to take what could be a thrilling and tragic movie, and put their own ignorant spin on it

As for this notion of liberal Jews supporting Israel, that is just not the case.

All over the world right now Israel is under attack, because somewhere along the line it became leftist dogma to side with the Palestinians against Israel.

The fact is that evangelical christians that I know are the best friends to Israel I know of, and even when I differ with them on some issues, I admire their commitment to Israel.

Can someone recommend a good book on this topic? The Munich incident happened wen I was in junior high school, and I remember it well. I would like to learn more about the subsequent hunt for the murderers.

22 posted on 12/03/2005 12:17:54 AM PST by lawnguy (Give me some of your tots!!!)
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I wonder if this movie will be a huge box-office hit like "Amistad". /sarcasm off/.

I'm wondering how much money was lost on that movie and how many more of these flops Spielberg, et al can afford before they go broke.

24 posted on 12/03/2005 5:13:20 AM PST by capt. norm (Beware of the "White-Flag Democrats"...we all know who they are.)
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Sight unseen, ..........................

nuff sed

25 posted on 12/03/2005 5:17:42 AM PST by bigsigh
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"...........What I really suspect, Steven, is that you are using Munich as a means of commenting, in your own way, on the situation of the United States in a post-9/11 reality............."

"...........But by setting those concerns against the backdrop of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, you will cleverly sidestep having to contend with the kind of overwhelming backlash you would face if your movie made any direct politically charged controversial statements about America's own current war on terror..........."

Agree 100% with the author's "suspicion" and the 'inference', in the second highlighted point, he's drawing from it.

26 posted on 12/03/2005 5:44:08 AM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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Why in the world would Steven Spielberg risk his whole career on making a movie like this?

Because Spielberg is NOT risking his career. Let's face it. Liberal Jews are generally secularists, whos primary religion is actually liberalism. However, one vestigal part of Judaism they retain is "Jewish guilt." That guilt allows them to believe that Israel and Jews are now the oppressors, and that the poor palis are the oppressed minority who are valiantly fighting back against a mighty and evil opponent (that would be Israel).

Spielberg only needs to satisfy liberal Jews, which claim to speak for all Jews these days.

Mark

27 posted on 12/03/2005 6:05:03 AM PST by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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To: Mike10542

This was a strange time in history. My mother worked for an Egyptian travel agency and then for a Egyptian travel counsel in NYC between 1971 and 72. They used to receive death threats from jewish extremists. My father who worked for radio liberty at the time, was so nervous he finally made her leave their employment.
We ended up going to the Munich olympics that summer...because of the worldwide youth riots in the late 60's early 70, most of us weren't that concerned with violence yet. But Munich proved to be the beginning of the Islamic terrorist movement. I certainly don't recall any anti-jewish feelings at the time. It just seemed that there were extremists on every side.


29 posted on 12/03/2005 9:54:39 AM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...

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30 posted on 12/04/2005 5:42:11 PM PST by SJackson (People have learned from Gaza that resistance succeeds, not smart negotiators., Hassem Darwish)
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No one has seen the movie and already its being criticized. Maybe we should wait.


32 posted on 12/04/2005 6:21:07 PM PST by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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