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Bush Presses Congress on Immigration Plan
AP ^ | 12/03/05 | DEB RIECHMANN

Posted on 12/03/2005 9:06:48 AM PST by ncountylee

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To: Nephi; chronic_loser

What does he care about "losing our republican form of government" ? He figures whatever happens to America and its people he will be el jefe in cheap labor heaven. The world will be his brothel/slave quarters.


101 posted on 12/03/2005 11:26:38 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: EternalVigilance
"The President needs to get on board"

The President will sign and implement the legislation that Congress enacts.

The President will spend the money that Congress appropriates.

102 posted on 12/03/2005 11:26:58 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: conservativecorner
The illegal is what bothers me. I haven't seen any posts trying to isolate and keep all Mexicans out. I do not see how it is wrong to expect people to keep our laws. If I was a Mexican citizen waiting for a visa I would be really upset about line cutters. These are the ones that should get the 6 year work releases IMO. I'm glad they think our country is the greatest place to be but we need to keep it that way. I welcome the one's here legally.
103 posted on 12/03/2005 11:27:06 AM PST by CindyDawg (I always liked Bozo:'))
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To: Sam the Sham
I know you want a Latin American style social order

Just another example of something you think you know that you are clueless about. Please refrain from posting this kind of shit. I want a free America that WELCOMES immigrants and believes the principles of freedom are a blessing to all and will work for all. I think you people who are frightened of the people coming in are responding to the same kind of fears that have always launched arguments against free markets when they perceived them as a threat. It is leftist thinking. You want to argue about THAT, and I am ready to rock. You want to talk about my perceived hatred of my own culture, or wanting feudalism or any other yawlp about my psyche, then it would be better to find a bitchy little clique of teenage girls to argue with about why so and so gets the best dates.

104 posted on 12/03/2005 11:33:12 AM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: CindyDawg
I'm all in favor of legal immigration to this country. We weed out undesirables before they can do harm to our country, but I'm dead set against this Amnesty Plan masquerading as some tough new action by the Federal Government. George Bush has allowed open borders his entire Presidency even after 9/11. That is inexcusable to me because it deals with the security of our nation. There's a little thing called the Constitution that stipulates that we have secure borders, but the Federal Government will not spend the necessary dollars to enforce something laid out in the Constitution. PATHETIC!!
105 posted on 12/03/2005 11:34:37 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: Nephi
You can source all the globalist/biased immigration impact studies you want,

I had no idea that bureau of labor statistics hard data on mean wages was a globalist biased immigration impact study. Thanks for the tip off.

(REMEMBER: "THEY" are everywhere!)

106 posted on 12/03/2005 11:38:17 AM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: ncountylee
Work to change the law, rather than advocate for selective enforcement based upon "social reasons."

I thought that was what Bush was proposing.... "changing the law." Or is it only certain parts of the law? Or is there some sort of sacred order of statute change?

107 posted on 12/03/2005 11:45:51 AM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: chronic_loser

It was you advocating for selective enforcement based upon "social reasons" in your post.


108 posted on 12/03/2005 11:48:23 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Ben Ficklin
The President will sign and implement the legislation that Congress enacts.

The President will spend the money that Congress appropriates.

Of course he will. He doesn't know what a veto pen is...

109 posted on 12/03/2005 11:53:57 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Stop the Bleeding First!!)
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To: chronic_loser

Your desire to reduce the American standard of living to a third world mean level (how dare some American peon challenge the "free market" ?), your argument that the American people have no right to the fruits of their labor (how dare Americans demand such socialistic things as public health service ! Bring back typhus, tuberculosis, and diphteria ! In fact, thanks to your precious illegals diseases are now appearing in this country that only existed in history books.) clearly shows that behind your claptrap about "freedom" is a desire for a society with feudal levels of privilege and inequality. And as I have pointed out feudalism is the logical consequence of libertarianism.


110 posted on 12/03/2005 11:55:14 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: chronic_loser
(REMEMBER: "THEY" are everywhere!)

Yes also remember: They can't keep the trains running on time and they can't keep the public toilets unclogged but they are balls to the wall at being "everywhere".

111 posted on 12/03/2005 11:56:06 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: chronic_loser
" Nevermind that US Bureau of Labor Statistics.....

Yeah, yeah. We still have enough areas doing well to counter the negatives, for now. But you need to look at areas where Illegals are a major portion of the population to see the damage to social services. Kern County Ca. is such a place. Ranks among the worst in health care, schools, crime, unemployment as high as 20% in some areas.

" Tne next lie is that "they are not assimilating..."

Not a lie, only a fool would claim otherwise. The proof is everywhere , if you look and listen.

" The next lie is "they don't pay taxes..."

Of course they pay some. The point is, what they consume in services is MANY times what they put in. Also false, the notion the IRS does nothing in regards to false SS#s used by Illegals. Business are routinely notified of these discrepancies. When confronted the Illegals just move to the next business.

"The next lie is that illegals have a higher crime rate than US citizens..."

Please. Now you have lost all credibility. You are actually claiming that Illegals do not commit crime. LOL!!!

112 posted on 12/03/2005 11:56:33 AM PST by moehoward
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To: EternalVigilance
Of course he will. He doesn't know what a veto pen is...

Let's see: The people of this country elect their congressmen and the congressmen vote for ultimately what winds up on the president's desk.

Then you blame the president for not vetoing what the congress voted for and for not vetoing what the people voted for.

Why should a politician president veto what the people want?

113 posted on 12/03/2005 12:02:40 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

I was merely commenting on his failure to veto even one bill.

There are plenty that he should have vetoed.

Don't you think?

Or do you like so-called CFR, which gutted the First Amendment?

Not even one spending bill you think he should have axed?

Hey, the people elected him, too.

And they expect him to act as a brake on a spendthrift Congress...that's his constitutional duty.


114 posted on 12/03/2005 12:09:13 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Stop the Bleeding First!!)
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To: EternalVigilance
There will be only one bill.

The republicans best get what they can before 2006 and 2008.

115 posted on 12/03/2005 12:10:48 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: ncountylee
It was you advocating for selective enforcement based upon "social reasons" in your post.

The bold was my attempt to be honest in ascribing the original quote (as above) to which I was repsonding by putting it in boldface. Wasn't trying to dodge what you were saying by ascribing it to myself.

I can't see where I have ever argued for "selective enforcement." If we change laws for social reasons (which we do all the time), that is not "selective enforcement." It is simply an acknowledgement of the social reality we have allowed to transpire and/or brought on ourselves.

It is clear that you and a number of freepers do not LIKE that approach. It is not clear as to why you don't like it. It is clear that some here are absolutely mesmerized by the pipe dream of expelling 10 million plus people and building a wall, and won't hear of anything else. No other way to put it but that they are simple dumbasses. Some of them are racist dumbasses. Some are xenophobe (kind of a cultural racism) dumbasses. Some are populist dumbasses (a populist is a blue collar worker with an American flag, a union card, and an economic system of thought that contains varying degrees of Marxism. Most of 'em loved Ross Perot and they all think Pat Buchanan is really cool), but they are all absolutists, and braying dyspeptics ready to fire up the torches and storm the castle on every issue that the RINOs have sold them out on, because idelological purity must be maintained at all costs, and it is better to sink the ship with flags flying than.... blah blah blah.

I have no idea if you are a part of that crowd, but they all seem drawn to the immigrant threads.

116 posted on 12/03/2005 12:12:29 PM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Why should a politician president veto what the people want?

I was merely commenting on his failure to veto even one bill.

When the president and congress are of the same party, you'll see few if any vetoes.

There are plenty that he should have vetoed. Don't you think?

You, myself and most here at FR think that. But unfortunately we're still not a majority.

117 posted on 12/03/2005 12:13:06 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

If it truly is a TEMPORARY guestworker plan that Bush is proposing, and it is enforced, then I will be behind it. My fear is that we will end up with some version of McKennedy, which is by no means temporary.

I hope you are correct, and that this truly is TEMPORARY and not amnesty.


118 posted on 12/03/2005 12:17:41 PM PST by SC33
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To: chronic_loser
Calling all that hold different views than your own "dumbasses" adds little weight to your arguments.

Name calling on FR is never called for. IMHO

119 posted on 12/03/2005 12:19:43 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: SC33
If it truly is a TEMPORARY guestworker plan that Bush is proposing, and it is enforced, then I will be behind it.

Yes. The plan puts the guest workers at the back of the citizenship line.

But enforcement? Problema grande.

120 posted on 12/03/2005 12:25:54 PM PST by FreeReign
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