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Bush Presses Congress on Immigration Plan
AP ^ | 12/03/05 | DEB RIECHMANN

Posted on 12/03/2005 9:06:48 AM PST by ncountylee

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To: Sam the Sham
Your desire to reduce the American standard of living to a third world mean level (how dare some American peon challenge the "free market"

Your premise is the wrong premise. You see, a leftist says that when you bring a free system in contact with a non-free system, or a system that has prospered to a system that has not prospered, that the LOWER SYSTEM PULLS DOWN THE HIGHER. It is a basic premise of leftist thought, predicated on limited resources and a number of other ideas.

One who believes in free markets says that the overall picture is that BOTH economies prosper, and that a vibrant dynamic FREE system of markets lifts up, rather than being pulled down.

The leftist looks and says "fear." The freedom advocate says "opportunity"

The leftist says "their problems will overwhelm us. close the door quick!" Free market advocates say "LOOK at all that untapped potential, and those future millionaires."

The leftist says "protect what you have!" Freedom says "we can all have more, no matter who has what now."

It is really just a matter of how you look at it, and your basic beliefs about the transforming nature of freedom.

121 posted on 12/03/2005 12:26:19 PM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: ncountylee
Calling all that hold different views than your own "dumbasses" adds little weight to your arguments.

Would "intellectually obtuse, ideologically straitjacket, misguided and cranially deficient zealots" sound nicer?

122 posted on 12/03/2005 12:29:02 PM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: FreeReign
When the president and congress are of the same party, you'll see few if any vetoes.

Thinking like that, you'll also get NO spending discipline...which is exactly what we've gotten.

They're supposed to be CO-EQUAL branches, regardless of party.

This President, unfortunately, has side-stepped that duty...spending being the most glaring example of his refusal to reign in a Congress that is spending like drunken sailors.

And on CFR, he deferred to both the Congress AND the Supreme Court!

Sorry, but that was dereliction of his Executive duty.

123 posted on 12/03/2005 12:29:32 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Stop the Bleeding First!!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Thinking like that, you'll also get NO spending discipline...which is exactly what we've gotten.
They're supposed to be CO-EQUAL branches, regardless of party.
This President, unfortunately, has side-stepped that duty...spending being the most glaring example of his refusal to reign in a Congress that is spending like drunken sailors.
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Sorry, but that was dereliction of his Executive duty.

We may not agree on immigration, but it is sure hard to argue with you on that particular post. Does anyone know whatever happened to that line item veto stuff they were supposed to be bringing back up? Reagan really went to bat for that. It would require a constitutional amendment, but it is sorely needed.

124 posted on 12/03/2005 12:37:48 PM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: chronic_loser
Watching California go to two left wing, hardcore abortionists in the US Senate after the 1987 Amnesty is enough for me to want to revoke Kennedy immigrant law of 1965.
These so-called potential millionaires come from a socialistic county, where "luck', or being born to the right (European) family is believed to be the source of wealth.
Keep'em out and keep our county.
125 posted on 12/03/2005 12:46:56 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: investigateworld
Watching California go to two left wing, hardcore abortionists in the US Senate after the 1987 Amnesty is enough for me to want to revoke Kennedy immigrant law of 1965.

Liked Alan Cranston, and Hayakawa did you? That kind of claptrap is just silly. California is and has been a haven for liberal goobs for years. Mexicans have not changed that.

126 posted on 12/03/2005 1:05:44 PM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
The republicans best get what they can before 2006 and 2008.

Obviously you agree that the Republican plan is to turn the country back over to the Democrat party in 2006 and 2008. Yeah, I know that is not what you meant to imply, but it stands to reason.

The self-anointed elites in both parties have the same ultimate goals -- they simply use slightly different campaigns to win political support toward their common goal.

The ultimate goal of both the globalist liberal Democrats and the globalist neo-cons is global communism, wherein a small cadre of self-anointed elites reap the financial and political benefits of a massive underclass of peons with no political or economic means to resist the tyranny. The party that gets us there first obviously gets the choice cuts, but both groups expect to be sitting pretty, relative to the unwashed masses.

The differences in their methods keep the voting population at each others' throats while the plan moves forward without a hitch. The Democrat plan is to disarm the domestic population and expand control outward through management-by-crisis. The neo-con plan is to economically destroy the middle class with a massive influx of third-world worker-bees and the outsourcing of jobs and productive capacity.

The Democrats talk up taxes, gun control, health care, social security, public education, environmentalism, with massive police state powers to enforce their vision. The outward push of their utopian vision necessitates international policing under the auspices of UN peace-keeping.

The neo-cons talk up tax deflection, free trade, nation building, open borders, corporatism, with external military police actions to enforce their vision. The influx of third-world culture and crime into the domestic scene necessitates more militarized domestic police forces.

Either push leads to a globalist two-tiered Hell-on-Earth existence for the majority of the population.

Both are anti-American, anti-Constitution at their core.

127 posted on 12/03/2005 1:06:02 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: meadsjn
"The self-anointed elites"

Spoken like a true populist.

128 posted on 12/03/2005 2:00:50 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: meadsjn
The ultimate goal of both the globalist liberal Democrats and the globalist neo-cons is global communism, wherein a small cadre of self-anointed elites reap the financial and political benefits of a massive underclass of peons with no political or economic means to resist the tyranny.

How is life in your well stocked bunker?

129 posted on 12/03/2005 2:03:34 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: chronic_loser
We could debate all day about the various merits of the Republican Senators from California. The bottom line is the Democrat Party is a natural fit for the Hispanic Culture......
I done door hangers for Republican candidates in Hispanic neighborhoods. More than a few times they screamed 'Diablo' slamming the door after making the Sign of The Cross.
I support Dubya on many issues, but when he joins sides with Big Labor, we separate. And his nephew bad mouthing the US Border Patrol just about did me in. If congress goes Demo in '06, we can point the finger of responsibility at one man. But then look at the P--s poor campaign GHWB ran in '91.
130 posted on 12/03/2005 2:25:37 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; A CA Guy; ...

ping


131 posted on 12/03/2005 3:14:58 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: investigateworld
It's just pathetic, seeing how many Quislings flock to Free Republic.

I'm 100% certain that if the internet had been around in 1940, lots of "Norwegians" (sic) would have been writing posts stating that their countrymen (sic) should welcome their German brothers with open arms.

132 posted on 12/03/2005 3:15:20 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: FreeReign
Yes. The plan puts the guest workers at the back of the citizenship line.

How does one obtain citizenship? Either by birth or naturalization. So a child born in the USA of an illegal or guest worker is at birth a US citizen, thus putting them at the head of the line in front or those who waited patiently outside the country to be admitted

How does one naturalize? By being admitted for permanent residence first. How does one get admitted for permanent residence? By having immediate relatives legally in the USA (including spouse sons & daughters)or adjusting status from another classification such as guest worker, or by winning the green card lottery or waiting long enough to be included in a quota. Another method whereby illegals are on a fast track to citizenship ahead of those who waited to be admited legally.

133 posted on 12/03/2005 3:22:02 PM PST by rolling_stone (Question Authority!)
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


134 posted on 12/03/2005 3:25:31 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: chronic_loser

Just say what you really mean. Anybody that doesn't agree with your grand scheme is dumb as dirt. Oh, and a Marxist.


135 posted on 12/03/2005 3:55:49 PM PST by abigailsmybaby ("This is the sort of English up with which I will not put." Winston Churchill)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I would support a limited guest worker program ONLY if the illegal aliens here go home first, and then reapply to enter the country for a limited time. That said, everyone knows if you leave the illegals already in the country here, then when the six years is up they will not be returning, and THAT IS THE PROBLEM.


136 posted on 12/03/2005 4:11:11 PM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: moehoward
Of course they pay some. The point is, what they consume in services is MANY times what they put in. Also false, the notion the IRS does nothing in regards to false SS#s used by Illegals. Business are routinely notified of these discrepancies. When confronted the Illegals just move to the next business.

Senator Brownback was in a meeting at the White House a couple of months ago, and one of the reports presented stated over 400,000 people in the US have the same SS number...000-00-0000.
137 posted on 12/03/2005 4:39:06 PM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: ncountylee
I hope Congress pushes back with the right answers.

They will if we voters pile on enough pressure to give them the cover they'll need.

138 posted on 12/03/2005 4:42:49 PM PST by Ron H. (Tancredo has been Right all along on securing American borders!)
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To: All
"For illegal immigrants from Mexico, we are working to expand an innovative program called interior repatriation, in which those caught at the border are returned to their hometowns, far from the border -- making it more difficult for them to attempt another crossing," Bush said.

At the time interior repatriation was originally agreed upon between Mexico and us the deal was the "undocumented" immigrant had to agree to being repatriated to the interior and the Mexican government had to verify the "undocumented" immigrant's decision.

So is the President's claim a mite misleading? Or will we do it without asking? Fat chance IMO.

Does expanding the program mean that the "undocumented" immigrants will get round trip tickets? :>)

139 posted on 12/03/2005 5:51:09 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: chronic_loser
Your premise is the wrong premise. You see, a leftist says that when you bring a free system in contact with a non-free system, or a system that has prospered to a system that has not prospered, that the LOWER SYSTEM PULLS DOWN THE HIGHER. It is a basic premise of leftist thought, predicated on limited resources and a number of other ideas.

This is nonsense...It's not a leftist thought...It's the thought of about 80% of Americans whether they be liberal or conservative...

Bush's plan is wide open borders...And when that happens, we'll be flooded with foreigners...Americans won't be able to buy a job...

And as you say in this piece, that's great for some (the illegal mexicans) since it will raise their wages and it's great for others (the people hiring the cheap labor)...Your pipedream will put the screws to the average American...

140 posted on 12/03/2005 5:55:33 PM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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