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The Koran: A New Mein Kampf?
Human Events Online ^ | 07 December 2005 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 12/07/2005 6:01:48 AM PST by unionblue83

Last week in New York Oriana Fallaci said that “the Koran is the Mein Kampf of this movement. The Koran demands the annihilation or subjugation of the other, and wants to substitute totalitarianism for democracy….You will find that all the evil that the sons of Allah commit against themselves and against others is in it."

This statement has caused considerable controversy. Some maintained: “There are moderate Moslems…Tarring the whole religion is counterproductive…If there are no moderate muslims, as Fallaci says, then we are doomed.” But of course, Fallaci did not say that there were no moderate Muslims; she said that there was no moderate Islam. As Ibn Warraq has said, "There may be moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." There are peaceful Muslims who have no intention of working by violent or subversive means to impose Sharia on the West. This does not mitigate the fact that some high-profile moderates, such as Cleveland Imam Fawaz Damra, who signed the recent Fiqh Council of North America's fatwa against terrorism, turned out to be deceivers. Still, to say that the Koran is the Mein Kampf of the jihad movement is not to deny the reality that many, if not most, people who identify themselves as Muslims are primarily interested in living ordinary lives.

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KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizations; islam; koran; waronterror
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Robert Spencer...this guy is good.
1 posted on 12/07/2005 6:01:49 AM PST by unionblue83
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A definite 'keeper'.

Bookmark Bump.

2 posted on 12/07/2005 6:04:31 AM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: unionblue83
Over 100 Koranic verses exhort believers to wage jihad against unbelievers. “When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly” (Koran 47:4). This is emphasized repeatedly. Jews and Christians are among those to be fought: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Koran 9:29).

There is no doubt that Muhammad meant such verses literally. Nonetheless, the fact that warfare against unbelievers is not a twisting of Islam, but the Islamic mainstream, and is repeatedly affirmed in the Koran, Hadith, example of Muhammad, and rulings of every school of Islamic jurisprudence...

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3 posted on 12/07/2005 6:05:50 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: unionblue83

Uh. The Koran pre-dates Mein Kampf.


4 posted on 12/07/2005 6:06:49 AM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: unionblue83

"...... surprisingly large number of Muslims have scant acquaintance with what it actually says. This is common to a degree that may surprise non-Muslims."

Most people probably didn't know what Mein Kampf said either.....


5 posted on 12/07/2005 6:08:58 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: unionblue83
Still, to say that the Koran is the Mein Kampf of the jihad movement is not to deny the reality that many, if not most, people who identify themselves as Muslims are primarily interested in living ordinary lives.

Most Germans who identified themselves as Nazis were primarily interested in living ordinary lives. The problem was with those who took Nazi ideology seriously.

6 posted on 12/07/2005 6:10:11 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan

Ignoring the evil of the system itself is just as dangerous.


7 posted on 12/07/2005 6:12:38 AM PST by unionblue83
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There are moderate Moslems

Really? Name 20.

8 posted on 12/07/2005 6:15:38 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: unionblue83

More like Mein Kampf is the new Koran.


9 posted on 12/07/2005 6:17:09 AM PST by shekkian
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I posted it but that doesn't mean that I agree with that statement. I am not a big believer in moderate Republican, let alone moderate Muslims, if they exist. I'd put them in the Nessie category.


10 posted on 12/07/2005 6:17:16 AM PST by unionblue83
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To: Blood of Tyrants

"Moderate muslim": one who has run out of ammunition.


11 posted on 12/07/2005 6:17:58 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: unionblue83

And my comment was meant to those who made the statment.


12 posted on 12/07/2005 6:20:07 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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Most Germans who identified themselves as Nazis were primarily interested in living ordinary lives. The problem was with those who took Nazi ideology seriously.

And ultimately those who take it seriously will compel the others to do their evil bidding.

13 posted on 12/07/2005 6:20:49 AM PST by dfwgator
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"“There are moderate Moslems…Tarring the whole religion is counterproductive…"

having the opposite opinion is suicidal these days

14 posted on 12/07/2005 6:22:23 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: PeterPrinciple; unionblue83

"... surprisingly large number of Muslims have scant acquaintance with what it actually says. This is common to a degree that may surprise non-Muslims."

There are vast areas of our planet that are nominally muslim culturally but remain illiterate in their own language, let alone classical Arabic.

It has been said that no one can truly know the Koran, and therefore know the true word of God, unless he can read Arabic.

I would be interested to know what percentage of the world's self-proclaimed muslims have actually read the Koran, in Arabic. Start there. Then how many of that fraction also are familiar with the Hadith...?



15 posted on 12/07/2005 6:23:18 AM PST by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: unionblue83
Some maintained: “There are moderate Moslems…Tarring the whole religion is counterproductive…If there are no moderate muslims, as Fallaci says, then we are doomed.”

Actually, it would be much more accurate to say that if there are no moderate Muslims, then Islam is doomed.

Islam cannot destroy the West unless we let it. The West, or the US by itself, could utterly destroy Islam in a few hours.

16 posted on 12/07/2005 6:25:04 AM PST by Restorer (We don't really disagree with Islamists. They want to die. We want to kill them.)
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To: Gefreiter

I would be interested to know what percentage of the world's self-proclaimed muslims have actually read the Koran, in Arabic.

How many Christians actually read the Bible?


17 posted on 12/07/2005 6:25:22 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: unionblue83

Islam, religion of death, opression and savagery.

To find out the truth about islam, read The Flanstein

http://flanstein.blogspot.com


18 posted on 12/07/2005 6:26:00 AM PST by Dr. Luv (QQ)
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To: unionblue83
Robert Spencer calling others Nazis.

That's rich LOL!

19 posted on 12/07/2005 6:27:31 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: unionblue83

Michael Graham got fired for saying exactly what Fallaci is lauded for saying.

At least it's being said.


20 posted on 12/07/2005 6:27:33 AM PST by wouldntbprudent
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