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Former Greenpeace Co-Founder Praises US for Rejecting Kyoto
CNSNews.com ^ | 12/08/2005 | By Marc Morano

Posted on 12/09/2005 7:11:07 AM PST by oxcart

Montreal (CNSNews.com) - A founding member of Greenpeace, who left the organization because he viewed it as too radical, praised the United States for refusing to ratify the Kyoto Protocol.

"At least the [United] States is honest. [The U.S.] said, 'No we are not going to sign that thing (Kyoto) because we can't do that,'" said Patrick Moore, who is attending the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Montreal.

Moore noted that many of the industrialized nations that ratified the treaty limiting greenhouse gas emissions are now failing to comply with those emission limits. Moore, who currently heads the Canadian-based environmental advocacy group Greenspirit Strategies helped found both Greenpeace in 1971 and Greenpeace International in 1979.

"Canada signed [Kyoto] and said, 'Oh yeah, we can do that,' and then it merrily goes on its way to increase CO2 (carbon dioxide) emissions by even more than the U.S.," Moore told Cybercast News Service.

Other industrialized nations -- including Japan and at least 11 of the 15 European Union nations that ratified Kyoto -- are struggling to meet their emission targets.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; environuts; globalwarminghoax; greenpeace; greens; greenspirit; kyoto; patrickmoore; un
A very sprising smack down of loony environuts!
1 posted on 12/09/2005 7:11:07 AM PST by oxcart
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To: oxcart

Former...co-founder? They mean that he went back in time and un-co-founded it?.......


2 posted on 12/09/2005 7:12:43 AM PST by Red Badger (Dan rather didn't say "Courage", he said "Couric"..................)
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To: oxcart

Typical liberal behavior rooted in the idea the intentions trump actions.


3 posted on 12/09/2005 7:12:47 AM PST by RobFromGa (Polls are for people who can't think for themselves.)
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To: oxcart

I have noticed many founding members of current left wing moonbat organizations are commonly more sensible people who's original intent for their organization were hijacked.


4 posted on 12/09/2005 7:14:11 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: oxcart

You want to see a smack down of the environMentals? Read Michael Crichton's book State of Fear (published in 2004).

Mr. Crichton HOSES the environmental movement, stem to stern, and does it using their own 'science'. He shows the results of crazy and dangerous 'ideals' espoused from these leftists.

It also provideds an excellent, exciting story in which the US battles the ELF-crazies in their efforts to 'force' environmental disasters as a means to bolster their stupidity.


5 posted on 12/09/2005 7:15:52 AM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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To: oxcart

I posted an article yesterday about this conference and this guy had good things to say about nuclear power. Here's the link.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1536591/posts


6 posted on 12/09/2005 7:19:25 AM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: wvobiwan

Bet you won't see THIS book made into a movie, like so many of Michael Crichton's other books. It really rips the facade off of the 'greenies', shows them for the greedy, hypocritical simpletons they are. It especially reams Hollywood types who don't know the first thing about the 'science' they spout.


7 posted on 12/09/2005 7:20:43 AM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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To: oxcart
Moore has a website that's worth bumping. He's still a bit greeny overall, but has clearly had an epiphany regarding the entenable lying of the Left.
8 posted on 12/09/2005 7:22:49 AM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: oxcart

His website...

Environmentalisn for the 21st Century

http://www.greenspirit.com/home.cfm


9 posted on 12/09/2005 7:24:51 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: oxcart
""I think this whole Kyoto process is a colossal waste of time and money," said Moore, who rejects alarmist predictions of human-caused 'global warming." ..."The Left figures it owns the environmental movement and that has corrupted the movement greatly," Moore said. "The [left-wing] influence has brought great dysfunction into the environmental movement. [It's turned it into] an elitist movement.""

Unfortunately he is not in the organization anymore, but it is good that he is a sane voice in Montreal. He goes very far in exposing Greenpeace to be the lib. cancer riddled beyond saving and to a lesser extent the Kyoto was and is a socialist intent of income redistribution. Gee I wonder why none of this is broadcast by the MSM?

10 posted on 12/09/2005 7:25:56 AM PST by libill (Socialism is Communism with a happy face)
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To: libill

It doesn't fit their agenda.


11 posted on 12/09/2005 7:29:52 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Red Badger
Former...co-founder? They mean that he went back in time and un-co-founded it?.......
Good catch.
12 posted on 12/09/2005 7:29:56 AM PST by samtheman
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To: oxcart

Something I like to point out to my liberal relatives.

Up untill the 70s the oil, gas, and coal industries were real slobs with the environment. After that they recognized that there was some real value in environmental reclaimation. They began to fix the messes they made and they made less messes. It wasn't long before competing reclaimation companies began to grow. These days the reclaimation industry is a multy billion dollar industry.

If you look at ANWAR you will see that the footprint needed for drilling is a tiny fraction of what the oil companies would have needed 30 years ago. The early environmentalists were right about a lot of things and they were'nt the anti capitalists who call themselves environmentalists today.


13 posted on 12/09/2005 7:32:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: wvobiwan
A really interesting idea in his book is that any scientist or organization that disputes the greenies position is labled a tool of the energy industry.

I've been noticing this since I read the book and every time someone disagrees with the enviro moonbats, the journalist is sure to put something in the story stating that exact thing.

14 posted on 12/09/2005 7:32:24 AM PST by tjg (My spelling is horrible, but I'm too lazy to fix it.)
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To: oxcart

ping


15 posted on 12/09/2005 7:53:04 AM PST by ocr1
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To: wvobiwan

The footnotes in State of Fear are almost as interesting as the book - if you get a chance those are a real eye opener.


16 posted on 12/09/2005 7:57:41 AM PST by xcullen
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To: oxcart
"Canada signed [Kyoto] and said, 'Oh yeah, we can do that,' and then it merrily goes on its way to increase CO2 (carbon dioxide) emissions by even more than the U.S.,"

And we'd have more of this if the world were ruled by the United Nations.

17 posted on 12/09/2005 8:31:17 AM PST by GVnana (Former Alias: GVgirl)
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To: oxcart

I bet this guy won't be invited to any more cocktail parties.


18 posted on 12/09/2005 8:42:29 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: wvobiwan
I just finished the book. Very entertaining fiction combined with good factual data that rips the claims of the environmental movement and exposes their fear-mongering. A must read!
19 posted on 12/09/2005 9:19:00 AM PST by rockthecasbah (4th & 9. 1:32 left in the 4th quarter. Down by 3 at Notre Dame. No problem. Fight on!)
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To: wvobiwan
I thought that the Hollywood character, Ted Bradley, met an appropriate, if not horrifying, end. Crichton shows no mercy to the Hollywood idiots!
20 posted on 12/09/2005 9:22:05 AM PST by rockthecasbah (4th & 9. 1:32 left in the 4th quarter. Down by 3 at Notre Dame. No problem. Fight on!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I bet this guy won't be invited to any more cocktail parties.

Thats putting it nicely.

He gets a boatload of death threats every day.

The hate mail he gets would sink a ship.

21 posted on 12/09/2005 10:00:31 AM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: wvobiwan
State of Fear is the most heavily footnoted science fiction book I've ever read. The web links he provides are absolutely priceless to anyone who wants to argue the case against global warming. He destroys the greens.

Of course, I'm in the camp that actually believes that global warming is real AND manmade. I also believe that we are several hundred years overdue for a new ice age and that global warming is the only thing keeping the glaciers at bay. So I say "throw another log on the fire!"

I would recommend anyone who enjoyed State of Fear should also read Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle and Michael Flynn's book Fallen Angels (available for free download as an ebook from the Baen free library). More "out there" SF than Crichton's book (not that much) and a lot more tongue in cheek (everything is William Proxmire's fault), but very much on the same line. Fun read and IT'S FREE!!!!

22 posted on 12/09/2005 10:18:28 AM PST by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: oxcart

Surprising indeed! I know I was!


23 posted on 12/09/2005 1:01:56 PM PST by FeeinTennessee (http://hometown.aol.com/feereports/feepolitics.html)
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To: Phsstpok

I enjoyed Fallen Angels quite a bit. It was kind of silly, but very funny. And made good points, of course! I agree that it was a good read.


24 posted on 12/09/2005 1:55:08 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: oxcart

The Serria Club was strongly pro-nuclear power until the late 60s/early 70s when the radical leftists totally hijacked the organization.


25 posted on 12/09/2005 2:06:12 PM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Sam Cree

Niven and Pournelle auctioned off the identities of certain characters at SF conventions for charity. Most of the really "colorful" characters, including the very real guy who had his own ICBM (he really did, though the state of the thing was about as described in the book) were very real.

Well, kinda ;^>

But remember, Yngvi really is a louse


26 posted on 12/09/2005 3:07:41 PM PST by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: cripplecreek
Up untill the 70s the oil, gas, and coal industries were real slobs with the environment. After that they recognized that there was some real value in environmental reclaimation. They began to fix the messes they made and they made less messes. It wasn't long before competing reclaimation companies began to grow. These days the reclaimation industry is a multy billion dollar industry.

It saves so much $$ for them to be clean. When the left starts whining about oil spills, they make it seem as though these companies are out to deliberately pollute. "Ugh, these sick capitalist pigs don't care, bla bla bla..." I like to challenge with, why would these 'capitalist pigs' like this? The bottom line to them is the bottom line. Do you think that they like spending money, i.e. losing profits, to clean this up? The response is usually more jibberish. They seem to get very upset that the company won't have a spokesperson on TV, getting all emotional and whimpering about 'The earth is our mother and provider, we feel (sigh) sooooo bad about this'. I tell them they are simply being professional. Pollution, spills, etc cost lots of money to fix. Capitalism by its very nature forces efficiency, i.e. "Clean Technology".

If you look at ANWAR you will see that the footprint needed for drilling is a tiny fraction of what the oil companies would have needed 30 years ago. The early environmentalists were right about a lot of things and they were'nt the anti capitalists who call themselves environmentalists today.

Look at any enviromental protest today. You see far more anti-capitalist/Bush/American rhetoric and signs than you do pro-environment. That is all it has turned into is socialism cloaked as being good for the environment. No socialist economy as efficient as a capitalist economy, even remotely, yet this never seems to register with these idiots.

I can respect some peoples (read: not the socialist wacko's) opposition to the ANWR debate given that it is a national park/refuge. I tend to support it, but I also support parks and rec areas that are off-limits. But most people that I meet who oppose it, always go off on the alt-fuel rant and how the govt should fund it. My officemate at school is a prime example, yet her PhD is sponsored by an oil company and the end result of her research is a more wear resistant metal coating that will enhance oil extraction. Why she is not working on alt-fuels, beyone me.....
27 posted on 12/09/2005 8:00:53 PM PST by proud_yank (Experience Tolerance: tell a liberal you own guns and drive an SUV!)
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To: wvobiwan; tjg; rockthecasbah; Phsstpok

Maybe Mel Gibson will make (or finance) the movie!


28 posted on 01/13/2006 5:31:05 PM PST by ChessExpert (Kerry's legacy: Pol Pot)
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To: ChessExpert; wvobiwan; tjg; rockthecasbah

State of Fear would make a great movie, but it would need some serious... pruning... shall we say. There is an amazing amount of data backing up the factual presentation of his premise, but there are BIG problems with the plot.

I would love someone like Gibson to tackle it, but of course he's already dealt with factual innacuracies in a movie of his (the babe in Braveheart William Wallace supposedly impregnated was 5 when Wallace died, for example). Dramatic license covers all. Think of anything out of Hollywierd this last year, such as Syriana or Goodnight and Good Luck. Both 100% BS, but "it's the throught that counts."


29 posted on 01/13/2006 5:51:04 PM PST by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: smith288
I have noticed many founding members of current left wing moonbat organizations are commonly more sensible people who's original intent for their organization were hijacked.

Excellent Post. Bears repeating.

30 posted on 01/13/2006 5:53:36 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: StAnDeliver
Being a greeny isn't necessarily bad or wrong. I mean, who doesn't want cleaner air and water?

The difference is truth-telling regarding the actual goals of the organization: Clean air and water, so to speak, or socialist control of everyone else's behavior.

In fact, I'm a bit of a greenie myself. I hate it when open spaces get filled up with houses and people toss trash out of their cars. I hate smog. My solution is to live in a place that has wide open spaces, clean air...and litterers are the dregs of society and called on it. I leave cleaning up other parts of the country to those who have soiled their own nests.
31 posted on 01/13/2006 5:57:40 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: Phsstpok

"Dramatic license covers all"

I think that's Oliver Stone's tag line!


32 posted on 01/16/2006 11:37:01 AM PST by rockthecasbah (4th & 9. 1:32 left in the 4th quarter. Down by 3 at Notre Dame. No problem. Fight on!)
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To: oxcart

ping


33 posted on 01/22/2006 6:42:10 AM PST by Mercat (sometimes God calms the storm, sometimes he lets the storm rage and calms the child)
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Leader of Sierra Club Killed by Lightning
The Albuquerque Journal | August 3, 2004 | Tania Soussan
Posted on 08/03/2004 10:00:57 AM EDT by CedarDave
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1184049/posts

Mary Wiper, the leader of the Sierra Club in New Mexico, died Sunday after being struck by lightning while hiking with friends in Breckenridge, Colo.

“This accident— it’s just about as random as anything nature can serve up,” said Lawson LeGate, the senior Southwest region representative for the Sierra Club and Wiper’s boss. Wiper, 28, and two others were struck during a thunderstorm. The other two regained consciousness but were unable to revive Wiper.


34 posted on 09/29/2007 5:27:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, September 27, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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