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Exclusive: Sen. Allen Withdraws 'Hate Crimes' Support (Shades of John Kerry?)
CNS ^ | 12/9/05

Posted on 12/09/2005 11:52:02 AM PST by areafiftyone

(CNSNews.com) - Republican U.S. Sen. George Allen will no longer support "hate crimes" legislation that includes "sexual orientation" as a protected status, even if the proposal is identical to a bill he voted for in 2004. The Virginia senator acknowledged Friday that such legislation could be used by federal courts to extend civil rights protections to homosexuals and to squelch free speech.

"Senator Allen is going to vote against adding 'sexual orientation' to federal 'hate crimes' laws," Mike Thomas, Allen's state director, told Cybercast News Service Friday.

Thomas said Allen has two serious concerns after monitoring how the federal courts have applied similar laws.

"The first is, he feels that those changes to hate crimes laws could have a chilling effect on First Amendment rights," Thomas said.

"Secondly - even though he doesn't feel that the legislation that was voted on in 2004, in and of itself, would elevate 'sexual orientation' to civil rights status - it's becoming clear that there are some courts that would use that as a building block toward civil rights status, which he is opposed to."

Joe Glover, president of the Family Policy Network, shares Allen's concerns.

"These are the warnings that the pro-family groups ... have been making for years to politicians like George Allen," Glover told Cybercast News Service. "We're just happy that George Allen has seen it, now that it's actually coming to fruition, before it's too late."

Both Glover and Thomas referenced an October 2004 incident in Philadelphia where a group of Christians were arrested and each faced 47 years in jail for publicly reading Bible verses condemning homosexual behavior during the city's "Outfest," a "gay pride" celebration.

"He's seen religious liberties being threatened in Philadelphia," Glover said, "because of a 'hate crimes' law there that includes 'sexual orientation.'"

There are other cases as well, Thomas said. "There are indications that the courts are willing to use 'hate crimes' statutes to go after free speech and that is of great concern to Senator Allen," he said.

Glover had previously criticized Allen for what pro-family advocates saw as a reversal on this issue. As Cybercast News Service previously reported that Allen wrote supporters during his 2000 Senate campaign, telling them that he would "take no action that would have the effect of elevating sexual orientation to civil rights status including, but not limited to, adding sexual orientation to Federal Hate Crimes legislation or any other similar legislation."

Allen denied changing his position when he voted in favor of a 2004 bill that included "sexual orientation" as a protected class, because he believed, at that time, that the law would not provide civil rights protections to homosexuals. Thomas said it is now the potential effect of the legislation, not the senator's position that has changed.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 109th; allen2008; firstamendment; georgeallen; homosexualagenda; thoughtpolice
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
It looks to me like he just became more aware of the true meaning and ramifications of the bill. He was then willing to change his vote to meet reality. Honestly, I do not think this is the same thing as Kerry at all. He voted for it when he viewed it as limited (he was lied to by the bill's proponents). It's too bad he fell for this legal loophole building block bill in the first place, but at least he has been willing to see the truth and change his vote accordingly. Good for him.

I'm with you. This is very good news. Whatever the reason -- initial bad consultant advice, bad judgment or some other reason, I'm glad he's come around. I like George Allen and was hoping to be able to support him. His former position on this bill had me deeply troubled. I was looking at Senator Brownback for the primary. I'm happily back in the Allen 2008 camp!

41 posted on 12/09/2005 3:59:43 PM PST by Ligeia (Merry Christmas, everyone!)
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To: Corin Stormhands
George Allen ping!

One of the highlights of Senator Allen's Asia trip was the
opportunity to meet and thank some of our American troops
stationed in Pakistan on November 20th. "Our men and women
deployed there are greatly appreciated by earthquake
ravaged Pakistanis," Allen said.

Senator George Allen

42 posted on 12/09/2005 4:06:11 PM PST by Ligeia (Merry Christmas, everyone!)
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To: Ligeia

I still really like Brownback, but I need to see the primary debate before I decide anything.


43 posted on 12/09/2005 4:15:41 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Exalt the Lord our God, and worship at His footstool; He is holy. Ps 99:5)
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To: areafiftyone; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Mudboy Slim; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; ...
Now you can truly say I voted for it before I voted against it. LOL

ha ha ha very funny...

But here's the thing you and a whole passel of other FReepers need to know and understand about George Allen. He loves the whole process of the debate. He will work on an issue and think it through. If he then later sees that he was wrong, he'll change/adjust his position.

That's going to get him in ~trouble~ with FReepers who think everything lives and dies by the "conservative" playbook. George Allen isn't going to fit that mold.

What baffles me the most is that FReepers who think they're influential want their politicians to change their positions.

And when the politicians actually do see things their way, that's not good enough.

It boggles the mind.

44 posted on 05/14/2006 7:14:27 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Yep. Ain't politics fun?


45 posted on 05/15/2006 3:00:41 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Corin Stormhands

See the new NJ insider poll?


46 posted on 05/15/2006 7:47:55 PM PDT by SDGOP
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